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    On the basis that there is internal/external perspective and internal/external judgment and we got the lead/program, creative and demonstrative which we actively will. But the fourth of them is the ignoring, or observing as some want to call it, is the point which we lack.

    We lack:

    Internal judgement: LSE, ESE, EIE, LIE.
    External judgement: LSI, ESI, LII, EII.
    Internal perception: IEE, SEE, SLE, ILE.
    External perception: ILI, SEI, IEI, SLI.


    Why is this point important?

    When you look how a person is dealing with daily business you can see how they are lagging on some areas. In these areas they/we do it as an afterthought and not in the present. It is important if to understand type.


    Do we fail at life in these areas?

    No, we just do it as an afterthought and not in the present moment.

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    Can you please give some everyday examples here?

    Also what do you mean by 'external judgement' in this context?
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    Honestly, I think subtypes would also affect it, as in, for producing subtypes you'd have to switch all the judgement and perception ones since producing subtypes tend to have decent suggestives but awful PoLRs.

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    I'm producing subtype LII, and I think my external judgement is likely better than my external perception. Still waiting for some everyday examples to see if my own judgement about this is right.
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    Holds true for me as LIE. Any kind of personal internal judment about an external event I tend to regard as completely unsubstantiated.
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    I lack both the interpersonal prowess of Fi and the magical logicks of Ti so I got a pretty shitty deal.

    I don't doubt my perception of the inner or outer world by an iota. It's mainly my judgment, especially in external reality.

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    Well I definitely lack external perception the most out of the four so seems right for me!

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    I took the general message of what you say is that we should all be nicer to everybody's flaws- because you can't help the way your brain was made or something- and in theory I could maybe jump in on that, but it is frustrating for other people when I attempt Te/Ti/Se/Si stuff, it's sluggish/slow and awkward and at the same time I roll my eyes at how unethical everybody else is and how they are not as righteous or good/pure/shiny as me and how their lack of Fe/Ni/Fi sometimes Ne failed in that situation. etc. with ESEs, I notice how they are using 'too much Fe' or putting the wrong emphasis on it. Nobody listens to each other, because we all think we are right and have the best answer.

    And I feel like I shouldn't have to coddle people all the time to basically show more optimism and light hearted ness and be more Fe/playful and to not talk about grimdark serial killers 24/7 or something? (lol the other day this woman thought I was doing an impression of some killer she knew on a tv show but I was just literally fixing my hat...) or whatever the logical type is doing... and likewise they don't wanna baby me all day about my Te polr stuff. UNLESS THEY ARE MY DUAL. /swoons with maritsa.

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    Well I guess this can explain why you seek it (dual seeking function)
    For example ILI lacks Ne so they seek Se

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    [QUOTE=DBlackGold;1161819]ILI doesn't lack Ne, they just don't like it/QUOTE]

    well according to the OP theory ILI lacks external perception because they have Ne ignoring

    I'm lacking love...type me.

    Ah, I see, it's polr ethics >[


    No it just means you are perfectly fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullets View Post
    I took the general message of what you say is that we should all be nicer to everybody's flaws- because you can't help the way your brain was made or something- and in theory I could maybe jump in on that, but it is frustrating for other people when I attempt Te/Ti/Se/Si stuff, it's sluggish/slow and awkward and at the same time I roll my eyes at how unethical everybody else is and how they are not as righteous or good/pure/shiny as me and how their lack of Fe/Ni/Fi sometimes Ne failed in that situation. etc. with ESEs, I notice how they are using 'too much Fe' or putting the wrong emphasis on it. Nobody listens to each other, because we all think we are right and have the best answer.

    And I feel like I shouldn't have to coddle people all the time to basically show more optimism and light hearted ness and be more Fe/playful and to not talk about grimdark serial killers 24/7 or something? (lol the other day this woman thought I was doing an impression of some killer she knew on a tv show but I was just literally fixing my hat...) or whatever the logical type is doing... and likewise they don't wanna baby me all day about my Te polr stuff. UNLESS THEY ARE MY DUAL. /swoons with maritsa.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    External judgement because I was trying so hard this weekend to decide which eyeshadow palette to get my sister for xmass and with so many choices how can one decide so I asked an LSE and he decided the one saying "those colors don't appear in the other ones and look more wearable "
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    How does IEE lack internal perception, more specifically? I am drawing a blank (maybe because I lack internal perception?)
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    @Eliza Thomason I just reread and the OP thinks the ignoring function is weak, when actually it's strong, and people just don't care about it as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    @Eliza Thomason I just reread and the OP thinks the ignoring function is weak, when actually it's strong, and people just don't care about it as much.
    You are obviously trolling! ;p Well, it is not weak and you can not really assign that term here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbrannte View Post
    @Eliza Thomason I just reread and the OP thinks the ignoring function is weak, when actually it's strong, and people just don't care about it as much.
    Ah, I see. (I do not understand ignoring function enough to make an intelligent comment here.)
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
    by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
    attitude acceptable to today's standards."
    - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder View Post
    You are obviously trolling! ;p Well, it is not weak and you can not really assign that term here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerfadder
    But the fourth of them is the ignoring, or observing as some want to call it, is the point which we lack.


    The ignoring function is usually described as something so obvious people don't see a need to focus on it, not something people lack.

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