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    Anne Clark, musician, singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist, also known as St. Vincent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Vincent_(musician)

    For all her onstage virtuosic flair — which existed in the form of stage dives long before she added modern dance and a giant pink throne — matching the words "extrovert" and "Annie Clark" feels a bit odd. Though she's played music for at least a decade, first as a touring member of the Polyphonic Spree and in Sufjan Stevens's band, then as a solo artist, St. Vincent has managed to craft a public image that is eloquent, thoughtful, and has virtually nothing to do with her personal life as Annie Clark. Questions from the press about her family — she grew up Catholic in Dallas as one of eight children, and has lived in the East Village for much of her career — or her friends or who she dates are shut down or nimbly redirected toward more "interesting" conversation; rarely do St. Vincent Q&As broach topics beyond her creative process, her gear (her signature axe is a Harmony Bobkat), or her artistic pursuits. She sticks to many of the same lines of dialogue in interviews (which explains why almost every feature about St. Vincent reads the same). Small personal details are pieced together over time, of course, but unlike many artists of her caliber, she's created an anti-cult of personality, a media-savvy mystery determined to keep all eyes on the art instead of the artist.
    When I suggest to David Byrne over email that Clark is a private person, his first response is, "Ha ha, that's an understatement."

    "Despite having toured with her for almost a year I don't think I know her much better, at least not on a personal level," he writes. "We're more relaxed and comfortable around each other, for sure. You could call it privacy, or mystery or whatever — I know a few isolated things about her upbringing, school, and her musical likes and dislikes — but it's nice that there are always surprises, too. Mystery is not a bad thing for a beautiful, talented young woman (or man) to embrace. And she does it without seeming to be standoffish or distant."
    That talent for controlling her own narrative without alienating anybody has become, more or less, the crux of her essence and success as St. Vincent. In 2009, Clark told the New York Times that she likes "things that are unsettling." Every subsequent profile, it seems, has extolled her ability to straddle two distinct identities, one warm and one profoundly unknowable. Her lyrics flirt with the candid and the esoteric without committing to either; a review of Strange Mercy lauded its "emotions that are as cryptic as they are genuine and affecting." She creates a dystopia in the video for "Digital Witness," then films a how-to clip demonstrating a soccer trick she learned in grade school for Rookie, a website for teen girls.
    http://www.villagevoice.com/music/st...-terms-6441057

    In conversation, Clark is a good deal like her music: wry, erudite and free-associative.
    She describes herself as a shy child who suffered anxiety attacks, stemming from what she characterizes as profound existential dread at the "vastness" and chaos of the world. "When I was six or seven, I started to have really intense anxiety, and I didn't have the tools to even know what it was." Such attacks still overcome her, though less often, and she still finds the sensation hard to articulate: "It's always been this little buddy of mine; it informed my entire worldview. There's general anxiety, and then there's panic attacks, where I have really catastrophic thoughts, where I'm not in control." This is where art came in. "When you're forced to deal with something big that you don't understand, you try to find ways to interpret the universe in a way that can make you feel safer or alleviate that crazy. For me, it was music."
    "I was just as into the politics as I was into the music," says Clark, "maybe even more. It was tough and confrontational. Kurt [Cobain] was such a feminist, and the scene was so radical, punk and queer." [...] Since her 2007 debut, St. Vincent's sound has grown bigger, but dread has remained a constant theme. Her recent single "Digital Witness" describes a nightmare world shorn of privacy. Contrasting her solo work with Love This Giant, her horn-splattered album with Byrne, she says, "I love David's absurdist outlook, but I have too much melancholy in my blood to ever be that lighthearted on my own."
    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...ncent-20140623
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    IEI-Ni. Most MBTI communities have her types as INTJ on account of that system's function stacks. While MBTI Ni and socionics Ni are different from one another, I'm inclined to see her as an INxp type in socionics on account of how she communicates with others. Most of her songs have a strange sort of maneuvering to them that indicates strong inner perception and in this case Ni makes most sense over Si on account of the fact that she says she tries to make herself and others uncomfortable. Juxtaposition of something sweet and creepy is something she mentions enjoying (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnVKDEH3i3g). I believe her Fe creative comes through on her videos like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T_6S-leYbg, a song about wanting herself and women in general to stand up to the role of being a cheerleader (basically playing with societal values (Fe) to accomplish something greater (Ni.)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itt0rALeHE8 This video carries a similar theme, and finally in her more recent album (St. Vincent) she shot the incredibly emotionless Digital Witness video (9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVAxUMuhz98) seemingly to demonstrate what an increasingly unemotional world of technology is doing to humanity. Similar ideas can be found in lyrics to songs like Huey Newton where she states: "Feelings, Flash Cards...Fake Knife, Real Ketchup." Her intent seems to be to demonstrate what cold world she fears is coming (Fe + Ni). Her rather restricted emotionality is likely due to her being an enneagram 5w4 type. I don't like arguments for ILI...her perspective seems strong on the future but also optimistic. That said, I see ILI as the second best guess because dominant Ni is so glaringly clear.

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    Gamma NT?

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    Annie Clark - EII?

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    SEI 4w3

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    I like the idea of her as mbti-intj, ILI. I get nerved out that her voice isn’t the Te mouthful of marbles tone like most mbti-intj(and then think mbti-intp?).

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    ILI

    a guitar is like a well-tailored suit
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    and this is a thread with EIE examples

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...s-EIE-examples

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    IDK she always seemed like an ESI. She seems a little too contained for an IEI and too charming for ILI.

    Even though she like unorthodox fashion it's always tasteful and never as garish as a beta NF is.

    Compare her to Aurora or Kate Bush, she is much more put together than them.
    The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.

    The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".

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