YEEEEES. This is purrfect!!! Grey suggests the in between, what's not certain, 50-50 concerns. That's E6, phobic version. And white stands for E5, their nihilistic side.Originally Posted by Attis
YEEEEES. This is purrfect!!! Grey suggests the in between, what's not certain, 50-50 concerns. That's E6, phobic version. And white stands for E5, their nihilistic side.
We should ask each person whose type we're pretty certain of for the color(s) they've been associated with.
3w4 - You know my signature combination, it's black and red. I even intended to have a red username but that was taken for the mods. It's my chat box color since forever though
---> Black for E4. Red's gotta be assertion so E3.
I would actually not associate the colours black and violet/purple with me and most people actually told me they associate caramel or bronze with me, yet I am a type 4w3. Purple is barely available in my wardrobe (I only have a few pieces). I also have black clothes but I do not like goth culture or when people just wear black and white and grey.
My favourite colours actually are brown, bronze, silver, gold, red, mustard, forest green and so on. But I actually like all colours, I actually have a rainbow-coloured dress. Every colour looks good in my opinion and at the right occasion any is wearable.. I just tend to wear some more than others because I think they suit my physical appearance better.
I met quite a few EIEs I would associate with the colour purple as it seems so unsettled, other EIEs I met had something watery almost pigeon-blue-grey about their aura.
SLEs I could see being associated with bright colours like red, orange, yellow, green and sometimes black.
Which colours would you associate with the sociotypes?
Yellow is associated with fear though.
TIL Smurfs are etherial to maniac
Who kneads the dough? Sorry I can't read what's written there it's so bright and happy in here
Now for real. The user with the "FEAR - False Evidence Appearing Real" is the more important insight from there.
As far as I know illness is also a yellow association but green's a close second so you deal with symbolic ambiguities there.
...That is terrifying. You are inadvertently proving me right.
Fear and illness are associated with yellow because it's a lack of vitality (look at scared and sick people). Honestly, I also think that's why it's associated with nice sunny days as a flipside. It's just light without heat (= pure energy, vs. red as dark heat = energy absorbed by matter).
I have been meaning to link this since we briefly talked about auras on discord. I didn't get an aura picture like the one you got but I got an RFI reading done, during a rough time in my life, and it was very accurate at the time. I would have it done again but the person who did it for me is living, part time, in Hawaii. I added the interpretation in a later post in that thread. It didn't paste right here so it might look different than it does in the chakra thread.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
German English Symbolism Purpur Magenta (or purple)
see belowSchön (beautiful) Rot Red Gelbrot Orange Edel (noble) Orange Gelb Yellow Gut (good) Grün Green Nützlich (useful) Blau Blue Gemein (mean, common) Violett Violet Unnöthig (unnecessary) Blaurot
I like this ordering of the colors. It puts the best colors at the top and explains why everyone is so obsessed with blue despite blue generally being pretty boring on jeans and stuff like that. Blue resonates with the average person because it's just the most average color. And aura colors celebrate averageness by wanting everyone to strive for indigo (average bordering on unnecessary).
Also, it explains why I get purple/red auras on tests all the time when those are supposedly all the way away from each other. If they're really opposite, I shouldn't even be able to think about getting both dominant.
I like a lot pastel colors, guess that fits 9 too.
I also like a darker palette of cold tones with 5:
And black and white contrasts with 1 (and 2w1):
How does the German symbolism relate to aura colors or chakras? How does it explain you getting red or purple on a self report test? I don't see your point here since self report tests where you got purple (violet) or red are about less accurate than most typology tests. If you actually have an interest in auras and/or chakras then maybe consult someone to see what colors they see around you instead of just making claims about systems you don't know.
I have never really cared for the colors blue, green or yellow but I can tell you I would not want to see the earth sky, grass or sunflowers any other color because they look beautiful as they are. Some things are just meant to be the colors they are but it doesn't mean I want to see them on my walls or in my decor. Where are you getting that most people strive to be indigo aura color? I have no idea where you are getting your information from. Your chart says Violet is "unnecessary" not indigo btw which is what you got on the aura test.
I don't believe average people like blue because it is an average color. lol It apparently has a calming effect on some people and inspires trust. It is also linked to sadness and truth. Using a country that does not appear to have valued color as much as other countries, where these systems developed, as an example, seems strange to me. It just seems like you want to highlight how German and above the average you are, once again, while making sure you criticize others in the process.
How 8 Colors Got Their Symbolic Meanings
Colors are imbued with great symbolic power. Even in the modern English-speaking world, where superstitious beliefs have largely faded in the light of scientific knowledge, many colors have retained their ancient associations. Most people know that brides should wear white, that "seeing red" means being angry, and that one can feel "green with envy." But learning why these connotations exist requires a look back to the beliefs and practices of the ancients.
https://www.livescience.com/33523-co...-meanings.html
AlsoCultural Color Meanings of Blue
Generally the safest color to use world wide
Western:
- trust and authority
- conservative,
- corporate
- peace and calm
- depression,
- sadness
- "something blue" bridal tradition
- masculine color
- baby boys
Eastern:
- immortality
China:
- immortality
- associated with pornography and 'blue films'
- feminine color
India:
- Lord Krishna
- national sports color
Japan:
- everyday life
Korea:
- color of mourning
Thailand:
- color for Friday
Belgium:
- light blue was traditionally the color for baby girls - now it is more common to use it for baby boys
Cherokees:
- defeat, trouble
Mexico:
- mourning
- trust
- serenity
Iran:
- color of mourning
- heaven and spirituality
- immortality
Israel:
- Coat of Arms
Egypt:
- virtue
- protection - to ward off evil
Middle East:
- protection
Colombia:
- associated with soap
US Politics:
- liberalism
UK & European Politics:
- conservatism
Religious Beliefs in Many Cultures:
- Christianity: Christ's color
- Judaism: holiness
- Hinduism: the color of Krishna
- Catholicism: color of Mary's robe
http://www.empower-yourself-with-color-psychology.com/cultural-color.html
From depression to royalty to trust, blue holds more meanings than any other color around the world.
In Western Cultures, blue is commonly associated with feeling melancholy—hence, having “the blues.” And while that’s true, it’s also considered to be a calming and soothing color that symbolizes trust, security, and authority—a reason why many American banks, such as Citi and Bank of America, use blue for their logo.
Blue is also a symbol of masculinity and represents the birth of a boy—the opposite of China, where blue is considered a feminine color.
In many Middle Eastern countries, blue means safety and protection, and is symbolic of heaven, spirituality, and immortality.
Many religions have their own associations for the color blue as well. For example, in many Latin American countries—which are known to have high Catholic populations— blue is a sign of hope and good health, and is symbolic of Virgin Mary, who is often depicted wearing a blue robe and headscarf, and represents wealth.
In Judaism, blue is the shade for holiness and divinity, and in Hinduism it’s the color of Krishna—the most highly worshipped Hindu god who embodies love and joy, and destroys pain and sin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/smarte...b_9078674.html
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Your test doesn't distinguish violet and purple, and I got purple and red, which is at the top and not the bottom. And I didn't say indigo was unnecessary, I said it was average bordering on unnecessary since it's blue that's right next to violet.
I also don't need your list of associations. For one, baby boys were in pink not very long ago, and before that all babies just wore white. Where are those associations? I know the aura system. It's simplistic and largely says nothing. If what I'm saying's not right, correct it. But the reason symbolism works is that it's connected to experience, as I said, not that it has to be shoved down your throat and taken on blind faith. To see means to understand, and blind faith means not understanding. I was half-joking with my blue is average comment, but blue being relaxing directly relates to it being average. Things being ordinary is a sign of stability, and people tend to find that calming, like smooth sailing. Things that are out-of-the-ordinary are either very good or very bad. That's also why this puts low-frequency colors as "better". When something happens at a lower frequency, that means it's rarer. When something happens at a higher frequency, that means it's more common.When something happens too much, it's unnecessary. But on the other hand, if you want to relate blue to divinity, isn't God omnipresent and eternal? And there's nothing more stable and "average" than that.
On the other hand, aura colors just say everyone needs to go to "high vibrations" and use Isaac Newton's spectrum, but randomly switch violet and indigo because indigo is more typological and people want to feel special or something. And last time I checked, instead of having just Isaac Newton's colors in a reversed order (even Newton would've noticed red on top in a rainbow because he bothered to actually look at rainbows) with two randomly flipped, there are a whole bunch of colors like primrose pink and sea green that sound straight out of Crayola. I'm not sure what else to expect when you try to make spirituality out of consumerism.
Also, my list is just Goethe and Schiller's list. I'd take them as better authorities than people trying to make me take tests to buy crystal "massage sticks" and weird perfume bottles or whatever any day. But you don't even need that when you understand the underlying principles. On the other hand, yours is just rote learning. You have a list of "here's what colors mean". But there's no exploration of principles and very little reference to experience.
Thanks for sharing your belief system of colors in relation to auras but I didn't say you needed my list. It was for others reading your post which was highly biased and shows a lack of understanding of auras, chakras, and color symbolism from other cultures, except German of course but I will have to take your word for that since I have not looked into that culture as much. The symbolism is defined by different systems and different "readers" will interpret the auras and chakras based on their own associations. There is a lot of crossover which makes some association almost universal. Meaning people who have not even heard of this stuff might have a similar interpretation based on their experience.
You can probably google it and give me a somewhat coherent response an hour or two later. You seem intelligent enough. I have shared my experiences all over the forum so no it is not just "rote learning". You have no idea how I learn and process information. What is your experience with colors and aura? Other than reading and memorizing Goethe and Schiller's list and making some associations to Newton. Your assumptions really do irritate me. Do you think I associate blue with God or divinity? I don't personally. I was not raised to make that association. Do I associate it with peace/calm. I kind of do. Looking at the ocean or the sky has always calmed me. So does looking at the stars though.
Those who see auras, whether it is now actually related to synaesthesia or not, will look for explanations in different philosophies and yeah new age systems to understand it. Most do not search back to the roots of it because they are lesser known ideas or people do not see it when they read an ancient text and make that association. I was not satisfied with the information that is out there and kept digging to explain my experiences.
Anyway, I don't have to reinvent the wheel if I quote information that is already out there. If someone is interested in my experiences they can read this thread or one of the others where I talk about it.
Violet aura and Indigo aura colors have delightfully complicated personalities. They are in their heads quite a lot, but differently than other “thinkers”, a purple aura is not always in their head to battle logic and reason using facts and figures. Their minds seem to wander off to somewhere else, often gazing upon what might be coming up, or how to proceed with something going forward.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism...ts/chakras.asp
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Personally, I feel like it's a bit silly to hem an Enneagram type into colours. I try to convey a particular image and set of emotions (which may and do change, depending on my mood) to others through what I wear - but I also have strong aesthetic tastes and simply will not wear some things. I hate all shades of green, as well as yellow, pink and purple. By contrast I love red, black, white and (dark) blue, as well as the shades of cream through to brown.
I like dramatic, intense, bold, powerful and sensual statements that aren't silly or goofy.
Aylen, your color associations aren't universal though. In China, black relates to life and white relates to death, but that's also tied into experience if you've looked at Chinese artwork. Most of the "universality" of associations isn't from some inborn understanding or quality of the colors, but because cultures have actually come into contact with each other a lot and shared a lot over the centuries and it only became fasionable recently to pretend otherwise. Considering you could get around the world in a couple of weeks if it weren't for all those obstacles, that shouldn't be surprising. Also chakras aren't from "other cultures". They're from very specific cultures in India and the Himalayas. It's better for showmanship aimed at people who don't know anything to pretend that they're universal, or that they're the same as Kabbalah, or whatever, but that also just degrades all the systems involved. I'm really quite tired of people pretending their syncretic systems are completely universal. Halos around Jesus and Mary aren't depicting "chi" or "auras," they're depicting divine light. When you pretend there's no difference, you end up with a rather superficial understanding of both systems. And none of it has anything to do with the Egyptian god Ra that the site is named after. It's like a teacher I once had said. Not all religions are the same. There can be similiarities and differences within them, and they can influence each other, but as soon as you say they're all the same, you understand none of them.
The color symbolism I listed isn't "German". Germans have as much color symbolism as anyone else, see this folk song for starters (there's not a translation into English but you can find one somewhere). Your list says Germans have "an aversion to power symbolism" in the form of Nazi swastikas, and seems to strongly imply everyone in the world should put Nazi swastikas (which are distinctly different from any traditional usage of the swastika, and even that tends to be touchy) all over the place because they're powerful or something. It doesn't say Germans don't have color symbolism because they're colorblind like dogs or whatever you think. And aura colors come from Isaac Newton so of course that's relevant.
Also, seeing auras is nothing like synesthesia, and synesthesia isn't some paranormal unexplained phenomenon. I've known people with synesthesia and they're not seeing anything like glowy lights around people correlating with a systematized set of associations. The one who actually had synesthesia for people's personalities actually saw textured materials, like banded metal, rainbow water, black and white speckled plastic, etc. and it wasn't around the person's form at all, nor did it correlate with systematic associations like that. People seeing auras all seem like charlatans or somewhat crazy people to me.
And if you think I have "beliefs" the way you do, you're wrong. I tend to change a significant amount of things I think over the course of just a day, because it's not about fitting my experience into what I think, but aligning what I think with my experience. If I feel like I'm in some sort of profound pain and can't do anything, I might go pick up Boethius or C. S. Lewis or Goethe or Shakespeare or the Bible and just read it. It isn't about what I believe, but just the act of reading it, interacting with it, wanting to cry out if it's stupid or I'm in enough pain or feeling that someone else can relate to my circumstances and my conflict even if they interpret it differently or that no one can relate but now I'm inspired by poetry or stories. If I feel estatic, I tell everyone about it or I go out for a walk and sing and listen to music. I've heard from several different people that having a religion didn't used to be about what you believed, but going to church or the temple and singing, listening to what they say, participating in ceremonies, etc. so when I say things like "my religion is my religion" that I said to maniac a long time ago that's what I mean. I don't live by belief systems. I live by hope and pain and joy and rage and fear and tranquility, and by actions and reactions and the fire of passion and the ice of desolation. And I feel the need to be critical of what you post a lot because it seems like people are taking it as some sort of profound wisdom without criticizing it at all. People already criticize me enough, like in the argument where mu4 says he stands for good food, and I said I'd rather eat good food than stand for it. I don't want people being uncritical of me either, but I feel like wanting to just live and breathe and feel instead of having some sort of philosophy wrapped around you like a security blanket shouldn't be so alien and that makes me sad.
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Wyrd,
You do realize that you are repeating back to me things I quoted in my two previous responses to you, with your own spin on it...that is rhetorical but weird since you didn't quote me. This is going nowhere. Yes you are expressing beliefs as any human being does but if you rather call them heuristics or whatever term you have used before be my guest. I doubt you are qualified in any way to give an educated opinion on synaesthesia but you basically said the same thing I quoted, there is no solid proof ,as of yet. There are still active studies. It is something worth considering if you know the slightest thing about what synaesthesia is. Nice little dig thrown in there at the people on this forum who have said they see auras.
Attachment 11219People seeing auras all seem like charlatans or somewhat crazy people to me.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
How's it weird? You shouldn't have to quote people in every single post you make to be understood.
And also, how can you still not understand what I'm saying?
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1.something believed; an opinion or conviction:a belief that the earth is flat.
2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:a statement unworthy of belief.
3.confidence; faith; trust:a child's belief in his parents.
4.a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith:the Christian belief.
I've said before "Yes, I have things I think are true, and you can call those beliefs, but that's not what I mean..." When people say things like "I believe in Jesus/Buddha/Thor/whatever" they mean they identify with it and wear that around like a badge, like they'd go to the guillotine before they'd recant it because they need something to identify with or they'd die. Whenever someone says "I don't believe in Christianity, I have a personal relationship with Jesus!" people look at them like they're saying nothing or they just want to be cool, but they have a point. It's a fight against this mentality of consumption, even if they don't know how to put it. And doesn't identity tie in with that? Man ist, was man isst. And you just decide you can't understand the difference between a sort of inductive inference like believing the Sun will rise tomorrow, and believing in a whole system of ideas on blind faith and framing yourself around it. You're not going to force me to do the second thing, even if you somehow think you have. Nietzsche had an idea of the Übermensch, but was he the Übermensch? No, and he knew that, and didn't even care. The people who were closest to being the Übermensch didn't even think about that. And there's this dumb argument in philosophy, where people say "I see a tree" should be "I see an image of a tree." No one says that because you don't see an image of a tree, you see a tree. When things are in front of your own eyes, you don't need to blindly believe. But you don't see what's in front of your own eyes. Everything is filtered to you through your belief system, and you can't imagine it'd be any other way for anyone else.
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Wyrd, your quoting definitions that only contradict everything you say here. You are one of the most opinionated people on this forum and that is based on your beliefs. You are the one equating it to some religious idea. If someone tells me they don't believe in christianity but have a personal relationship with Jesus then yes that is still a belief. Perhaps you don't have strong convictions or confidence in your own truth or anything you say which is fine but you sure do believe in your idea that you don't have beliefs.. This is good to know considering that you don't have strong faith in your own ideas, I guess I shouldn't even bother to consider your opinions on anything. Incidentally, why do you still insinuate that you self type EIE and get defensive over something like auras if you don't have your own beliefs regarding them? Don't you get it? When you say something like, you think people who see them are kind of crazy that is your beliefs shining through. For someone with absolutely no beliefs you sure do argue a lot. lol
How many arguments is this one thread alone did you make?
You are just rambling nonsense and weasling as usual but at least they aren't things you actually believe in.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
TIL precise definitions without equivocation = weasling...You are just rambling nonsense and weasling as usual but at least they aren't things you actually believe in.
In other words, 2 + 2 = 5.
Found your identical.
He still has beliefs.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
As I've said before, there's a difference between beliefs like tenets of a dogma, and beliefs like things you think are true and find reasonable to act on. But you can't decide whether I'm "saying the same thing over and over" or "weasling out of what I'm saying" so there's no point in even arguing with you in the first place.Found your identical.
He still has beliefs.
I'm also not joining your little religion that would be based on what's really a physical phenomenon if it happens to be real. If reincarnation were real, it's the entry of the soul or spirit into a different physical body again and again, and "entry" even implies souls or spirits are physical (although not material, like an electric field). If it's a physical phenomenon, it needs to be understood and conquered, not mystified and worshipped. Smash the thrones of the idols! If it's not real, whatever. That really has no bearing on my life so I don't think about it much. Thinking about those things too much is bad for you.
I don't even know what they guy said past the first few seconds or if he is preaching a religion.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Of course you do. It's your reincarnation religion nonsense you always bring up.
I don't even know what they guy said past the first few seconds or if he is preaching a religion.
No, I didn't listen past him saying getting rid of all beliefs. He just reminded me of you preaching the wyrd on no beliefs. Anyway I don't believe in the typical idea of reincarnation either, ftr. I use the term because it is something most people can conceptualize even if they don't believe in it. What I believe would be pretty foreign to you and probably to most who do believe in reincarnation. Don't try to tell me what my beliefs are. It is enough that I can acknowledge they are beliefs and they don't involve a god. Just because something is a belief doesn't mean it isn't true. It seems you just have an aversion to the word "belief". Call it what you want.
So, I listened a couple minutes in and it seems he does believe in reincarnation. That's funny but he does not reflect what I believe. Don't worry, I am not trying to win you over to the darkside. lol
Maybe you are more similar to someone who demands proof of everything, like this guy.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
What's "proof?" It's literally impossible to logically prove everything. It's literally impossible to empirically prove everything too. But things like reincarnation and auras are describing physical phenomena. All the things I've said are in the vein of "There is the music of Bach, therefore there is a God," which I thought was the best "proof" ever years back because of how flagrantly it isn't even trying to be a proof. "There is the music of Bach, therefore there is a God" is still an important idea, and much more important than any "proof of God" because all people's actions are based on feelings at some level. Implying all of people's possible feelings are baseless implies that all of people's possible actions are baseless. That doesn't really leave you with a choice to do much anything at all, including think certain ways, even if it's "logical," because thinking is itself an action. Of course, you can also turn that into "there is Indian classical music, therefore there is a Krishna" or something, which I'm sure is why that isn't used that often as proof by Christian apologists in comparison to the others, but that sentence just shows the essence of what "belief" should be to me, rather than the dogma-shopping most people think of when they say the word "belief". This atheist guy is really just trying to have his cake and eat it too in my opinion.Maybe you are more similar to someone who demands proof of everything, like this guy.
Let's assume auras are real. People don't write 20-minute choral pieces about auras. People don't cry out to auras asking for guidance or stop believing in auras because their existence seems incoherent with the death of a loved one. People don't claim auras told them to write sacred texts or accuse witches of pledging their allegiance to auras. Believing in and obsessing over random unproven or unexplained phenomena is qualitatively not the same as something like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, or even Paganism. Closing your eyes doesn't make things like death and injustice go away. It just also blinds you to love and bliss. In Greece, people took gods for granted, like Christians did with God in the Middle Ages and people in India still do with Hinduism today. But now it's too conscious and too not-acted-upon to be earnest, generally.
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I lost the interpretation part but this is my chakra image result. I have to look for the interpretation now. 
I remember some of it sounded really good. Now I am wondering about the black areas. 
. This counters your point, doesn't it? You're just arguing within your logical system without actually basing it on anything outside of itself, like driftwood at sea. I'd like to see what you're basing it on, becase all the things I'm saying are internally consistent.