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    the fuck.



    EII, ESI, or LSI-Ti ...

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    why did you choose that wierdie avatar ?

    are you a dude or a chick?

    I get a sense of E5 or at least wing to 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber View Post
    the fuck.



    EII, ESI, or LSI-Ti ...
    what on earth seems LSI in this?

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    I’m quite logical, and I can cut the bullshit in an argument. I’m brave (or rude) in a sense that I want everyone to tell the truth, so when someone makes a mistake or something happens which I think is not okay, I will speak. I am not conflict avoidant at all, and I don’t care about if someone is in a higher rank or position. People can have deep conversations with me, and I like helping them and give advices. What I like about myself I’m creative, I think fast, see the logical fallacies easily, I love learning, and often feel inspired. I’m ready to compromise and also try to handle criticism well, and be fair to others. I love my ability to connect to something I’m not sure what it is, but it gives me harmony and thoughts and impressions about how the universe works.

    LSI possible ...strong Ti subtype only ..Se doesn't show except for in an impression of sticking to one's guns/beliefs/arguments. But I don't know enough about OP atm.

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    Could she be LII?

    I can't look at that kitten. It feels like it's sucking the soul out of my body.

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    Hi.
    "If this to end in fire, then we should all burn together. Watch the flames climb higher into the night."

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    Meanwhile I also took the ru.laser.ru test, here are the results:


    Ni: 22
    Ti: 21
    Ne: 20
    Fe and Se: 18
    Si: 14
    Te: 13
    Fi: 11
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    wacey
    : she seems like a person id like to know

    wacey
    : lots of self-knowledge

    wacey
    : reasonable, yet hidden uniquenesses


    "If this to end in fire, then we should all burn together. Watch the flames climb higher into the night."

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    I was catching some Fe/Ti and it seems like you could either be using/appreciating Ne/Ni. Also I did see some Se referenced appreciation/use as well.
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    What interests you about feminism and what sort of aggression do you display?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    What interests you about feminism and what sort of aggression do you display?
    I want to understand how and why the oppression of women began and still exists, as well as I want women and men to be able to be themselves, so they don't have to fit into stereotipical men and women archetypes. What is considered to be masculine/solar and feminine/lunar should work together in a person. Logic, emotions, being strong, brave, being caring etc. If we tear apart these things into "male" and "female" and we keep pushing people to act like they should act according to their gender, they won't be able to live in harmony, be themselves and grow. I think this is also why a lot of people on MBTI and typological forums do the circlejerk.

    My aggression shows itself when I force someone to answer me, debate and think about what they said (because they said something stupid and now they don't want to talk about it for example), or when I'm deeply disturbed by someone's thoughts. For example when someone says something like "yeah, but women are so mysterious anyway" or "males are more logical", or "i wish everyone would be christian" or I don't know. I usually tell them why I think it's stupid, or when I'm realy fed up, I make parodies about what they said, like I change my voice and say something really stereotipically sexist/racist etc. I don't know, I've always felt the need to tell others when I think they are wrong, and when it's about other people and the society, I became more upset. I also become upset/pushy when I have a problem in my relationship with someone, and I tell them what I see, but they don't know/want to know what I'm talking about, because they are not introspective enough or they are afraid to go deeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren View Post
    I want to understand how and why the oppression of women began and still exists, as well as I want women and men to be able to be themselves, so they don't have to fit into stereotipical men and women archetypes. What is considered to be masculine/solar and feminine/lunar should work together in a person. Logic, emotions, being strong, brave, being caring etc. If we tear apart these things into "male" and "female" and we keep pushing people to act like they should act according to their gender, they won't be able to live in harmony, be themselves and grow. I think this is also why a lot of people on MBTI and typological forums do the circlejerk.

    My aggression shows itself when I force someone to answer me, debate and think about what they said (because they said something stupid and now they don't want to talk about it for example), or when I'm deeply disturbed by someone's thoughts. For example when someone says something like "yeah, but women are so mysterious anyway" or "males are more logical", or "i wish everyone would be christian" or I don't know. I usually tell them why I think it's stupid, or when I'm realy fed up, I make parodies about what they said, like I change my voice and say something really stereotipically sexist/racist etc. I don't know, I've always felt the need to tell others when I think they are wrong, and when it's about other people and the society, I became more upset.
    Mm, I think instead of having people be themselves we give them better archetypes. I don't know if it's possible to make people not align with archetypes at all.

    How does forcing someone to answer you work? Is it a thing where you hold a grudge at them, or are you being "playfully" angry if you understand me. Not truly playful, but in the end you still feel lighthearted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    Mm, I think instead of having people be themselves we give them better archetypes. I don't know if it's possible to make people not align with archetypes at all.

    How does forcing someone to answer you work? Is it a thing where you hold a grudge at them, or are you being "playfully" angry if you understand me. Not truly playful, but in the end you still feel lighthearted.
    Archetypes exist, and I can imagine it helps people to find themselves according to these archetypes, but the gender roles constructed by patriarchy, feudalism etc. won't help anyone to expand, unless they can see beyond these stereotypes.

    If I see they are motivated to think about what I said, and open-minded, I will feel lighthearted. If they won't listen to what I'm saying, and can't reason just bullshiting, I'll be angry. When I calm down, I rarely stay angry to anyone, because I try to understand why they see/think what they do, and what formed their thoughts. But even then, I'll remember, and when they do it again, I may get angry again. If I see others are drinking their thoughts, and do the same shit, I'll even become more aggressive.

    Example: We were watching something on TV with my family, and they began to speak about how ugly/fat the women on the show were. I told them how funny it is they don't do this to men as well. They shut up then, but I'll always remember to this episode, as all the episodes, because this is a part of their personality and part of how the family functions. I cannot erease happenings like this, in my mind this becomes part of their identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren View Post
    Archetypes exist, and I can imagine it helps people to find themselves according to these archetypes, but the gender roles constructed by patriarchy, feudalism etc. won't help anyone to expand, unless they can see beyond these stereotypes.

    If I see they are motivated to think about what I said, and open-minded, I will feel lighthearted. If they won't listen to what I'm saying, and can't reason just bullshiting, I'll be angry. When I calm down, I rarely stay angry to anyone, because I try to understand why they see/think what they do, and what formed their thoughts. But even then, I'll remember, and when they do it again, I may get angry again. If I see others are drinking their thoughts, and do the same shit, I'll even become more aggressive.

    Example: We were watching something on TV with my family, and they began to speak about how ugly/fat the women on the show were. I told them how funny it is they don't do this to men as well. They shut up then, but I'll always remember to this episode, as all the episodes, because this is a part of their personality and part of how the family functions. I cannot erease happenings like this, in my mind this becomes part of their identity.
    I think the reason they don't do it to men is because men are expected to be ugly and fat, and it's kind of like kicking an old dog. Archetypes have appeal because they ease the anxiety of having to decide for yourself who you're going to be. Getting people to endure discomfort in order to get them to see new ways they could be is always the good fight. I don't know a lot about how I would change the gender roles around me or what would be a better situation, the world seems to go on autopilot and I just treat people as they seem to want to be treated. I do personally "feel" stereotypes and while they aren't limited to any sex or race, they certainly have subsets within these groups that seem to display common attributes. I don't know what to do about it.

    I understand why that would make you angry, the same kind of thing makes me angry. I think it's clear that you're an intuitive type. I want to say that you're an IN_j(middle undeterminable for now), ENFp, or an EIE, but I'll leave it up to others to decide that.

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    My aggression shows itself lf when I force someone to answer me, debate and think about what they said (because they said something stupid and now they don't want to talk about it for example), or when I'm deeply disturbed by someone's thoughts. For example when someone says something like "yeah, but women are so mysterious anyway" or "males are more logical", or "i wish everyone would be christian" or I don't know. I usually tell them why I think it's stupid, or when I'm realy fed up, I make parodies about what they said, like I change my voice and say something really stereotipically sexist/racist etc. I don't know, I've always felt the need to tell others when I think they are wrong, and when it's about other people and the society, I became more upset. I also become upset/pushy when I have a problem in my relationship with someone, and I tell them what I see, but they don't know/want to know what I'm talking about, because they are not introspective enough or they are afraid to go deeper.



    yeah not Se creative

    IEI-Ni with strongish Ti, EII, or LII-ti

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    Yes, I'm definitely thinking in Ti/Fe combinations, my only concern is Ni/Ne. I can see myself as an ENFj or INFp with strong Ti or an INTj or ENTp with strong Ni. If I'm an Ethical/Feeler I don't understand why I am not patient towards others or care more about reasoning in a debating than their feelings. If I'm a Logical/Thinker I find it weird that I'm so into spiritualism, monitor what impressions I make constantly, and feel the urge to help people expand. Although these may be stupid stereotypes, I guess.

    Another thing that can help is I'm not really into helping exact people but more about humanity/systems that would help people improve their lives, or expressing my views on topics how things should work/how one should act, and I also tend to give people advices what should they do or consider rather than crying with them/feeling with them in silence. I find these situations awkward, and when I feel someone wants to suck my Fe to be interested/feel sorry for them, I can get angry (although this can be a personal issue because of my family history). What I like is to make people talk about what they feel and be honest.
    But on the other hand, I feel I'm serious most of the time, and dont play around with playing the devil's advocate or something. I want people to learn so I want them to get the correct informations, and I'm also concerned sometimes not to tell in the end something destructive morally or intellectually, and I'm the first one in my family who reacts and embraces someone elses' feelings or react when they cry, and I am a good mediator between people, because I can understand where things went wrong, and see both sides.

    I also tend to play with logic a lot, and I need to understand and put my thoughts in a system. This analyzing can go a little bit far when I'm examining myself and also when I'm having conversations about a few weird thoughts of mine (like what if X and Y is actually an alien, quantuum immortality exists).
    On the other hand my impressions from nowhere like "there is no time, and I'm everywhere" or "I am actually one with everyone and everything" and the fact that I feel when someone/something is not okay seems to be Ni.

    I'm not sure if I am mixing the MBTI function descriptions with the Socionics ones. Also, thank you guys for your answers and reading my novels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    I think the reason they don't do it to men is because men are expected to be ugly and fat, and it's kind of like kicking an old dog. Archetypes have appeal because they ease the anxiety of having to decide for yourself who you're going to be. Getting people to endure discomfort in order to get them to see new ways they could be is always the good fight. I don't know a lot about how I would change the gender roles around me or what would be a better situation, the world seems to go on autopilot and I just treat people as they seem to want to be treated. I do personally "feel" stereotypes and while they aren't limited to any sex or race, they certainly have subsets within these groups that seem to display common attributes. I don't know what to do about it.

    I understand why that would make you angry, the same kind of thing makes me angry. I think it's clear that you're an intuitive type. I want to say that you're an IN_j(middle undeterminable for now), ENFp, or an EIE, but I'll leave it up to others to decide that.
    I've never really thought about how archetypes and gender roles can help to understand ourselves, so thank you for this perspective! And yes, I think studies that would examine what attributes come from social norms and what are people with different sex born with would be really useful. And even if we find some common things in how the brain of males or females works, we really shouldnt treat everyone according to this, so I can really agree with your thought about 'I treat others as they want go be treated".
    *I'm also pretty sure these studies exist, but we have to make these enabled into our everyday life and society as well, since there is a huge gap between studies and our everyday life. Maybe where you live it works better, I think the situation where I live is moderately bad.

    Also, thank you for your tips on my type!
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    OK I promised to post my opinion too. Rational Ti/Fe type was always very clear to me, Beta quadra values and strong Beta Fe and Ni became apparent not much later. Traces of Si PoLR and D-A cogstyle with Ne demonstrative. That altogether of course means EIE, EIE-Ni specifically due to really strong Ni

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    Ti is stronger than Se in OP ...so strong that it made me think of Ti dom. Not Ti suggestive.
    Ji type with Ni demonstrative or some kinda "Normalizing IEI".

    Comes across as an introvert. EIE makes no sense. Can't relate her to someone like McBain or Darya. Wtf. Where's the Fe dynamism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber View Post
    Ti is stronger than Se in OP ...so strong that it made me think of Ti dom. Not Ti suggestive.
    Ji type with Ni demonstrative or some kinda "Normalizing IEI".

    Comes across as an introvert. EIE makes no sense. Can't relate her to someone like McBain or Darya. Wtf. Where's the Fe dynamism.
    There was a lengthy off thread conversation where it was apparently worked out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber View Post
    Ti is stronger than Se in OP ...so strong that it made me think of Ti dom. Not Ti suggestive.
    Ji type with Ni demonstrative or some kinda "Normalizing IEI".

    Comes across as an introvert. EIE makes no sense. Can't relate her to someone like McBain or Darya. Wtf. Where's the Fe dynamism.
    Well IEI did always come up as an option before. Though I find Rationality and D-A thinking much more sensible an option for her than the IEI stuff.

    Don't forget she's not English btw, she's quite different in her native language

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber View Post
    Ti is stronger than Se in OP ...so strong that it made me think of Ti dom. Not Ti suggestive.
    Ji type with Ni demonstrative or some kinda "Normalizing IEI".

    Comes across as an introvert. EIE makes no sense. Can't relate her to someone like McBain or Darya. Wtf. Where's the Fe dynamism.
    Check the chat logs, you can read the whole conversation with her there, it might (or might not) change the impression you have.

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    I get a vibe of Fe and Ni focus, it all seems very beta NF. What is beauty? Straight into an esoteric Ni rant, actually using Ni over Si for that. All of it is pretty much emotional expression and views of the world instead of logical assessments. So I immediately thought IEI or EIE, after asking some questions I feel that Te is more role than Si, because it mostly just causes irritation instead of the more depressing vulnerable hit. Dislikes not being taken seriously a lot, this to me kind of points to a Se HA being ignored and the vulnerable being hit more than a role. I'm like 99% EIE on this.

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    Hi I am still processing information about you and have no specific conclusion about your type but the only thing I am 100% sure about is that you are intuitive. Was nice to talk to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet View Post
    Hi I am still processing information about you and have no specific conclusion about your type but the only thing I am 100% sure about is that you are intuitive. Was nice to talk to you.
    Sure, I hope we'll talk more anyway, and thank you for your comment!

    I can honestly see LII, EIE, IEI or even ILE. This is more because of my early childhood, I have serious doubts about a few functions I use and how I use them. I'll analyze this topic more and try not to put myself into a box, but learn from it and use it as a tool.

    Also, thank you guys for all the help (this goes to everyone), I really appreciate it!
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