Enneagram Type 1

[maniac]

@Medusa
I actually can't think of any 1 males except someone I know who isn't a celebrity.. It seems like it's more common with women. But females: Judge Judy, Rose McGowan are two I can think of right now.

Love or romance is really not sx. Sx is a separate thing and it is sexual chemistry (attraction etc). All of the instincts confuse their first instinct for love in my opinion. An sp first may take care of their partner or family member by giving them material gifts, in which if the reciever is sp last (or sometimes second) it wont really do anything for them, they dont see the love in it, but for the sp first it means alot.
Sx first can confuse their attraction for love and so on. Meeting and marrying young and staying together forever was common before, and the length of a relationship is not proof of high sx. My parents are both sx last and are still together.

He has a distance to him that feels sx last. I would guess he's so/sp.

[Olimpia]

[maniac]

@Medusa I type Martin Luther King 1.

[Olimpia]

@Medusa I type Martin Luther King 1.

Yeah, I'd type him as 1, too.

The differences between MLK and Jordan Peterson are based on their different tritypes and sociotypes.
MLK being EIE-Ni and Jordan being ILI-Te. That results in the Type 1ness being quite differently expressed.
MLK is more "intense" than Jordan mainly because his Fe is much stronger.

We can agree on Jordan's SO being quite strong. It's possible he's So/Sp, though for now I'll still say he's Sx/So.

[maniac]

@Medusa, i saw Jordans type being discussed elsewhere and it had me convinced he is in fact a 1. But 1w9. Martin Luther King must be 1w2. But, still so/sp for Jordan. I think his second fix is 7 actually, hes colorful and enthusiastic and a risk taker. I have no idea what his image fix is

[silke]

JBP does use words like "analysis" quite often and I find his logic to be quite complementary, so I'm inclined to agree with @squark that he is LxI.

As for his instinct stackings, here is yet more evidence that "social (so)" is his last instinct. Much like Carl Jung, who was typed as sx/sp by the Enneagram Institute crowd, Peterson rejects any sort of political involvement and instead reasons that the power lies with the individual:

"You know I’ve thought for a long time about a political career, really forever, since I was like twelve, really for a long time. And I’ve always decided against it because it seemed to me that the proper level of analysis, with regards to the solution of the problem that we’re facing, isn’t political. And that’s why I think it’s a mistake when what I’m doing gets politicized, even by me or other. I think that the way that you deal with this is to put yourself together, I really believe that, because I think that individual people are far more powerful, they’re certainly far more evil than their willing to consider. That’s also a sign of their unbelievable power. So, I think what you do is, aim high and put yourself together and stay the hell away from the ideologues. Because they’re hiding behind a wall and not able to come out and fight on their own behalf. And so, the way forward through the ideological mess, and that’s the lesson of Western culture, is place the individual at the place of paramount importance and to make the group identity emergent only when necessary, and secondarily if ever."

As sx/sp, I fully relate to these statements.

Yet another social-last bit that was noted by many people who have watched Jordan Peterson's videos: while lecturing he tends to intensely stare at one person in the audience. In case the audience is too large, he disengages and lectures from his own personal bubble making very little eye contact as can be seen in the video. I found myself following similar patterns when I had to do some public speaking and totally relate to this #soclaststruggle:

[maniac]

That quote shows a big investment in social, whether it's positive or negative. I as a social last would never consider starting a political career in the first place, and he has thought seriously about it since he was 12...
This guy is definitely not social last, all of his lectures show great social intelligence - how relationships work, why they work, why they dont work. This is all the social instinct.




And for the record, social lasts tend to be terrible lecturers because of the lack of social intelligence and knowledge of how to reel people in and make them listen, he is an expert at that (soc).

If I were you, @silke, I'd definitely consider a stacking for yourself that isn't social last, as you tend to type everyone but the social lasts, social last.

[silke]

Speed Comparer - SP 1w2 - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvd...yW-mEYw/videos

[silke]

If you have a vision like Jordan Peterson does, and you're SOC-first - such as so/sp as you type him - you wouldn't shoot yourself in the foot that way and decide that social career is not for you. What is happening to him at such a young age (12) is that he is finding out that he has a social blindspot and that thorough social involvement would be unsuitable for him i.e. he is figuring out who he truly is and that social engagement is not his primary value in life.

Furthermore social-lasts aren't "terrible lecturers" as you say. You'll find both sp/sx and sx/sp giving interviews and presentation that have wide appeal within their circles and niches, which is exactly the situation with Jordan Peterson. Latest example from the news is Hugh Hefner, sp/sx, who has enjoyed fame and recognition within a certain circle. There are more actors, celebs, and even politicians of these stackings.

Further, I can't see any SX-last posting something like this on Twitter. There are Peterson's latest SX-first shenanigans with some implied victimhood in the SOC area: "Will I get crucified by asking this politically incorrect socially provocative question?"





On a final note, typing me as social-first is beyond being ridiculous lol. I can only write that off on your odd assumptions about the enneagram and your general life inexperience.

[Olimpia]

[silke]

John Nash - 1w9 sp/sx (LII)

[Chae]

Social 1w2

[maniac]

@Sol both are more 8. Dr. Cox reminds me of a teacher I have that is 8w9 with a 7 fix.





"Shame on you" - Such a 1 statement.




Youre probably more like this guy who is less crazy (not being a woman may play a part in it)

[ashlesha]

[Spermatozoa]

At first, I thought that the first bird was just taking a righteous crap on the second bird.

Still, this is pretty much what happens metaphorically.

[Sol]

[Chae]

Kanye taking a break from E3 and trying the E1 lane:

[Chae]

Spock is the perfect One. In both senses of the word. Five is not the actual core type, he is too correct in wanting to be correct... by correcting others, virtue of pedantry. No withholding information or reclusion detectable. Doesn't collect facts only for himself but to achieve an outward ideal, nitpicking without failure and wanting to implement rules the right way. SX last of course.

[Chae]

SX/SO

[Sol]

[Olimpia]

I got the impression this could be SX 1w9.



Dean Cornwell - Story illustration - 1918

[Chae]

Mom is a self-pres/sexual one stereotype. Household and appearance - have to be flawless. The nitpicking, correcting, over-organizing, plus fighting what is wrong: off the charts, to every detail. Even now that I'm writing this I hear her complain in the other room. Hypocrisy? Of course, the 1's shadow self is there, too. No person in the world could tolerate a LTR with her except one type - self-pres Dad, most loyal of phobic sixes with a 9 fix. Enneagram compatibility... your demons just have to vibe.

[Dauphin]

Cato the Younger, to me, is one of the archetypal sx/so Ones of history. His ancestor, Cato the Elder, was either a One or a Six.

[Dauphin]

Cato the Younger, to me, is one of the archetypal sx/so Ones of history. His ancestor, Cato the Elder, was either a One or a Six.

Now that I think about it he may have been more of an so/sp. The same for Torquemada.

[Sol]

"boils our disturbed reason..."

[silke]

probably a 1w9 (ESE?)




e1 being critical - LSE-Si 1w9 so/sx (The Golden One)




James David Manning - SX/SP 1w2

[Bertrand]

educate impious men and you create but clever devils

[maniac]

soc 1w2 i guess.. 127

[JC1]

soc 1w2 i guess.. 127

Nah, he's not. He thought he was e5 but decided e7 fit better (insofar as he agrees with ennneagram at all)

[maniac]

Nah, he's not. He thought he was e5 but decided e7 fit better (insofar as he agrees with enigma at all)

Yeah he's so not a 5. Might be 7 but he seems so righteous and like a judge, and that's what 1 is. 1s want to create order and be in lead of that order. Which is what he does. Tons of people mistype themselves. What does thing you wrote in parantheses mean?

[JC1]

Yeah he's so not a 5. Might be 7 but he seems so righteous and like a judge, and that's what 1 is. 1s want to create order and be in lead of that order. Which is what he does. Tons of people mistype themselves. What does thing you wrote in parantheses mean?

It should say "enneagram" instead of "enigma"- autocorrect I guess.

Anyway, I'm an E1, and he isn't. There is more to this than just being judge. He doesn't strike me as righteous or all that morally focused (at least, no more than 7s can be- 7s have a line to 1 anyway after all); most of his complaints are about people getting Socionics wrong or how Socionics is better than mbti, or how certain things in society annoy him (such as Progressives) because he thinks things are being overblown. He's just a typical ILE-Ti. Any judgementalness you are picking up is either him being Ti ego or being Fi PolR.

Social 127 is definitely out since that is one of the most lighthearted and involved 1s, more likely t act like a "fun" teacher and display much more interpersonal warmth than Jack does even at his best. Type 1 (esp. Social subtype) is also just at odds with Ne-Ti from he outset as well in my opinion.

[maniac]

most of his complaints are about people getting Socionics wrong or how Socionics is better than mbti, or how certain things in society annoy him (such as Progressives)

Yeah, this is 1ish. He thinks he knows everything best, and he's the one who decides that. ding ding

Social 127 is definitely out since that is one of the most lighthearted and involved 1s, more likely t act like a "fun" teacher and display much more interpersonal warmth than Jack does even at his best. Type 1 (esp. Social subtype) is also just at odds with Ne-Ti from he outset as well in my opinion

So you don't think he's lighthearted or fun, but you think he's a 7? I just don't follow your logic here at all.

What he is lacking from a core 7 is the risk part. He seems to come from his gut and like he "knows" all of this stuff from his gut, and is the best at it -- that's totally 1.

[silke]

Anyway, I'm an E1, and he isn't. There is more to this than just being judge. He doesn't strike me as righteous or all that morally focused (at least, no more than 7s can be- 7s have a line to 1 anyway after all); most of his complaints are about people getting Socionics wrong or how Socionics is better than mbti, or how certain things in society annoy him (such as Progressives) because he thinks things are being overblown. He's just a typical ILE-Ti. Any judgementalness you are picking up is either him being Ti ego or being Fi PolR.

Social 127 is definitely out since that is one of the most lighthearted and involved 1s, more likely t act like a "fun" teacher and display much more interpersonal warmth than Jack does even at his best. Type 1 (esp. Social subtype) is also just at odds with Ne-Ti from he outset as well in my opinion.

Agreed, he's likely a Social 3w2. There was a girl in one of the enneagram groups who are years of searching has discovered her type to be SEE so/sp 3w2 and others have commented how much she is like Jack. Anyone who knows the history of WSS also knows there have been quite a bit of deceit involved in it, the weak point of the 3s, and that his group's aggressive spread and attempted takeovers of other groups points to an assertive triad type (3-7-8).

I'm curious what type Yvonne Strahovski is considered to be. Being a 1w9 (Gamma) myself, I find myself intrigued.

Cheers!

Gamma rational would seem fitting for her, something like ESI-Se. I'm going to retype her since I've gathered more examples of 1w9s and there are some dissimilarities there.

[Olimpia]

[Dauphin]

Bach - LIE 1w9
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Topics/Personality.htm
https://www.quora.com/How-was-JS-Bachs-personality

[Dauphin]

Savonarola: another archetypal sx One.
"The best, and the worst, that can be said of the tempestuous friar is that he loved God so passionately that he had very little love left for man."

There is also Tomas de Torquemada, the Grand Inquisitor of Spain:


Notice that they were both members of the Dominican Order.

[Dauphin]

Ven. Fulton J. Sheen: 1w2 so/sx

[Dauphin]

Joseph de Maistre: ILI-Te 1w9 sp/sx



“War is thus divine in itself, since it is a law of the world. War is divine through its consequences of a supernatural nature which are as much general as particular. War is divine in the mysterious glory that surrounds it and in the no less inexplicable attraction that draws us to it. War is divine by the manner in which it breaks out.”

“To hear these defenders of democracy talk, one would think that the people deliberate like a committee of wise men, whereas in truth judicial murders, foolhardy undertakings, wild choices, and above all foolish and disastrous wars are eminently the prerogatives of this form of government."

[Stellafera]

Literally written about Type 1 as part of the singer's project to document all Enneagram types:



But the list goes on forever,
of all the ways I could be better, in my mind.
As if I could earn God’s favor given time,
or at least “congratulations”.

[silke]

http://www.insightfulinnovations.com...ication-styles

Enneagram Communication Styles - Type 1
Talk Style: Proselytizing, teaching, preaching, informing, telling, educating and elevating.

Energy: Rigid, upright, stiff, contained, solid, stoic, elegant, polished, assured.

Image Statement: I am right; I am good; I know best; I want perfection. One's want to communicate to the world that they have it together, and are competent, right, and good moral people even though internally they may feel the opposite.

Conflict Style: Faultfinding, nitpicking, condescending, poker faced, unemotional (or explosive if pushed too far), moralizing, admonishing. One's are triggered by being told they are wrong and will go on the offensive if their character is attacked. They may become moralizing or scolding. Some One's may retreat for fear of emotional display or may seem cold and distant.

Resolving Conflict: Do not tell them they are wrong, but rather find a way you can validate their opinion while holding your ground. Try to avoid the words wrong, incorrect, or bad all together while in an argument lest you escalate it. Help them see the ways in which they are being angry or hurtful (in a gentle way, as 1s have a fear of their own anger).