I think this relationship sounds awesome and you should write a film about it afterwards.
I think this relationship sounds awesome and you should write a film about it afterwards.
I meant never.
You're both nuts and have very low selfesteem coupled with a bizarre self of entitlement.
And you both handle your angry through tempers (re: throwing/breaking things).
I've thrown a fair number of tempers before. Since when did shame ever work to change people? Guilt, maybe, but never shame.
Maybe your relationship will never end.....kind of like this thread.
jk
What if she breaks?Originally Posted by mercutio
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Good to know. Thank you.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
then dispose of her.What if she breaks?
you are evil...
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Gammas are violent tooWow a lot of broken stuff, violence and passion, are you sure you are not Beta?
Last edited by carrina; 10-03-2015 at 01:54 AM.
it happens.
Any and all type breaks things out of anger.
These generalizations are rediculous.
Sidenote: I'm gamma. I do not break things when I'm angry nor do I surround myself with people who do.
Originally Posted by Dionysius
Yes, we have. I'm young, so I'm not yet so prosperous. I clearly see that she feels uncomfortable when I have financial problems, even they being minor - We have a secure medium class life. One of the things that irritate her the most is when I remember expensive things that I've bought, to explain why I'm 'broke', and she considers it an 'insult'. That I should never remember those things, cause it's unethical. We quarreled a lot on this last issue. ESIs don't like 'excuses'. They want LIEs to always find a solution and gain the money needed. They want security in the present and future. The past doesn't matter.
FDG
Anyone with a brain would understand that dating a person 10 years younger when you're 31 normally implies that the said person will have less financial resources than what you are "used to" among same-age peers. And since she chose you as her boyfriend she should get used to it.
I think oftentimes LIEs are more controlling than ESIs. They're the Te dominants after all.
Anyone with brain can see this is probably some "rebound relationship" or something just as temporary and second-hand and that she only uses his age&financial condition against him because he obviously doesn't feel proud of it and because she can. Obviously he's totally insecure&on a limb and he cannot have any grasp of this shitty relationship and that's probably hardly what someone so much older than him wants. The dude seems to try to read the need for security as type-related in order to justify it all, which is of course wrong. Other than that anyone with valued Se would probably have some material considerations in life, too ...so I'm not so sure this is about LIE's dual.
Last edited by Amber; 03-12-2015 at 11:58 AM.
so meanwhile you type SEE (E8!) and you deleted all your posts in this thread, except for the OP which cannot be erased from the face of the earth. It's probably because you two are on your honeymoon right now.
Last edited by Amber; 03-12-2015 at 01:03 PM.
I'm all for calling a spade a spade and you're spot on, but sadly, this is something that he's going to have to learn for himself through experience. It's pretty obvious from his responses that he's not taking advice on board properly and is ignoring for the answer that's right in front of his face and not buried in Socionics literature.
You might as well not waste your keystrokes.
I kinda bet on Ti creative by the way you look for theoretical frameworks for your irl relationship and constantly switch from one type to another (Ne). It looks like you always open some new "door" to uncover alternative interpretations and stuff.
I wonder why someone would ever tell their partner about this forum lol.
Yeah, sure, that's the more cynical way to see it (and I think it's probably true). But IF she really wanted to stay with him she should have considered the implications even financial etc.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Learn what you can out of it while it lasts. That's all I could say.
Well, I guess that means you never learned any maladaptive coping strategies and getting your needs met in healthy ways as opposed to scenarios of acting out with violence or breaking things.
I did. I threw two plates against walls in my younger years and I am not proud of it. I also punched a truck and was arrested and charged with mischief, by my ex boyfriend. Not proud of that either. I'm gamma as well. I can say those episodes are moments of extreme stress, pressure, hurt, anger, loneliness, fear, frustration and grief. I would tend to agree with you, I would not choose to surround myself with people who are suffering in that manner.
As a future nurse? you are going to encounter many, many people in distress.
Relevant cause you see first hand people people who do these kinds of things. I knew what you meant to begin with I was wondering if it came from a place of understanding first hand, past some kind of intellectual exercise, why this type of behaviour is potentially damaging (on a wide range of spectrum). As well, why these things might be a result of extreme stress, ect. I can't even really remember what we were talking about to begin with, so I guess I will leave it at that.
Originally Posted by blackburry
Sidenote: I'm gamma. I do not break things when I'm angry nor do I surround myself with people who do.
but would I date someone who does that?
*** the answer to your question when u'r done lying to urself and trying to save face for having gone through abusive relationships that drove u into therapy is "yes".
No- I do not throw things. And I precisely stay away from people who do because I was in an abusive relationship earlier in life. It's my rationale for immediately ending a friendship or relationship. If I was saving face, I wouldn't have so openly talked about this or therapy.
Originally Posted by blackburry
Sidenote: I'm gamma. I do not break things when I'm angry nor do I surround myself with people who do.
but would I date someone who does that?
*** the answer to your question when u'r done lying to urself and trying to save face for having gone through abusive relationships that drove u into therapy is "yes".
You have no point.
Unhealthy people do not and can not recognized healthy human behavior and since they can't tell they often run and blame. That's been my experience. Glad to say that I'm with someone normal and playful, comes from a healthy family and recognizes ill meaning and good meaning intentions by how wrll he gets to know someone because he's had a healthy example, healthy people that set good roles. I was traumatized by assholier than ever LSE before and when my bf started being playful with me by trying to start a pillow fight I broke down and cried because i thought and intrusion of space was not alliwed that is what was rubbed in my head and since thinking that it's healthy physical contact hurts someone I've recoiled and was like a traumatized sheep. My bf cleared that up really fast and I love him for that.idk what to say. If someone is making you feel like shit you're probably with the wrong person. Take my example, I'm happy and in the kind of dual relations this is meant to be.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
you brag too much about your totally awesome relationship with your LSE bf to be true
I brag a lot it's true. Come and meet us. I do write about the few instances where we've had run ins but those are brushed away so fast and they don't repeat.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
no, you don't vibe like a happy person. you vibe like like narcissist who posts old Okcupid profiles because they need "recognition" for their relationship on a socionics forum.I brag a lot it's true. Come and meet us
Oookay...wow you seem angry and bitter. Maybe it is you who isn't happy.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
derp. "no, it's not me, it's u.".
Or "I suspect that you're not happy" why? Because as the point of this thread goes you are something out of this world when it comes to not suspecting bad things about people. Try using your base function. Build relationships and stop knocking people down
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
maritsa, all u have to say about relationships is a projection of your own experience or parroted socionics intertype theory. not cool. sporadically i can read smth. interesting in ur posts, but this is not the case.
I am proud of my relationship. That is something that is uncommon to you and which you can not stand when displayed. It isn't my problem but you can learn that people are different and display their joy differently than what you use to judge happiness looking or looks by. It doesn't make it insincere. And, I do talk about it more her because socionics is about intertype relationships. It is not all I post about. It isn't cool for you to bring gloom and mask it in untrue cloud.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
hehe. it does make it insincere. u have no clue about what my relationships have been like because u'r too absorbed in ur own stuff and that clouds ur judgement. but i concur, ur interest in socionics that ur life centers on makes u very smart.
...Because she's happy, and he and their relationship are on her mind.
"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"
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I can tell who's fake and who's heavenly happy myself, you don't have to advocate for her now. i don't know if I prefer your religious illusions though....Because she's happy, and he and their relationship are on her mind.
dionysius is back? lol
that is still in line with what the op is saying about ESI that they are unfoundedly suspicious and because of that get crazy negative. please evaluate your attitude.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
aah, I have to correct you: the OP only said stuff about his (ex-)girlfriend and their unhealthy relationship in this thread, not about ESIs.
I've worked through years of really tough relationships with morally immature people (like OPs fi base gf). These experiences led me to agree with the others who have said "runnnn muthafuckaaaaa runnnn"
I'd be out like sauerkraut unless the sex was awesome and in that case I'd reduce it to a sexual relationship with no benefits, like emotional support.
Last edited by carrina; 10-03-2015 at 02:01 AM.
+2 for accuracy
-1 for sad
1. I've broken plenty of stuff but i think it's funny.
2. Your last sentence is a very helpful thing to say.
yeah same. I think ppl got to work through thier own journey dont you agree?
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