What does Ni HA look like -- especially from the pov of Ni egos? You can hit hard, np
What does Ni HA look like -- especially from the pov of Ni egos? You can hit hard, np
Sitting quietly listening to someone connect the dots for you.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
only IEI must have both strong Ni and strong Ti. I've heard it has something to do with not knowing exactly when it's time to act and going either too fast, or too slow. But thanks for your contribution, it was brilliant.
I was just facetiously poking fun. Your initial question was a good example of Ni HA.
You know what dots you want connected(Se), but prefer to absorb information from the outside about how they connect(Ni).
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
In my opinion yes.
Normally you like constant aid with your Suggestive. Often individuals see their Mobilizing as pretty strong so constant aid there can cause a slight feeling of insult.
There's a reason why your dual's Mobilizing is your Creative and not Base
Edit: But it was in general a good example of Ego / Super-ID interaction
Jezus is the cruel sausage
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“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
What I was asking was a POV question ...I didn't take it as "ultimate objective reality", I was aiming at some Ni dom. or Ni creative's input. And this already has some implied Ni, in my very humble opinion. So far Expat's ideas , which I ran into in forum folders, make enough sense, so I'll stick to that interpretation. But yeah, I agree with Daft that you don't really need so much help with Mobilizing.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
See thats an Area where i think Ni Thrives. There's very limited information, essentially just a dichotomy. In my head that gets stripped down to its roots almost immediately. To be loved, is to have that outside reassurance. To Love, is to have that feeling provoked within you.
As a broad sweeping statement, that is treated as mutable based on the context of a situation, i find those types of descriptions very useful.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Well, that's why I'm giving examples. BTW, to love and to be loved are not by Expat, but by Sergei Ganin.
This is true, but there is more to it than that. e.g. LSEs and ESEs might also be inclined to ACT NOW, but for different reasons. xSEs have this inclination to do everything that needs to be done NOW without a perspective of how things fit together in relation to the dynamics of large-scope events, for which they seem to have a blind spot (hence Ni-PoLR). With xSIs, the inclination is linked to a vision on the dynamics of events. Often a wrong vision, but a vision nonetheless. Hence the Mobilizing-Ni: xSIs themselves think they are good at it.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
They could still be correct, even if the means of discovery are kooky. Sometimes you're right and when you try to rationalize why the rationalization comes out inaccurate, but that doesn't automatically mean the conclusion is wrong.
Also, sometimes you just have to stand with your conclusions. Taking personal responsibility for what you say is more likely to lead to corrective behavior. If i'm wrong, i should have to eat my words and the world should be able to see me do so. Backtracking in the face of consequence is how you avoid changing yourself for the better.
So being too late isn't an issue in my eyes. It's all about ultimately being more accurate down the road. An Ni approach to compensating for weak/valued Ti perhaps.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
My ideas naturelly tend to coalesce towards the simplest but most evocative image I can find. Maybe Ni encodes a hieroglyph and puts the burden of decoding on the listener. It can then resonate with a lot of interrelated personnal meanings for the listener.
In the wrong context, though, people are quite irritated when I am too vague and metaphoric, for example when I explain my software designs to my colleagues. Maybe this reaction is Ni PoLR. They stare at me and seem to say : "Ok, what's the POINT ?".
** EDIT : Sorry, the original question was about Ni-HA, but I talked about PoLR... **
For example, not long ago I explained with much enthousiasm how our new database reminded me of the Roman Empire with its two consuls, the senate, the provinces, etc. To my great disapointment, the magnificent allegory was welcomed quite coldly...
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Ok, I think I got one!
Conspiracy theories ? Are they a manifestation of Ni HA ?
Being drawn to gurus and sect leaders is probably a Ni-HA tendency. Or being inspired by people with vision or who draw attention to meaningful goals or causes.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this concept as you're learning socionics. At first, it's better if you concentrate on the base and creative functions as explanation of what people do in their daily life.
Specifically, many descriptions of Ni as hidden agenda seem to mostly describe a combination of low intelligence and poor education.
The way I personally prefer to understand the concept of "Ni hidden agenda" is a request for Ni creative (which is going to be different if given by EIEs or LIEs). So, a request for either a quick synthesis of potential trends in the objective world, in order to act upon them and reap material profits to share among your community (this would be LIE-ESI), or a request for an idiosyncratic position which can potentially be supported by the group/society of reference, in order to create a new social system based on these "unexplored wishes" (this would be EIE-LSI).
Notice that "normal people" are generally busy completing a large number of tasks related to their survival, which can be executed with basic human skills that go beyond functional orientations. Thus you won't see the realization of "hidden agendas" or "creative functions" in each specific action of each specific person.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukq_XJmM-k
It is true that the Mobilizing function manifest itself on different levels, but understanding of the Mobilizing Function in its more neurotic and pathological, i.e. blow-up manifestations is a precondition to understanding it on a healthy level, where it manifests itself in much more subtle, and thus less easily detectable ways:
http://mavericksocionics.blogspot.nl...-function.html
http://mavericksocionics.blogspot.nl...-function.html
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
I think it should look like a person who becomes easily honored by complements about how they are "in role" - they use their Ni to take on the airs of others expectations, to place themselves in a larger context ... I dunno, I explained this wrong.
Socionics -
the16types.info