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    > Which socionics quadra type of humor is predominant in the "Two and a Half Men" show?

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    You seriously need to turn that shit off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    You seriously need to turn that shit off.
    What shit?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    two and a half men

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    it's one of the best comedy shows ever
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    To answer the question, the humor is Alpha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    To answer the question, the humor is Alpha.
    Thank you. I also thought Alpha but I wasn't sure. I guess I am attracted to Alpha humor then. Although I really don't like Seinfeld, for which you 've also said it's Alpha. Interesting...
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    I think "Two and a half men" is more of a + kind of Alpha humor with a bit of , while "Seinfeld" is more of a + kind of Alpha with just a bit of and next to zero .


    But - -

    "Two and a half men" also has more than "Seinfeld", making the former at least partly Delta, too, where there is next to zero in "Seinfeld".
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    Thanks. It makes more sense to me now.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    I think "Two and a half men" is more of a + kind of Alpha humor with a bit of , while "Seinfeld" is more of a + kind of Alpha with just a bit of and next to zero .


    But - -

    "Two and a half men" also has more than "Seinfeld", making the former at least partly Delta, too, where there is next to zero in "Seinfeld".
    Since we are discussing Quadra humor, do you by any chance know what Quadra Family guy is in?

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    I never watched it.
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    Ok -- take into consideration that I haven't watched any US sitcoms for 2 years now, and that before that I watched it from the UK, but you may still find my sampling a bit odd. In no particular order and IMO:

    MASH - mostly Gamma, a bit of Delta
    Married with Children - Beta
    Ned & Stacey - Beta
    Frasier - Delta
    Arliss - Beta
    Becker - Gamma mostly
    Cheers - all over, mainly Alpha
    Friends - all over
    Spin City - Beta + Gamma
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    How about "7th Heaven"? Is it Delta?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    How about "7th Heaven"? Is it Delta?
    Never watched it.

    I thought of something else -- "Just Shoot Me" seems to have a Beta perspective while making fun (but affectionally so) of Deltas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    How about "7th Heaven"? Is it Delta?
    I kinda agree. The hottie could have been ENFp or ISTp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    I thought of something else -- "Just Shoot Me" seems to have a Beta perspective while making fun (but affectionally so) of Deltas.
    I 've never seen it. Sounds provocative. I 'll keep that in mind for when I get the chance to see it.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by soggy-flakes
    What quadra would you say the Simpsons best fits in?
    Not sure, probably all over. And Bart Simpson is a total ISTp .
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    Quote Originally Posted by soggy-flakes
    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    Quote Originally Posted by soggy-flakes
    What quadra would you say the Simpsons best fits in?
    Not sure, probably all over. And Bart Simpson is a total ISTp .
    I always thought he was more ESTp
    I thought he was ESTP when I was only familiar to MBTI, but now I think ISTp would fit him better.
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    Charlie: SLI
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    I hate this show from the pit of my soul. HATE HATE HATE it. I mean utterly LOATHE this show. My ex-roommate always used to have it on, but watching it burns my eyes with the passion of a thousand nuns.

    Anyway, Charlie's a fop -- he's clearly intuitive.

    Charlie: IEI
    Alan: Delta NF (the character that has to live with an opposite quadra, what a "clever" storyline )
    Jake: SEI
    Evelyn (the mother): EIE

    Rose (the stalker lady): ESE

    Berta (the maid): LSI
    Kandy: IEI

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    Herb: ILE

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    Charlie is clearly intuitive?
    Heh...

    Yeah, Alan, the other dude - I can see him as a delta NF.
    Both of them are NFs? I'm not ready to buy that, at all.

    I see a lot more ST-NF foil than NF delta/NF beta foil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Charlie is clearly intuitive?
    Heh...

    Yeah, Alan, the other dude - I can see him as a delta NF.
    Both of them are NFs? I'm not ready to buy that, at all.
    Why would Charlie be ST then?
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    yeah that show has some of the weakest writing on TV. the premise is lame too. the jokes are predictable.. the acting is sub-par.. the characters are unlikable. It's like a comedy for autistic people
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    Can't stand this show. I'd have Charlie as SEE.
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    that show is hilarious. it's so bad it's good. hahaha

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    The two adult guys are an ESTj - ENFp couple. Not sure about the kid. I saw the guy who plays Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly appear in one of the episodes. Although people type him wrongly in almost every possible way, he is an ESTj too.

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    ^ Who is the ESTj, Alan or Charlie?


    I don't see how Charlie can be an ST type. He doesn't do any actual work and sits on his candyass all day. He gets all the money he needs basically gifted to him as royalties because of a few simple lyrics he writes. How about that for DS? In one episode he even panicked that he didn't have enough money to pay the bills, instead of actually going out and doing something about it.

    His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan.

    He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics.

    Most of his girlfriends are either other IEIs or blatant Se egos.
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    This guy:

    Charlie Sheen - Wikipedia

    I'm typing the actor, mostly on the basis of looks and body language.

    He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics.
    It's a manifestation of Si. Ethical functions have a bit of a habit of making men appear awkward due to role confusion. Alan is a great example. Charlie is a good specimen of a charming and unambiguiously male person. There is nothing incompatible with ESTj there.

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    Judith seems to supervise Alan, so IEE works better than EII.
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    His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan.
    The lives of most people on earth are focussed primarily on other people. Criticism is one of the most distinct trademarks of Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    The lives of most people on earth are focussed primarily on other people. Criticism is one of the most distinct trademarks of Te.
    Not the point where people are the only aspect of reality that person is interested in, or do you reject the strength of clubs as a criteria in typing? I should have also written "making fun of" instead of criticize.

    Te criticism points out the visible material aspects that are wrong with someone, implying a negative statement about that person's perpetual character (Fi). Fe criticism starts by associating a person with some negative trait, implying that it makes him unsuitable for material tasks (Ti) or life in general.

    Charlie never directly criticizes Alan for his failures. He casually makes fun of him every time he's around. The audience plays the role of the dual, filling in the info that Alan is a loser. That's the whole point of the show.
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    Not the point where people are the only aspect of reality that person is interested in, or do you reject the strength of clubs as a criteria in typing? I should have also written "making fun of" instead of criticize.
    When a person is to an extreme degree closed off from other people it can be an indication that they are either INTx type. If likewise the social inclinations are really extreme it can indicate ESFx. Anything in between doesn't influence the typing much at all.

    Charlie never directly criticizes Alan for his failures. He casually makes fun of him every time he's around.
    Criticism wasn't a bad word to use at all. Keep in mind he is a Te type compatible with Alan's. Delta STs also aren't exactly as harsh about giving criticism than INTps are, for example.

    Minute 1.45: Ethical "mistake" on Charlie's part (hell, it's a whole slew of them, in light of which it would be really stubborn to keep calling him F):

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    yeah that show has some of the weakest writing on TV. the premise is lame too. the jokes are predictable.. the acting is sub-par.. the characters are unlikable. It's like a comedy for autistic people
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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    When a person is to an extreme degree closed off from other people it can be an indication that they are either INTx type. If likewise the social inclinations are really extreme it can indicate ESFx. Anything in between doesn't influence the typing much at all.
    I wasn't referring to Smilexian socionics.

    An LSE would have leading Te. He should have a strong work ethic. Charlie only ever does the work he needs to; the point of the show is that he's rich, beautiful, successful and happy without ever having to lift a finger. So much so, that labor is an alien notion to him. This is repeated in almost every single episode.

    In fairness, that coupled with his abrasiveness (possible Fe PoLR/ignoring) and desire for a personal comfort zone (away from Alan), might be a reason to consider SLI.

    I don't know about the actor's type, but the show could be a case of a delta ST playing a mock IEI conflictor, as something of a joke. Maybe that's why his style and level of abrasiveness seem delta ST. Also, he's generic and poorly characterized.

    Criticism wasn't a bad word to use at all. Keep in mind he is a Te type compatible with Alan's. Delta STs also aren't exactly as harsh about giving criticism than INTps are, for example.

    Minute 1.45: Ethical "mistake" on Charlie's part (hell, it's a whole slew of them, in light of which it would be really stubborn to keep calling him F):
    YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.
    His level of abrasiveness is completely uncharacteristic of IEI, but it's also not necessarily indicative of delta ST. If he has weak F and weak T, then his characterization is inconsistent with socionics.

    In that clip though, he was able to recover from his errors and still maintain his relationship with Jake. That might be an indication of strong F.

    Ethical types also freely express their ethical opinions. It's logical types that are generally afraid of making ethical mistakes in their respective superego functions.
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    I wasn't referring to Smilexian socionics.
    I'm not referring to any speculative model either, only to empirical observations of the types. It's only the INTx and ESFx types that have extreme social behaviors. The rest of the types are quite normal in that regard.

    If we agree that the particular kind of abrasiveness displayed by the Charlie character is indicative of Delta ST, I can supply this as evidence that the actor is of that club in real life:





    In fairness, that coupled with his abrasiveness (possible Fe PoLR/ignoring) and desire for a personal comfort zone (away from Alan), might be a reason to consider SLI.
    ISTp played by ESTj sounds good to me. Anything involving INFp is rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat
    ISTp played by ESTj sounds good to me. Anything involving INFp is rubbish.
    Not at all. SLI is a weak typing in my opinion.

    Regarding ethics in SLIs, this is what Rick (mostly) wrote about them:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fi HA

    SLIs very much enjoy personal conversations where people talk about their feelings and personal experience in an atmosphere of trust and intimacy. However, they tend to willingly follow others' initiative or create external conditions where emotional intimacy is likely to occur rather than actually initiating the intimacy themselves. SLIs are easy people to talk to about one's personal sentiments about life, people, and relationships, since they listen closely and with genuine interest as long as the person they are hearing out is not worked up or agitated.

    SLIs appreciate such qualities as concern, tact, and openness about one's feelings. These are the kinds of people they are drawn to for friendship. They are usually very polite and loyal; particularly to close family members and the very few people they count as friends. They expect the same returned, but often suffer quiet disappointment.
    Most of the above is opposite of what Charlie does on a regular basis. Is his relationship with Alan any form of duality?
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    Most of the above is opposite of what Charlie does on a regular basis. Is his relationship with Alan any form of duality?
    You tell me. I'm not the one calling him ISTp.

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    Charlie: SLE Harmonizing
    Alan: LII?
    Jake: ILE Harmonizing
    Berta: ESE Creative
    Evelyn: ESI Dominant
    Rose: IEI?
    Judith: LSE?
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
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    I've since changed my typing of Charlie to SLE, which makes more sense in terms of his relationship with his brother and his generally abrasive demeanor. And I've since discovered that SLEs can be hella lazy and good for nothin'.
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    Charlie's fiance: SLE
    Apparently, he had more than one fiance. This typing goes out to the one that was SLE.
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