please help to type me (probably IP temparament maybe LSI?)

[Beautiful sky]

@Maritsa
shared values and interrests help a lot.

I am looking for trusting, supporting and loyal relationships. My exgirlfriend questioned our relationship from time to time that hurt a lot. Though i have nothing against constructive criticism.

I tend to support my partner especialy in the work or study area and i am also kind of protectiv. . Once i even called My exgirlfriends boss and threatend her with a law case (because i knew my exgirlfriend would quit the job within a week) we could have made an easy 1000.- but in the end i asked my exgirlfriend if she want to do it that way and even though i had all the paperwork together she didn't want to give her boss the the claim. It made me said that she didn't stand up because it would have been an easy one and it would never had gone to court because it was a clear violation of the employment contract.

Even though i can act very protective i am not jealous at all i am not the one who pushs a guy away from my girlfriend because he dances with her. But if he harasses her i'll be there.

I like it when my girlfriend helps me with my weak spots and motivates me to do things i have to do but may not like to do.




By the way my enneagram type is 6w5 (pretty sure about that) tritype quiet likely 6w5 8w9 4w5

One reason why, in nature, LSE was intended to be EII's dual is that sense of protection with legal recourse. EII are naturally humanistic/humanitarian; that sense prevails over their sense of legal recourse and justice, hence they neither take action to prevent violence against them, in which case they end up being used, nor do they have the emotional heart to pursue their wrongdoers always excusing/justifying/compromising their mistake as some sort of personal issues one can not understand and must forgive as to help them and not trouble them more. Another words, LSE remain objective about the things that are right/wrong despite emotions for others and especially strangers (this is their Te, judging nature). By this and physical mean too of course (EII are quite fragile and delicate), LSE provide protection.

EII are small and soft human beings.

While the Beta quadrant members try to toughen the EII up despite the very objectivity that the person is really very too soft and unable to see past their perception of humanity and the greater happenings of the world of people and emotions, the LSE just accepts that as a matter of fact.

Our sense of mercy prevails over the sense of justice, but in the world of duality and the subconscious desire and wishes that manifest, one would like to set their feelings aside and have or be willing to take justice (duals are idealized self). I love my duals.

[DaftPunk]

One reason why, in nature, LSE was intended to be EII's dual is that sense of protection with legal recourse. EII are naturally humanistic/humanitarian; that sense prevails over their sense of legal recourse and justice, hence they neither take action to prevent violence against them, in which case they end up being used, nor do they have the emotional heart to pursue their wrongdoers always excusing/justifying/compromising their mistake as some sort of personal issues one can not understand and must forgive as to help them and not trouble them more. Another words, LSE remain objective about the things that are right/wrong despite emotions for others and especially strangers (this is their Te, judging nature). By this and physical mean too of course (EII are quite fragile and delicate), LSE provide protection.

EII are small and soft human beings.

While the Beta quadrant members try to toughen the EII up despite the very objectivity that the person is really very too soft and unable to see past their perception of humanity and the greater happenings of the world of people and emotions, the LSE just accepts that as a matter of fact.

Our sense of mercy prevails over the sense of justice, but in the world of duality and the subconscious desire and wishes that manifest, one would like to set their feelings aside and have or be willing to take justice (duals are idealized self). I love my duals.

Thanks for your insight was an interresting read.
From what i've read in the forum from you, you're pretty capable of defending yourself though Or ist there a big internet reallife difference?

I think most of my friends are alpha but i am also the one who is most different from them. They love to meet in big groups and are changing subjects we talk all the time what can drive me crazy. They're very likebale though.

[Beautiful sky]

Thanks for your insight was an interresting read.
From what i've read in the forum from you, you're pretty capable of defending yourself though Or ist there a big internet reallife difference?

I think most of my friends are alpha but i am also the one who is most different from them. They love to meet in big groups and are changing subjects we talk all the time what can drive me crazy. They're very likebale though.

I think you forgot to read the part where I said I'm tiny.

I don't know what you've read, exactly and in what context. It's typical and normal for Ij temps to be reactionary, passionate in their expression or ideas and thoughts, and very sticklers to their ideas because it's them defending their stability and maintaining it in the light of external difference and change.

If you call defending one's position as a form of defending one's self than that's really not what protecting someone is like. Defending a position in writing is offering rational justification for one's train of thought. Besides, it's just typing words and yes it's different from real life. In real life, you don't type feelings on a page and hand your thoughts over to a person, you have to speak and/to express them, in such a case, one's empathy or reading the emotional cues of the other person takes over strongly and I stop a lot of the time; on the forum, I can't read these cues as I think a lot of it involves extravertsion even probably sensing what is going on around me, so I plow ahead in my construct or idea so to say.

There are types that are much more effective in actual online protection, they can pick things to say that get to the heart of someone being intentionally pushy; I'm not one of them; and historically, that's been the SEE on the forum. Usually, Supervisory relations are good about protecting their supervisee in this way. I know that because my brother is SEE and in real life, when an ex boyfriend tried to get me back and he was dissatisfied with his actions, my brother was very verbally and physically protective.

[DaftPunk]

I think you forgot to read the part where I said I'm tiny.

I don't know what you've read, exactly and in what context. It's typical and normal for Ij temps to be reactionary, passionate in their expression or ideas and thoughts, and very sticklers to their ideas because it's them defending their stability and maintaining it in the light of external difference and change.

If you call defending one's position as a form of defending one's self than that's really not what protecting someone is like. Defending a position in writing is offering rational justification for one's train of thought. Besides, it's just typing words and yes it's different from real life. In real life, you don't type feelings on a page and hand your thoughts over to a person, you have to speak and/to express them, in such a case, one's empathy or reading the emotional cues of the other person takes over strongly and I stop a lot of the time; on the forum, I can't read these cues as I think a lot of it involves extravertsion even probably sensing what is going on around me, so I plow ahead in my construct or idea so to say.

There are types that are much more effective in actual online protection, they can pick things to say that get to the heart of someone being intentionally pushy; I'm not one of them; and historically, that's been the SEE on the forum. Usually, Supervisory relations are good about protecting their supervisee in this way. I know that because my brother is SEE and in real life, when an ex boyfriend tried to get me back and he was dissatisfied with his actions, my brother was very verbally and physically protective.

Thanks for explaining

I have a question when i prepared the letter for my ex to give it to her boss she was not able to hand it out when she was at work and saw her boss. I was not angry with her when she came home and told me but kind of said and disappointed. I also asked her why and told her that she has to stand up for herself. I don't know if she's EII likely not i think she's ESE. But if she's EII i'd have force her Se POLR a lot.
how would you have handled the situation?

You wrote one advantage of the EII-LSE duality is that the LSE doesn't push the EII to overhelm his/her POLR. I mean i also push people to stand upfor themselves but i am willing to support and to help they don't have to do it alone. I also don't force them to change but i have a problem when they don't want my help. But you wrote that, that betas would force someone to change and the LSE just helps when i got it right

[Beautiful sky]

Thanks for explaining

I have a question when i prepared the letter for my ex to give it to her boss she was not able to hand it out when she was at work and saw her boss. I was not angry with her when she came home and told me but kind of said and disappointed. I also asked her why and told her that she has to stand up for herself. I don't know if she's EII likely not i think she's ESE. But if she's EII i'd have force her Se POLR a lot.
how would you have handled the situation?

You wrote one advantage of the EII-LSE duality is that the LSE doesn't push the EII to overhelm his/her POLR. I mean i also push people to stand upfor themselves but i am willing to support and to help they don't have to do it alone. I also don't force them to change but i have a problem when they don't want my help. But you wrote that, that betas would force someone to change and the LSE just helps when i got it right

I usually do what LSE ask me to do and if that asking is in a specific manner or instruction, I follow it very closely; on rare occasion I will not do what they say, but it will always be followed with an explanation of why I thought that it wasn't a good idea. In you ex's or your gf's case, if I were still employed at that company, I wouldn't want to cast particular malice or emotional distance from me by the threat of a law suit. I would, however, have discussed this with an LSE extensively, making sure that most grounds were covered before such a decision was made.

Pushing someone to stand up for themselves is not related to Se. I can stand up for myself in a verbal expression of things that I express to be morally right/wrong, not only of myself but that of others too. Se is involved in apprehension of static aspects of elements, color, texture, style and mobilization for action. I know my abilities, as in what I can do but because of overwhelming choices, confusion is made about what I should do; I miss out on details about people despite trying very hard.

Se PoLR types don't like pushing people's boundaries, but that doesn't mean they can't express moral sentiments about what things people and societies do that is wrong/bad/unkind.

My brother is SEE, in many ways he is much more aware of my state (not space) than anything and is sensitive around me; he does take into control things which enhance or affirm his sensory experience like changing my economical and bad toilet paper into the super soft one; he gains explicit sense of pleasure from nice things and objects, where it's secondary to me, but because he likes things his way, he'll do it anyway no matter what my preferences are; my disagreement will only lend him to do it again silently but impertinently the next time; so, I can't win with him; I never really have been able to. He's very much about his sense experience despite my logic or explanation of things. He does not bend to the will of others in most situations. He ignores my territory, placing and moving objects as he sees fit; intruding on my space quite comfortably is common ground for my brother and more than that he, as a child, used to test my parents to see how much he could get away with where I was the quiet and obedient. I didn't go against the rules of my parents.

I bend to the will of my significant others quite easily; therefore there's no pushing required.

LSE are "directive" directors type; they direct the actions and certain beliefs of others around them; I look for this direction when I'm around them because I'm particularly sensitive to their mood; um, my dual cousin is a monitor of other people's actions quite keenly. When we are at a party and I sit ideally without interacting with anyone or doing things she will approach me and say "get up and dance." It's not "please get up and dance" or "oh I would love it if you danced with me." No, it's "get up and dance" as in NOW.

Other tasks, it's "you do this, this way."

[DaftPunk]

I usually do what LSE ask me to do and if that asking is in a specific manner or instruction, I follow it very closely; on rare occasion I will not do what they say, but it will always be followed with an explanation of why I thought that it wasn't a good idea. In you ex's or your gf's case, if I were still employed at that company, I wouldn't want to cast particular malice or emotional distance from me by the threat of a law suit. I would, however, have discussed this with an LSE extensively, making sure that most grounds were covered before such a decision was made.

Pushing someone to stand up for themselves is not related to Se. I can stand up for myself in a verbal expression of things that I express to be morally right/wrong, not only of myself but that of others too. Se is involved in apprehension of static aspects of elements, color, texture, style and mobilization for action. I know my abilities, as in what I can do but because of overwhelming choices, confusion is made about what I should do; I miss out on details about people despite trying very hard.

Se PoLR types don't like pushing people's boundaries, but that doesn't mean they can't express moral sentiments about what things people and societies do that is wrong/bad/unkind.

My brother is SEE, in many ways he is much more aware of my state (not space) than anything and is sensitive around me; he does take into control things which enhance or affirm his sensory experience like changing my economical and bad toilet paper into the super soft one; he gains explicit sense of pleasure from nice things and objects, where it's secondary to me, but because he likes things his way, he'll do it anyway no matter what my preferences are; my disagreement will only lend him to do it again silently but impertinently the next time; so, I can't win with him; I never really have been able to. He's very much about his sense experience despite my logic or explanation of things. He does not bend to the will of others in most situations. He ignores my territory, placing and moving objects as he sees fit; intruding on my space quite comfortably is common ground for my brother and more than that he, as a child, used to test my parents to see how much he could get away with where I was the quiet and obedient. I didn't go against the rules of my parents.

I bend to the will of my significant others quite easily; therefore there's no pushing required.

LSE are "directive" directors type; they direct the actions and certain beliefs of others around them; I look for this direction when I'm around them because I'm particularly sensitive to their mood; um, my dual cousin is a monitor of other people's actions quite keenly. When we are at a party and I sit ideally without interacting with anyone or doing things she will approach me and say "get up and dance." It's not "please get up and dance" or "oh I would love it if you danced with me." No, it's "get up and dance" as in NOW.

Other tasks, it's "you do this, this way."

I can act like that in certain situations but it's not my general mode of behaving

You're probably familiar with the big 5 test normally i score there

Extraversion-> Average

Conscentiousness-> slightly below average to below average

Neuroticism-> average to slightly above average

Agreeableness->average

Openness->slightly above average to above average

[DaftPunk]

@Daft21

@william

Just skimming this thread, you don't seem LSI. It seems abnormal for an LSI to say 'please', unless they're being curt and brief. And you seem more open-minded to considering other perspectives, and seem more Ne-valuing in general. I'd say Alpha/Delta for now.

Was a typing mistake i wanted to write LSE

I think i am more serious than merry and way more judicous than decisive.

Do you think i might be an ethical type? Because i think i am a logical sensor i narrowed it down to LSE and SLI. And @Maritsa did good work to convince me that i am LSE From the alpha quadra i considered LII once because its a thinking dominant type and i had troubles to decide if i prefer Ti or Te but i dont really see Se POLR and also not so much Ne as a creative function

[DaftPunk]

Ah, I see.

In my opinion, it's best not to listen to Maritsa's typings. She is one of the worst typers on this site, notoriously typing all new guys as LSE and new women as SEE. I can't recall the last time she typed a new guy, who's half-decent and social like you, as something other than LSE. I don't believe she is EII either, but rather mistyped. I don't want to go into it too much on this thread, but I wanted to warn you and possibly save time. Again, she may be right, I may be wrong, this is just my opinion.




Possibly you could be ethical. I'd have to spend more than 30 seconds skimming your posts for an exact typing, and I'm just checking the forum now periodically while at work. My best advice/suggestion would be to continuously post - I've found that over time, the variance between your posts and your natural, cognitive thought process narrows, and it becomes increasingly obvious what type you are. The more you post, the more your natural thoughts come out, and the easier it will be to type you.

Again, Alpha & Delta could be a good start, or Delta if you think you're a serious type. A good place to start looking into socionics and learning and exploring your type. Good luck!

Thanks, i also think it should be a thread about my type

What type would be your initial guess for me?

[DaftPunk]

My initial guess would be IEE, ENFp.

Your first-post here included the Reinin Dichotomies. While interesting, I don't really type that way. Intuitives love that stuff and eat it up for breakfast. You tried to type yourself by making connections with the dichotomies, as opposed to simply listing what you do, what you don't like to do, how you spend your time, etc. There wasn't really anything specific in your first post that makes me think you're a sensor.

Also, your writing style 'flows'. It doesn't seem concrete. You seem laid-back and relatable, with the 'everything is relative' mindset more.

You also don't seem concrete sequential, when it comes to grammatical rules. Throughout this entire thread, you've not capitalized the pronoun "I", but instead type a lowercase "i". While a bit anal, that bothers me a bit, and I know other LSEs like Director Abbie strive constantly to be grammatically correct.

You seem like you utilize Fi pretty easily in expressing how you feel. Not dramatic Fe, but in that you're able to clearly and confidently how you state about the picture that lungs posted, your feelings toward the relationship with your ex-girlfriend, etc. You also seem like you're diplomatic and able to maintain relationship distance well.

Lastly, your style of considering different functions & typings for yourself reminds me of fen, another IEE on the forum. The style itself seems very Ne to me, in taking a very open-ended approach to understanding each function, each possibility, how it could possibly fit and relate, and wanting to seek other people's opinions as considerations without firmly or confidently stating that anybody is wrong.

The tests you took seemed to indicate ST, but I really don't think those tests are great at all. Depending on your self-perception, you may test completely differently each time. I've taken multiple tests and can type differently how I feel. Besides, it's easy to understand what each question is asking for, and to get a certain result if you try.

I think the standing up for your ex-girlfriend could possibly be perceived as sensing, and it's not something typically IEEs would seem to do. However, that may be a special circumstance. I think guy IEEs come across differently than women IEEs. Also, ethical types can be very strong when they believe they are right, considering outspoken EIEs. And a confident IEE could easily stand up for themselves in that manner.

IEE would be my initial guess. Doesn't look like anybody else suggested it yet. Consider it a starting point. Again, the more you post, the more your natural style will come out. So no worries on trying to figure it out right now.

Interesting to hear an opposite opinion

English is not my motherlanguage but your right i switch often in writing.

What you wrote about the tests is really true it's easy to get a certain type

I choose the rainin dichotomies because i thought it's a good way to determine your type because with few accurate picks they should (at least after reinin) tell you your type.

I wouldn't say that im particulary laid-back but i can be very lazy. Though the "everything is relative" mindset fits me pretty well. There are eaven people who don't like to talk about politics with me anymore because i puzzle them to much. Most people just wanna know on which side you are lol

Hmm it's easy for me to know how i feel but that doesn't mean i show it outwardly or tell everyone. I am often in my brain and also like to study stuff that others consider as dry (I study law) I think the question is also about through which glasses you see the world and i could find arguments why i could be an ethical type for example because even though i make small decision often by logic my main decisions in life were made more by my heart.

What you wrote based on my style to find my type is very accurate i read a lot about stuff like POLR, HA and by studying the functions i could imagine many differents in my personal model A . That's also a reason why i wrote in my op so many possible types down. One to two days after i pick a type i start to doubt it thinking well i could also be this type

In general i dont have a problem to say something when i don't like something. Especially when it's not about myself. I think others also see that as a strenght of me. Well could also be Se HA

Edit:
Because i am pretty sure that i prefer Fi over Fe and Ne over Ni Delta makes sense a lot. I can also imagine how evrey beta type could be my conflictor. Not sure if it's a beta thing but i can't stand the motto that the group must stay together. Or slogans like we don't like that it's so 90's etc.