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    Is there such a thing as a lazy LSE?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Me.

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    I hardly think there is. Especially if you're geared towards "productivity."
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Come wipe my butt =( I forgot how to Si myself, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Is there such a thing as a lazy LSE?
    Is there such a thing as a stoner LSE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Is there such a thing as a stoner LSE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Is there such a thing as a stoner LSE?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Is there such a thing as a lazy LSE?
    I doubt it. But LSEs can be temporarily lazy on occasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I doubt it. But LSEs can be temporarily lazy on occasion.
    Like most people. People are rarely lazy by nature. Some just seem sluggish but it's more complicated than that.
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    thank you for answering your own question

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    Most description of LSE is just relaxing for a few minutes at a time, then bam ready to work.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Most description of LSE is just relaxing for a few minutes at a time, then bam ready to work.
    Is there a reason as to why you make threads asking questions to which you already know the answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    She was asking if anybody had any other experiences different than what was contained in the descriptions. Seeing how accurate the current theory is. Over a year later, do you see this difference?

    It continuously amuses me how people misunderstand Maritsa, and then attack her, but I seem to understand her perfectly. Maritsa, come live on my island with me.
    Are you really trying to come to her rescue over two off-hand posts I made over a year ago?

    If she wants to respond to my posts (which she never did), she can take that up on her own time. You don't need to play the white knight.

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    Dude, she is declaring type and we all know what that means. Maritsa knows shit and she doesn't need to ask anyone. And if it looks like she's asking something, it's actually just a kind of test. However, if we're too stupid she helps us by quickly answering the questions herself so we can't miss the right answer. Isn't that awesome?
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    I'm just getting hooked on to trivialities. It's not healthy behavior for me because if I had a dual, I would be doing something more productive and not dwelling on things/situations/scenarios which don't produce any further conclusions. So yes, it's more conclusions, or Judgements of Thinker/objective nature that I'm trying to make out of something trivial, probably Te seeking. Probably seeking for more information.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    Dude, she is declaring type and we all know what that means. Maritsa knows shit and she doesn't need to ask anyone. And if it looks like she's asking something, it's actually just a kind of test. However, if we're too stupid she helps us by quickly answering the questions herself so we can't miss the right answer. Isn't that awesome?
    I'm sure it suits you and your dual pair well to make convenient and ill founded conclusions based on assumptions without really understanding the subject at hand. I'm sure that helps both of you position yourselves in a position of power and authority. You're essentially saying that all I'm trying to do is feed you the answer I want you to have, hence I'm in the game for some power struggle and that you realize how to position yourself to counter this power that I'm trying to position against.

    Shame.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    I'm sure it suits you and your dual pair well to make convenient and ill founded conclusions based on assumptions without really understanding the subject at hand.
    Oh, you mean the thing you do 24/7?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    I'm sure that helps both of you position yourselves in a position of power and authority.
    Totally, me and my dual pals are the kings of this discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    You're essentially saying that all I'm trying to do is feed you the answer I want you to have, hence I'm in the game for some power struggle and that you realize how to position yourself to counter this power that I'm trying to position against.
    No, I don't think that you try to force this opinion on us. I believe you don't care at all what we think (and that's why you also didn't need out input to find an answer to the question).

    However, what I think is: You're making up shit about my intentions/motivations and use it to promote your typing of ILI for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    However, what I think is: You're making up shit about my intentions/motivations and use it to promote your typing of ILI for me.

    I noticed her doing that with me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    Oh, you mean the thing you do 24/7?
    Is that a question or a statement?




    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    Totally, me and my dual pals are the kings of this discussion.
    Glad to hear. I'm sure that can only be a positive thing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    No, I don't think that you try to force this opinion on us.
    You just said I did in the above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    I believe you don't care at all what we think (and that's why you also didn't need out input to find an answer to the question).
    ah, now you're changing your story, having sensed some disapproval against you and now you have to add another story to make your story look legitimate. "It's not what I said, or what I meant but it's really this other thing."

    Really, that's very immature. Just stick to ONE story, or is it that your type and your dual's type is incapable of sticking to one story (perhaps I should open up another thread to explore this angle some more - or is it another triviality?)

    In short, it's called trumping people around. A behavior which I find less than appealing, certainly very cruel.

    I did not invite you to respond to my thread and you didn't need an invitation, but having sense poor relations and inability to bring people closer, to form better relations with them, you could have done the better thing (who's to say what I say is better or worse?-another topic of exploration), and stayed away from me. "If you can't contribute something nice don't at all," but assuming some social etiquet holds, true, which I doubt it does in this or YOUR case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    However, what I think is: You're making up shit about my intentions/motivations and use it to promote your typing of ILI for me.
    It's obvious from the way you speak with me that I couldn't possibly ever value you as a quadra member.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I noticed her doing that with me too.
    She does it all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Is that a question or a statement?
    It is an rhetorical question to make you aware of the irony of your statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    You just said I did in the above.
    No, I did not. If you're referring to my first post in this thread you might realize that I was being ironic as well on second thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    ah, now you're changing your story, having sensed some disapproval against you and now you have to add another story to make your story look legitimate. "It's not what I said, or what I meant but it's really this other thing."

    Really, that's very immature. Just stick to ONE story, or is it that your type and your dual's type is incapable of sticking to one story (perhaps I should open up another thread to explore this angle some more - or is it another triviality?)
    As I said, I didn't change my "story", I'm just not agreeing with your interpretation of my behavior. You just think that you have understood what I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    It's obvious from the way you speak with me that I couldn't possibly ever value you as a quadra member.
    The same applies to me, but hell, you can't pick 'em, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    She does it all the time.



    It is an rhetorical question to make you aware of the irony of your statement.



    No, I did not. If you're referring to my first post in this thread you might realize that I was being ironic as well on second thought.



    As I said, I didn't change my "story", I'm just not agreeing with your interpretation of my behavior. You just think that you have understood what I said.



    The same applies to me, but hell, you can't pick 'em, right?
    Now let's try an exercise; look back at your posts in this thread, are they criticisms?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    I'm just getting hooked on to trivialities. It's not healthy behavior for me because if I had a dual, I would be doing something more productive and not dwelling on things/situations/scenarios which don't produce any further conclusions. So yes, it's more conclusions, or Judgements of Thinker/objective nature that I'm trying to make out of something trivial, probably Te seeking. Probably seeking for more information.
    .

    OK so now that you have recognized and identified the problem in yourself, why dont you try improving on that aspect of yourself instead of using socionics to make excuses for your weaknesses and relegating yourself to that stupid behavior because socionics might seem to "say" you're supposed to "be" that way. Recognizing ones weaknesses is the first step to changing that about yourself and there is no reason a human being cant perfect themselves, no matter what type they are.. I wouldn't count on waiting around for a dual to help fix all of your problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    OK so now that you have recognized and identified the problem in yourself, why dont you try improving on that aspect of yourself instead of using socionics to make excuses for your weaknesses and relegating yourself to that stupid behavior because socionics might seem to "say" you're supposed to "be" that way. Recognizing ones weaknesses is the first step to changing that about yourself and there is no reason a human being cant perfect themselves, no matter what type they are.. I wouldn't count on waiting around for a dual to help fix all of your problems.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    You need to go swimming. It will help you refresh yourself.
    so, i'm supposed to be taking advice from a self-admitted psychologically unhealthy person?
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    I know an LSE who was 'lazy' up until the age of 25. He took 6 years to graduate college with a 2-year degree, admitted he spent most of his time tailgating and partying.

    But then a radical change occurred. He had an opportunity to start his own business, and then pursued that with every fiber in his body, every minute of his waking day doing something productive. After 4 years of insanely hard work, each week 80+ hours at the minimum, he was able to develop a 6-figure income for his family. He is now 33 and lives happily with his wife at home with their brand new baby girl.

    His motto regarding laziness: "There are no lazy people, only uninspired people."

    So, to answer the question, I think an LSE, just like anyone can be unproductive at times, but no, I would not say there is such thing as a "lazy LSE", or anyone for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    so, i'm supposed to be taking advice from a self-admitted psychologically unhealthy person?
    You are unhealthy too and thus you've admitted several times, especially at you lamenting that you can't get men and I wonder why that is!

    Anyway yes, take my advice.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    I'm just getting hooked on to trivialities. It's not healthy behavior for me because if I had a dual, I would be doing something more productive and not dwelling on things/situations/scenarios which don't produce any further conclusions.
    Wait didn't you have that some Matt R Lohr or what's-his-name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Is there such a thing as a lazy LSE?
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    Well, genius research. If you take a group of people of equal "potential", those who try the hardest during the test have the best scores. Really impressive.
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    Ahahahah you make Maritsa's life a living hell, priceless
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    You can't be in my quadra, Pa3s. You're too much of a, hmm, space miner.

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    I'd just like to remind people that you won't necessarily like every person in your own quadra, and it's unlikely you'll like every single dual you meet. Conversely, you could have a great relationship with someone opposite quadra as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snaps View Post
    I'd just like to remind people that you won't necessarily like every person in your own quadra, and it's unlikely you'll like every single dual you meet. Conversely, you could have a great relationship with someone opposite quadra as you.
    You know what, Snaps? I don't think you're in my quadra as well, you snap fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    You know what, Snaps? I don't think you're in my quadra as well, you snap fingers.
    I'm glad we can agree on something.

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    My point being about is that it looks at what I've done already (as a compliment of Se) and extrapolates what I'm going to do in the future and doesn't let situations develop on their own accord, which is exactly what P-diddy is doing here
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    There are indeed times when I wish to live in a space station to orbit all those earthlings and send them a death ray or two...
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    my LSE neighbor was sitting next to me and a there was a beautiful light shining in the sky from afar. He took out his phone to take a picture of it and I said "it would be a nicer picture had that power line not been in the way." He agreed with me and said, "I should go take it from before that line so it's not in the picture, but I'm feeling lazy." Just as soon as he said that, he got up and went to take the picture...That's LSE form of "lazy" ...which is "yeah, I don't feel like it but it would be of better quality...so oust the feeling and do the job."
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    ... Neat story.

    Only LSEs ever of that sort of thing.
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    ESIs just throw their phones to the wind and hope it takes a goddamn "good" picture before it hits the ground. It is artsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    ESIs just throw their phones to the wind and hope it takes a goddamn "good" picture before it hits the ground. It is artsy.
    Lol. I had a friend who accidently dropped his camera out a train window, but was able to go out and snag it before the train left. It had taken a perfect photo of his head sticking out of the open window, face aghast as he watched it fall.
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