I just had an epiphany

[tcaudilllg]

We're testing people the wrong way. The correct means of testing is not to discriminate between types, but to prove whether or not a person IS a given type.

Thus instead of just one test, there should be sixteen.

[JWC3]

Um... This still really doesn't solve the problem of self delusion. I mean it is a neat idea though.

[Capitalist Pig]

If you set out to prove something specific, even if you know it to be completely untrue, chances are you will be successful.

[tcaudilllg]

The solution is a blind test, then.

I also think the type relations should come into play. For example, LSE would argue that people shouldn't be pushed to get things done, as per their criticism of LSI.

[JWC3]

The solution is a blind test, then.

I also think the type relations should come into play. For example, LSE would argue that people shouldn't be pushed to get things done, as per their criticism of LSI.

*shrugs* Once you make it I'll take it.

[Pa3s]

The solution is a blind test, then.

I always thought it's most problematic that the vast majority of us can so easily see through the tests and immediately understands what it's going to determine with each question. You just have to read something like "I like facts." and you know it's going to be a Te-related question (or "systems" for Ti, or "patterns" for Ni, or "possibilities" for Ne, ect). Every test we take is nothing more than a mirrored image of our current self-perception. (This adds to the fact that we subconsciously choose the options which bring us closer to our ideal self, and not necessarily reflect how we really are.)

I didn't take many tests lately, but I was in situations before in which I couldn't decide whether I'm ticking one option because I really think that it fits me or because I thought I'd "have" to choose it since the alternative one fits my self-typing and if I chose it I'd be biased by it. How can we improve that? Not very much I guess, it still works best (and most neutral) for people who are new to the theory. And it also doesn't change much if you take other words than "facts", ect. It will only cause confusion.

I guess the best way of typing for "advanced" socionics amateurs like us is to type each other. Tests have reached their limits in my opinion.

[Gravolez]

Tests are for people who have not read about socionics.
If you have read about socionics to the point where you can deceive tests deliberately then you should be able to type yourself correctly.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Tcaud: Instead of learning socionics objectively, you are allowing it to make you neurotic. You are thinking of crazy things that just aren't true.

You said a lot of things in this thread that are flat-out wrong about socionics. And normally that would not be a problem, if you were just trolling for fun like bg or cpig would. But it's a huge issue because you are lying while being serious about it. You are lying while thinking you are telling the truth, and thus you are driving yourself crazy.

As the most caring and compassionate gay man in the entire universe (critical people can fuck off because you know its true), can you please do yourself a favor and calm your mind down? Go back to understanding the basics of socionics instead of adding your own "Twists" to it. There is a way to artistically add your own flavor to socionics, but you cannot change its core law.

[Beautiful sky]

Tests are for people who have not read about socionics.
If you have read about socionics to the point where you can deceive tests deliberately then you should be able to type yourself correctly.

Some people don't have good self perception.

[Hays]

Some people don't have good self perception.

Some people just like tests.

Or to be tested.

Or hope to learn something new from the test.

[Beautiful sky]

Some people just like tests.

Or to be tested.

Or hope to learn something new from the test.

That was a test.

[Hays]

That was a test.

It was?

That was an easy test then.

What were the test results?

[Beautiful sky]

It was?

That was an easy test then.

What were the test results?

I didn't get a chance to get it; now it's out.

[NewBorn STAR]

Um... This still really doesn't solve the problem of self delusion. I mean it is a neat idea though.

I doubt there is anything that would solve "the problem" of self delusion

[JWC3]

I doubt there is anything that would solve "the problem" of self delusion

You're right, self delusion isn't a problem. It's part of everyone's personality, I'm talking in reference to test taking, in that context it is a problem because it scews the results.