am I infp???

[ashlesha]

itt I milk aestrivexs new typing of me for attention.

is my brain hooked up to the cosmic flow of time?
would I enjoy a good spanking?
am I a good cheerleader for beta group fe antics?
is aestrivexs bitch an accurate typing?

[NewBorn STAR]

itt I milk aestrivexs new typing of me for attention.

is my brain hooked up to the cosmic flow of time?
would I enjoy a good spanking?
am I a good cheerleader for beta group fe antics?
is aestrivexs bitch an accurate typing?

You tell me.

Most likely you wouldnt admit to liking spanking but thats all you desire bitch.

[fen]

I can't tell if this thread is sarcastic or not. Hehe.

Kassie, if you think it is a reasonable typing, then so be it! I'm terrible at typing people, but..I say sure. Try IEI on for size.

[ashlesha]

You tell me.

1. that doesn't even mean anything
2. yes, but i desire far more than that
3. i can't even do the splits
4. he has me wrapped around his finger

I can't tell if this thread is sarcastic or not. Hehe.

Kassie, if you think it is a reasonable typing, then so be it! I'm terrible at typing people, but..I say sure. Try IEI on for size.

ha, this is working perfectly!

iei was actually my very first self typing. i daydream a fair amount and i like masculine men.

[fen]

iei was actually my very first self typing. i daydream a fair amount and i like masculine men.

Hmm..IEI was my initial self-typing as well...that's why I was re-experimenting with it recently. Perhaps this fits you better. I guess we'll find out.

[Trevor]

where is his typing list? fwiw he types a lot of people IEI

http://www.socionics.ws/wiki/index.p...rivex/userlist

[Absurd]

itt I milk[..]

Blah4

[DirectorAbbie]

I think you're ESI.

[Saberstorm]

You are the identical to Absurd.

[ashlesha]

good one

[ashlesha]

i think my new avatar screams iei what do you guys think

[krieger]

you can be INFp imo

on a more serious note, ignore aestrivex. and kill him with an axe.

[Saberstorm]

i think my new avatar screams iei what do you guys think

That you eat lizards? What are you eating in the picture? A christmas tree?

[ashlesha]

That you eat lizards? What are you eating in the picture? A christmas tree?

thats not me, and its a butterfly.

http://www.ericaschreiner.com/ http://www.ericaschreiner.com/ http://www.ericaschreiner.com/

[Saberstorm]

ok. But I was just teasing.

[Lotus]

kassie, keep in mind niffweed thinks anY ashton-tYped isfjs are infps. he wrote an essaY on me being what's the word... exemplar infp or some shit i forget the term

[ashlesha]

lol forum politics. watching the dominoes fall. the "community" is a funny thing.

[NewBorn STAR]

lol forum politics. watching the dominoes fall. the "community" is a funny thing.

BEAWARE OF THE BLACKBADMAN

[woofwoofl]

still waiting for my NIFFWEED write-up

[Absurd]

You are the identical to Absurd.

Is there a reason as to why your not so funny face face pops up every time after giving me a blowjob?

kassie, keep in mind niffweed thinks anY ashton-tYped isfjs are infps. he wrote an essaY on me being what's the word... exemplar infp or some shit i forget the term

And this is exactly what I was talking about in chatbox yesterday. Damn, I'm smart and I'm getting smarter.

lol forum politics. watching the dominoes fall. the "community" is a funny thing.

You learned something. That's alright.

[Aquagraph]

What kind of daydreaming you practise? I intuitively feel that ESI and IEI daydreaming would be very different.
Maybe the ESI would have somehow more concrete dreams whereas IEI are in some places some would call escapist.

[ashlesha]

I had a conversation with an esi on here once about the nature of our daydreams. mine were more concrete than theirs though because they could forget reality completely. but I have to make accommodations. like I can't daydream, for example, about having magic powers unless I concoct some reason they appeared that seems reasonable to me. otherwise I can't really "believe" it enough to enjoy it lol. so more realistic in a way but also requiring more imaginative power too. I rarely daydream about magical stuff though. ninety nine percent of the time my daydreams are either romantic/sexual or imagining myself performing a song while I'm listening to it, with a person(s) in the audience hearing my message.

[noid]

EII or ESI imo

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Spanking is for wimps. Real Betas love FISTING. woof!!!

[Gilly]

I had a conversation with an esi on here once about the nature of our daydreams. mine were more concrete than theirs though because they could forget reality completely. but I have to make accommodations. like I can't daydream, for example, about having magic powers unless I concoct some reason they appeared that seems reasonable to me. otherwise I can't really "believe" it enough to enjoy it lol. so more realistic in a way but also requiring more imaginative power too. I rarely daydream about magical stuff though. ninety nine percent of the time my daydreams are either romantic/sexual or imagining myself performing a song while I'm listening to it, with a person(s) in the audience hearing my message.

Wow that sucks. I already kind of feel like/assume that I have magic powers...

[Gilly]

kassie, keep in mind niffweed thinks anY ashton-tYped isfjs are infps. he wrote an essaY on me being what's the word... exemplar infp or some shit i forget the term

Funny how they're both wrong...

[redbaron]

fyi, you can't be beta NF unless you have a black and white avatar.

[marooned]

like I can't daydream, for example, about having magic powers unless I concoct some reason they appeared that seems reasonable to me. otherwise I can't really "believe" it enough to enjoy it lol.

I might relate to something similar to this. It's behind my writer's block usually. I may want to write a particular scenario particularly between already established characters, and then I get lost in the "but why would they do that" and if I need a particular set of circumstances for that to be answered, then why did those circumstances happen and it all has to be in a way where I can buy it, and often I can't in a way that I like. I need an entire world and time created just to enable two characters to interact in a particular way. Although in my case I often think it's a lack of imaginative powers. So I kind of put it off waiting until the "world" forms more, which it never forms well enough to my satisfaction. This kind of reminds me of work on movies and the people who design things like cities and buildings in them and every little detail of it and I feel I can't get down to these tiny important details. I know in general what I would want to see and would be able to look at it and think "that's it" or "that's not it, it's off because of x or y" but I can't seem to form the whole thing in my head. Although listening to various commentaries on DVDs I'm sometimes floored by how unimaginative some of the writers and directors seem and I don't understand how they got so far in their field. I imagine it's because it's a craft and there are blocks to stories (the structure of stories) that are already established and repeated over and over and so you can actually mechanically construct the entire thing if you have mastered the "craft." But anyway this happens in my mind as well with various fantasies, where I try to set up the "what allowed this to be" for it and I feel I can't believe it and it's difficult to continue on when I can't get a premise that makes sense to me enough that it seems real in my head. I think I feel constipated in this region: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishuddha. I wasn't always so, but I am these days. I can't even get to the expression part because I can't clear up all the internal "behind it" things. (Disclaimer: I don't have some great belief in chakras, but I find that something about it kind of makes sense and can be used to at least say something and so I have no interest in dismissing the idea, especially since I really don't know anything anyway and I find the idea kind of meaningful, possibly having something to it, and appealing.)

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Anyway, unrelatedly, one opinion I do have about your type is that you're an intuitive (not Ne PoLR... I mean, to me Ne PoLR seems an almost crazy idea given the sort of mind that may be behind your posts). I don't know how to elaborate.

[ashlesha]

@Loki

i believe in chakras just as much as i believe in socionics or any other metaphysical idea. as concepts that can be used but not to be "believed" in. just words that can be used in lieu of a more drawn-out explanation of the same thing. like i came across a description of some chakra awhile back that really described something pertinent in my life and i was like "ohh i think my x chakra is blocked" or something. and it wasn't because i honestly thought i had something called a chakra and it was literally blocked lol. it was just a really quick way to say "this is whats going on with my emotional/mental landscape right now: blah blah blah blah blah etc."

i'm curious about your take on ne polr. almost everyone seems to agree i'm fi and arguments for either eii or esi seem to either be: "there's no way you're se polr" or "there's no way you're ne polr." and there are a couple key things people point to as proof of either theory but i've never seen a really comprehensive explanation that filled all the holes and creases my brain wants filled. for the record i don't think this is due to a flaw in anybodys reasoning or anything like that. i think its just that the theory is imperfect and thats just the way it is - i'm not se polr or ne polr because i'm just not lol. but i still get hungry for that explanation anyways because i'm a rational creature i guess.

i dont mind being seen as iei though, if it floats anybodys boat. ieis are the mysterious nymph type so thats hawt.

[Absurd]

How are dreams concrete, anyway?

[FDG]

Doesn't seem like IP would be a good fit.

[krieger]

i think part of the reason for the confusion is the idea that people can not value any variant of Ne and Se at the same time. under Gulenko's theories, that isn't true. in fact, valuing one form of Ne and the form of Se of the opposite +/- sign is, according to him, the default situation.

@ kassie if you could be a type that had Ego Block Ne and was gamma Se valuing (though not necessarily strong), would that be a good fit?

[Absurd]

i think part of the reason for the confusion is the idea that people can not value any variant of Ne and Se at the same time. under Gulenko's theories, that isn't true. in fact, valuing one form of Ne and the form of Se of the opposite +/- sign is, according to him, the default situation.

What do you value under Gulenko the ripper of cognitive styles. I'm curious.

[ashlesha]

@ kassie if you could be a type that had Ego Block Ne and was gamma Se valuing (though not necessarily strong), would that be a good fit?

*head explodes*

[krieger]

*head explodes*

did your head explode in a good or bad way?

[Gilly]

fyi, you can't be beta NF unless you have a black and white avatar.

Fact

[ashlesha]

Suggests that you're result > process sincet he latter religious-ifies their experience of things.

for anybody who takes my views as far as that stuff into account, i didn't always see concepts this way. i used to reify them a lot more and i caused myself a lot of frustration. the fact that a lot of help from some ni egos on the forum helped me to understand concepts in this way, and that this relieved a lot of my stress and probably stopped me from either having a worse shit-fit or leaving altogether, has influenced my self-perception type-wise. and the reason i talk about it a lot is because it WASN'T always obvious to me. so its kind of like HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT. lol.

[ashlesha]

did your head explode in a good or bad way?

i am just so sick of those kinds of questions i'm sorry lol

i would say more but i have a meeting in a few minutes, maybe i'll come back to this but it seriously makes my head hurt

[krieger]

hahah, that's ok. i kinda realized it was an obnoxious question.

[marooned]

Loki, your post makes me curious which type you currently self-type as, and which types you used to self-type as, and for how long. Also what others commonly type you.

Um, I'm not sure I really trust you. I'm sure you're well meaning and all, but I'm afraid you see things in these blocky ways and would just turn anything I said into blocks. Not to say you do or would, but anyway. (I don't know who you are.)

I've tried answering your post kassie but I don't know if I'm going to. I really feel there's this huge social tide about how Soc. is understood on the forum and who is what type via social arrangements, mainly because well Socionics is such goo that it may not be possible for it to stand alone without using others as reference points. So the social mess emerges.

I suppose I can say that this (from the forum Wiki) describes Ne PoLR in a short and simple way, which I'm sure everyone knows about so there's no point in posting it:

A type with PoLR has a difficult time understanding ideas that seem new or novel, especially when it has no tangible effect on their lives. Leaving little to chance, they are able to plan out their lives for years ahead of time. [that's the Ni HA part of it] This results in difficulties handling unexpected problems in their lives that put a halt on their usual pursuits, and they tend to fear all the possible "what-if's" when those problems prevent them from seeing a clear future. [I see this as over-reliance on the "plan" because one can't see what might suddenly pop out of the water along the way and so the plan/path has to be "perfect" so as to avoid all of these unforeseen things and if there is no plan then it's the end of the world--anything could happen, you won't see any of it coming, and it's such a cause for anxiety.] When unsure about something, these types can either avoid making any changes at all or making too quick and reckless of a decision, [Se cre plays in there] either of which resulting in missed opportunities.

I really do think that on Socioncs' terms (as in if its called a pseudo-theory and if it had its own terms, sort of like if "it" was a unit and could say, "I am Socionics and this is how I see it all"), that's fairly close to the core of what Ne PoLR is supposed to mean. And it does rather make sense to me as I can see it describing a couple of people I know, so this "thing" is then isolated out of the ether as a concept and given the name "Ne PoLR." I think I probably see a lot of this in the context of action where Se creatives are sometimes rather action-oriented people and interested in carrying out actions to meet their goals, so being unsure can kind of stop them dead in their tracks and is a hang up that has to be overcome so they can continue on or something.

I guess I don't really see it as needing others to help one with their understanding of something so they aren't driven mad about how to look at it. I guess that would imply they can't understand it because they have no Ne and so they have to sub in Ni to reach a "higher" understanding transcending the question or something. And I do think that Socionics because it is this goo does confront everyone really with this huge uncertain picture where it can be a question of how does one integrate it into their mind so it makes sense (the need for it to make sense and clear up the painful confusion, and on the other end, the difficulty pulling away until one finally "understands," perhaps not terribly unlike a moth to a flame).

I don't know, if I think of a type like LSI, "they" seem like they're often sure about how to view everything. But on the other side of that I would suspect the collapse of their entire worldview would be far more harrowing than for a type that is more default not sure how to view everything. So perhaps it's along extremes with Ne PoLR. Either you're entirely certain, or entirely not, and the middle ground is less of an easy or frequent place to be? And it's mainly that Se creative can't work in conditions where everything's an unknown. This is an IME arrangment that has to make decisions that lead directly to actions (I'm having language problems with using IME that way). Wallowing about in the muck of uncertainty renders it unable to function. I mean you can just remove that from anything having to do with Socionics and it's still kind of true-seeming.

It's like the Xena-Gabrielle debate (not that I see Xena as Ne PoLR):

X: You got any better ideas?
G: You're asking me? Well, that's a first. You know, ever since we've met, you've always made the decisions.
X: Because you take forever to make one! Always weighing the pros and cons.

(Out of the two of them, Xena is the one who rather quickly leaps into action. She can't do that if she has to spend all day going through all the possibilities and implications, and then doubting them. She would become ineffective and unable to operate.)