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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Iran, probably a indication of how bad the nuke negotiations are going...

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    No shit.

    I'm 24. I'm moving to Canada.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Section 601. a-2

    ruh roh
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

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    I'm concerned Obama may be taking his Si too seriously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Section 601. a-2

    ruh roh
    Yeah.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    The whole middle east thing is most likely a cover for pouring money into the budget and justifying moves like this, in response to the real threat [or perceived threat] which is aliens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Yikes. Obama = ******? Sounds like a huge power grab.

    Speaking of, I was talking to a friend yesterday who predicts a thermonuclear war. He predicts that a nuke will destroy the federal buildings in DC and the radioactive fall out will kill everything around it for miles. After that, things will run on a backup system causing the US to become very twisted.

    Israel and Iran are not looking too good.
    Bad scenario doesn't mean worst case scenario. I think people tend to see that something in the middle is more likely to happen, such as a blockade on vital oil channels by Tehran. If anything gets nuked, it'll be Israel or Iran itself, the capability of delivering a nuclear weapon to Israel is far greater then delivering something to the US. The US really isn't in a terrorist bind as much as a resources bind, which is why this thing is resources based, a loss of 1-2 million barrels of oil could cause shortages and a seize up of the distribution networks in the US which would cause a lot of economic turmoil.

    It's a bad situation, kinda of like bay of pigs, but it's nothing the US hasn't done before.

    Contrary to popular belief, Iran isn't run by terrorist jihadis in caves. Their government is a fairly modern totalitarian dictatorship which can proceed with the building of nuclear weapons, they have a pretty good grasp on the things they can do to damage America in the event of war. However, this is a good indicator that Iran isn't backing down and is willing to proceed in their nuclear development program.

    NK has nukes and they're far more likely to deploy those against Japan than any other country, still this isn't likely. There are limits to missile technology and countries like NK/Iran are likely to use these weapons to destroy the US carrier fleet/etc rather then use it offensively.

    EDIT: Also would like to note, I'm moving to Brazil and starting a commune, everyone is welcome!

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    The cold war was a farse and this is probably no different. If you read the comments by the Iranian government, they sound reasonable. The american media is sensationalizing this for a reason. This is just an extension of the war in Iraq. The same motivation which pressed us into attacking our own country and invading Iraq, is pressing us now with Iran. It's an excuse to grow the black budget which funds everything we do regarding aliens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratremix View Post
    The cold war was a farse and this is probably no different. If you read the comments by the Iranian government, they sound reasonable. The american media is sensationalizing this for a reason. This is just an extension of the war in Iraq. The same motivation which pressed us into attacking our own country and invading Iraq, is pressing us now with Iran. It's an excuse to grow the black budget which funds everything we do regarding aliens.

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    and I don't care cuz I'm gona speak regardless.

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    The Obama administration is baffling as of late. I get the impression Obama wants neither the right nor the left to understand what his intentions are. On the one hand, this is giving the right wing hope that they are manipulating him successfully. On the other hand, it's fueling the fears of the left that he doesn't share their values, or else is unwilling to insist on what we would call the harmony of the elements. This is dangerous for him because the things the Republicans are trying to make him do are seriously deleterious, recipes for escalating confrontation between the left and right wing. The left doesn't want to have to keep facing these matters: it wants, at any price, a turning of the page and a movement to the next era. It has tired of confrontation with Christian evangelicals and wants decisive freedom from their influence. It is suspicious of Democratic party politicians and is looking for a way to institutionalize the marginalization of evangelicals. However, this is actually a goal of a majority of Americans -- it's safety net issues that keep the evangelicals in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    The Obama administration is baffling as of late. I get the impression Obama wants neither the right nor the left to understand what his intentions are. On the one hand, this is giving the right wing hope that they are manipulating him successfully. On the other hand, it's fueling the fears of the left that he doesn't share their values, or else is unwilling to insist on what we would call the harmony of the elements. This is dangerous for him because the things the Republicans are trying to make him do are seriously deleterious, recipes for escalating confrontation between the left and right wing. The left doesn't want to have to keep facing these matters: it wants, at any price, a turning of the page and a movement to the next era. It has tired of confrontation with Christian evangelicals and wants decisive freedom from their influence. It is suspicious of Democratic party politicians and is looking for a way to institutionalize the marginalization of evangelicals. However, this is actually a goal of a majority of Americans -- it's safety net issues that keep the evangelicals in the game.
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    Section 6. National Security and Interception Procedures

    5-6-1. National Security

    a. National security in the control of air traffic is governed by 14 CFR Part 99.

    b. All aircraft entering domestic U.S. airspace from points outside must provide for identification prior to entry. To facilitate early aircraft identification of all aircraft in the vicinity of U.S. and international airspace boundaries, Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ) have been established.

    REFERENCE-
    AIM, ADIZ Boundaries and Designated Mountainous Areas,
    Paragraph 5-6-5.

    c. Operational requirements for aircraft operations associated with an ADIZ are as follows:

    1. Flight Plan. Except as specified in subparagraphs d and e below, an IFR or DVFR flight plan must be filed with an appropriate aeronautical facility as follows:

    (a) Generally, for all operations that enter an ADIZ.

    (b) For operations that will enter or exit the U.S. and which will operate into, within or across the Contiguous U.S. ADIZ regardless of true airspeed.

    (c) The flight plan must be filed before departure except for operations associated with the Alaskan ADIZ when the airport of departure has no facility for filing a flight plan, in which case the flight plan may be filed immediately after takeoff or when within range of the aeronautical facility.

    2. Two‐way Radio. For the majority of operations associated with an ADIZ, an operating two‐way radio is required. See 14 CFR Section 99.1 for exceptions.

    3. Transponder Requirements. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, each aircraft conducting operations into, within, or across the Contiguous U.S. ADIZ must be equipped with an operable radar beacon transponder having altitude reporting capability (Mode C), and that transponder must be turned on and set to reply on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC.

    4. Position Reporting.

    (a) For IFR flight. Normal IFR position reporting.

    (b) For DVFR flights. The estimated time of ADIZ penetration must be filed with the aeronautical facility at least 15 minutes prior to penetration except for flight in the Alaskan ADIZ, in which case report prior to penetration.

    (c) For inbound aircraft of foreign registry. The pilot must report to the aeronautical facility at least one hour prior to ADIZ penetration.

    5. Aircraft Position Tolerances.

    (a) Over land, the tolerance is within plus or minus five minutes from the estimated time over a reporting point or point of penetration and within 10 NM from the centerline of an intended track over an estimated reporting point or penetration point.

    (b) Over water, the tolerance is plus or minus five minutes from the estimated time over a reporting point or point of penetration and within 20 NM from the centerline of the intended track over an estimated reporting point or point of penetration (to include the Aleutian Islands).

    6. Land-Based ADIZ. Land-Based ADIZ are activated and deactivated over U.S. metropolitan areas as needed, with dimensions, activation dates and other relevant information disseminated via NOTAM.

    (a) In addition to requirements outlined in subparagraphs c1 through c3, pilots operating within a Land-Based ADIZ must report landing or leaving the Land-Based ADIZ if flying too low for radar coverage.

    (b) Pilots unable to comply with all requirements must remain clear of Land-Based ADIZ. Pilots entering a Land-Based ADIZ without authorization or who fail to follow all requirements risk interception by military fighter aircraft.

    d. Except when applicable under 14 CFR Section 99.7, 14 CFR Part 99 does not apply to aircraft operations:

    1. Within the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia, or within the State of Alaska, and remains within 10 miles of the point of departure;

    2. Over any island, or within three nautical miles of the coastline of any island, in the Hawaii ADIZ; or

    3. Associated with any ADIZ other than the Contiguous U.S. ADIZ, when the aircraft true airspeed is less than 180 knots.

    e. Authorizations to deviate from the requirements of Part 99 may also be granted by the ARTCC, on a local basis, for some operations associated with an ADIZ.

    f. An airfiled VFR Flight Plan makes an aircraft subject to interception for positive identification when entering an ADIZ. Pilots are, therefore, urged to file the required DVFR flight plan either in person or by telephone prior to departure.

    g. Special Security Instructions.

    1. During defense emergency or air defense emergency conditions, additional special security instructions may be issued in accordance with the Emergency Security Control of Air Traffic (ESCAT) Plan.

    2. Under the provisions of the ESCAT Plan, the military will direct the action to be taken in regard to landing, grounding, diversion, or dispersal of aircraft and the control of air navigation aids in the defense of the U.S. during emergency conditions.

    3. At the time a portion or all of ESCAT is implemented, ATC facilities will broadcast appropriate instructions received from the Air Traffic Control System Command Center (ATCSCC) over available ATC frequencies. Depending on instructions received from the ATCSCC, VFR flights may be directed to land at the nearest available airport, and IFR flights will be expected to proceed as directed by ATC.

    4. Pilots on the ground may be required to file a flight plan and obtain an approval (through FAA) prior to conducting flight operation.

    5. In view of the above, all pilots should guard an ATC or FSS frequency at all times while conducting flight operations.

    5-6-2. Interception Procedures

    a. General.

    1. In conjunction with the FAA, Air Defense Sectors monitor air traffic and could order an intercept in the interest of national security or defense. Intercepts during peacetime operations are vastly different than those conducted under increased states of readiness. The interceptors may be fighters or rotary wing aircraft. The reasons for aircraft intercept include, but are not limited to:

    (a) Identify an aircraft;

    (b) Track an aircraft;

    (c) Inspect an aircraft;

    (d) Divert an aircraft;

    (e) Establish communications with an aircraft.

    2. When specific information is required (i.e., markings, serial numbers, etc.) the interceptor pilot(s) will respond only if, in their judgment, the request can be conducted in a safe manner. Intercept procedures are described in some detail in the paragraphs below. In all situations, the interceptor pilot will consider safety of flight for all concerned throughout the intercept procedure. The interceptor pilot(s) will use caution to avoid startling the intercepted crew or passengers and understand that maneuvers considered normal for interceptor aircraft may be considered hazardous to other aircraft.

    3. All aircraft operating in US national airspace are highly encouraged to maintain a listening watch on VHF/UHF guard frequencies (121.5 or 243.0 MHz). If subjected to a military intercept, it is incumbent on civilian aviators to understand their responsibilities and to comply with ICAO standard signals relayed from the intercepting aircraft. Specifically, aviators are expected to contact air traffic control without delay (if able) on the local operating frequency or on VHF/UHF guard. Noncompliance may result in the use of force.

    b. Fighter intercept phases (See FIG 5-6-1).

    1. Approach Phase.
    As standard procedure, intercepted aircraft are approached from behind. Typically, interceptor aircraft will be employed in pairs, however, it is not uncommon for a single aircraft to perform the intercept operation. Safe separation between interceptors and intercepted aircraft is the responsibility of the intercepting aircraft and will be maintained at all times.

    2. Identification Phase.
    Interceptor aircraft will initiate a controlled closure toward the aircraft of interest, holding at a distance no closer than deemed necessary to establish positive identification and to gather the necessary information. The interceptor may also fly past the intercepted aircraft while gathering data at a distance considered safe based on aircraft performance characteristics.

    3. Post Intercept Phase.
    An interceptor may attempt to establish communications via standard ICAO signals. In time*critical situations where the interceptor is seeking an immediate response from the intercepted aircraft or if the intercepted aircraft remains non*compliant to instruction, the interceptor pilot may initiate a divert maneuver. In this maneuver, the interceptor flies across the intercepted aircraft's flight path (minimum 500 feet separation and commencing from slightly below the intercepted aircraft altitude) in the general direction the intercepted aircraft is expected to turn. The interceptor will rock its wings (daytime) or flash external lights/select afterburners (night) while crossing the intercepted aircraft's flight path. The interceptor will roll out in the direction the intercepted aircraft is expected to turn before returning to verify the aircraft of interest is complying. The intercepted aircraft is expected to execute an immediate turn to the direction of the intercepting aircraft. If the aircraft of interest does not comply, the interceptor may conduct a second climbing turn across the intercepted aircraft's flight path (minimum 500 feet separation and commencing from slightly below the intercepted aircraft altitude) while expending flares as a warning signal to the intercepted aircraft to comply immediately and to turn in the direction indicated and to leave the area. The interceptor is responsible to maintain safe separation during these and all intercept maneuvers. Flight safety is paramount.

    NOTE-
    1. NORAD interceptors will take every precaution to preclude the possibility of the intercepted aircraft experiencing jet wash/wake turbulence; however, there is a potential that this condition could be encountered.

    2. During Night/IMC, the intercept will be from below flight path.
    FIG 5-6-1
    Intercept Procedures

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    c. Helicopter Intercept phases (See FIG 5-6-2)

    1. Approach Phase.
    Aircraft intercepted by helicopter may be approached from any direction, although the helicopter should close for identification and signaling from behind. Generally, the helicopter will approach off the left side of the intercepted aircraft. Safe separation between the helicopter and the unidentified aircraft will be maintained at all times.

    2. Identification Phase.
    The helicopter will initiate a controlled closure toward the aircraft of interest, holding at a distance no closer than deemed necessary to establish positive identification and gather the necessary information. The intercepted pilot should expect the interceptor helicopter to take a position off his left wing slightly forward of abeam.

    3. Post Intercept Phase.
    Visual signaling devices may be used in an attempt to communicate with the intercepted aircraft. Visual signaling devices may include, but are not limited to, LED scrolling signboards or blue flashing lights. If compliance is not attained through the use of radios or signaling devices, standard ICAO intercept signals (Table 5*6*1) may be employed. In order to maintain safe aircraft separation, it is incumbent upon the pilot of the intercepted aircraft not to fall into a trail position (directly behind the helicopter) if instructed to follow the helicopter. This is because the helicopter pilot may lose visual contact with the intercepted aircraft.

    NOTE-
    Intercepted aircraft must not follow directly behind the helicopter thereby allowing the helicopter pilot to maintain visual contact with the intercepted aircraft and ensuring safe separation is maintained.
    FIG 5-6-2
    Helicopter Intercept Procedures

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    d. Summary of Intercepted Aircraft Actions. An intercepted aircraft must, without delay:

    1. Adhere to instructions relayed through the use of visual devices, visual signals, and radio communications from the intercepting aircraft.

    2. Attempt to establish radio communications with the intercepting aircraft or with the appropriate air traffic control facility by making a general call on guard frequencies (121.5 or 243.0 MHz), giving the identity, position, and nature of the flight.

    3. If transponder equipped, select Mode 3/A Code 7700 unless otherwise instructed by air traffic control.

    NOTE-
    If instruction received from any agency conflicts with that given by the intercepting aircraft through visual or radio communications, the intercepted aircraft must seek immediate clarification.

    4. The crew of the intercepted aircraft must continue to comply with interceptor aircraft signals and instructions until positively released.

    5-6-3. Law Enforcement Operations by Civil and Military Organizations

    a. Special law enforcement operations.

    1. Special law enforcement operations include in‐flight identification, surveillance, interdiction, and pursuit activities performed in accordance with official civil and/or military mission responsibilities.

    2. To facilitate accomplishment of these special missions, exemptions from specified sections of the CFRs have been granted to designated departments and agencies. However, it is each organization's responsibility to apprise ATC of their intent to operate under an authorized exemption before initiating actual operations.

    3. Additionally, some departments and agencies that perform special missions have been assigned coded identifiers to permit them to apprise ATC of ongoing mission activities and solicit special air traffic assistance.

    5-6-4. Interception Signals

    TBL 5-6-1 and TBL 5-6-2.

    TBL 5-6-1
    Intercepting Signals

    INTERCEPTING SIGNALS
    Signals initiated by intercepting aircraft and responses by intercepted aircraft
    (as set forth in ICAO Annex 2‐Appendix 1, 2.1)

    Series


    INTERCEPTING Aircraft Signals


    Meaning


    INTERCEPTED Aircraft Responds


    Meaning

    1


    DAY-Rocking wings from a position slightly above and ahead of, and normally to the left of, the intercepted aircraft and, after acknowledgement, a slow level turn, normally to the left, on to the desired heading.

    NIGHT‐Same and, in addition, flashing navigational lights at irregular intervals.

    NOTE 1-Meteorological conditions or terrain may require the intercepting aircraft to take up a position slightly above and ahead of, and to the right of, the intercepted aircraft and to make the subsequent turn to the right.

    NOTE 2-If the intercepted aircraft is not able to keep pace with the intercepting aircraft, the latter is expected to fly a series of race-track patterns and to rock its wings each time it passes the intercepted aircraft.


    You have been intercepted. Follow me.


    AEROPLANES:
    DAY-Rocking wings and following.





    NIGHT-Same and, in addition, flashing
    navigational lights at irregular intervals.






    HELICOPTERS:
    DAY or NIGHT-Rocking aircraft, flashing navigational lights at irregular intervals and following.


    Understood, will comply.

    2


    DAY or NIGHT-An abrupt break-away maneuver from the intercepted aircraft consisting of a climbing turn of 90 degrees or more without crossing the line of flight of the intercepted aircraft.


    You may
    proceed.


    AEROPLANES:
    DAY or NIGHT‐Rocking wings.

    HELICOPTERS:
    DAY or NIGHT-Rocking aircraft.


    Understood, will comply.

    3


    DAY-Circling aerodrome, lowering landing gear and overflying runway in direction of landing or, if the intercepted aircraft is a helicopter, overflying the helicopter landing area.

    NIGHT-Same and, in addition, showing steady landing lights.


    Land at this aerodrome.


    AEROPLANES:
    DAY-Lowering landing gear, following the intercepting aircraft and, if after overflying the runway landing is considered safe, proceeding to land.

    NIGHT-Same and, in addition, showing steady landing lights (if carried).

    HELICOPTERS:
    DAY or NIGHT‐Following the intercepting aircraft and proceeding to land, showing a steady landing light (if carried).


    Understood, will comply.

    TBL 5-6-2
    Intercepting Signals

    INTERCEPTING SIGNALS
    Signals and Responses During Aircraft Intercept
    Signals initiated by intercepted aircraft and responses by intercepting aircraft
    (as set forth in ICAO Annex 2‐Appendix 1, 2.2)

    Series


    INTERCEPTED Aircraft Signals


    Meaning


    INTERCEPTING Aircraft Responds


    Meaning

    4


    DAY or NIGHT-Raising landing gear (if fitted) and flashing landing lights while passing over runway in use or helicopter landing area at a height exceeding 300m (1,000 ft) but not exceeding 600m (2,000 ft) (in the case of a helicopter, at a height exceeding 50m (170 ft) but not exceeding 100m (330 ft) above the aerodrome level, and continuing to circle runway in use or helicopter landing area. If unable to flash landing lights, flash any other lights available.


    Aerodrome you have designated is inadequate.


    DAY or NIGHT-If it is desired that the intercepted aircraft follow the intercepting aircraft to an alternate aerodrome, the intercepting aircraft raises its landing gear (if fitted) and uses the Series 1 signals prescribed for intercepting aircraft.


    If it is decided to release the intercepted aircraft, the intercepting aircraft uses the Series 2 signals prescribed for intercepting aircraft.


    Understood, follow me.






    Understood, you may
    proceed.

    5


    DAY or NIGHT-Regular switching on and off of all available lights but in such a manner as to be distinct from flashing lights.


    Cannot comply.


    DAY or NIGHT‐Use Series 2 signals prescribed for intercepting aircraft.


    Understood.

    6


    DAY or NIGHT-Irregular flashing of all available lights.


    In distress.


    DAY or NIGHT‐Use Series 2 signals prescribed for intercepting aircraft.


    Understood.

    5-6-5. ADIZ Boundaries and Designated Mountainous Areas (See FIG 5-6-3.)
    FIG 5-6-3
    Air Defense Identification Zone Boundaries
    Designated Mountainous Areas

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    5-6-6. Visual Warning System (VWS)

    The VWS signal consists of highly*focused red and green colored laser lights designed to illuminate in an alternating red and green signal pattern. These lasers may be directed at specific aircraft suspected of making unauthorized entry into the Washington, DC Special Flight Rules Area (DC SFRA) proceeding on a heading or flight path that may be interpreted as a threat or that operate contrary to the operating rules for the DC SFRA. The beam is neither hazardous to the eyes of pilots/aircrew or passengers, regardless of altitude or distance from the source nor will the beam affect aircraft systems.

    a. If you are communicating with ATC, and this signal is directed at your aircraft, you are required to contact ATC and advise that you are being illuminated by a visual warning system.

    b. If this signal is directed at you, and you are not communicating with ATC, you are advised to turn to the most direct heading away from the center of the DC SFRA as soon as possible. Immediately contact ATC on an appropriate frequency, VHF Guard 121.5 or UHF Guard 243.0, and provide your aircraft identification, position, and nature of the flight. Failure to follow these procedures may result in interception by military aircraft. Further noncompliance with interceptor aircraft or ATC may result in the use of force.

    c. Pilots planning to operate aircraft in or near the DC SFRA are to familiarize themselves with aircraft intercept procedures. This information applies to all aircraft operating within the DC SFRA including DOD, Law Enforcement, and aircraft engaged in aeromedical operations and does not change procedures established for reporting unauthorized laser illumination as published in FAA Advisory Circulars and Notices.

    REFERENCE-
    CFR 91.161

    d. More details including a video demonstration of the VWS are available from the following FAA web site: http://www.faasafety.gov/VisualWarni...ualWarning.htm.

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