Might as well

[momental]

So. I've decided to branch off into the world of Socionics. Hmmmm... So I'll start describing.

I am loud. I can't be quiet, I've tried. I love scheming, making a plan is a beautiful thing actually implementing the plan is not always the goal. I would say that I am straightforward, but can be gentle in my manner. I do not aim to be impolite... I just can sound like that at times....... Yeah, I don't know where else to go with this. Perhaps I could mention my need for introspection, but action is far more important.

Ask me stuff. I'll try to answer.

[DirectorAbbie]

Extrovert. Intuitive. Probably logical. ILE?

[momental]

Extrovert. Intuitive. Probably logical. ILE?

I usually vary between feeling like an ILE and an ILI. The loudness isn't so much a personality trait as a physical impairment, and not so much a crutch as it is who I am by design.

[Beautiful sky]

If a person should ever end up on a trial by jury, they don't want an Ni type on their jury because they are not going to be impartial or they want an Ni type who is partial to them.

[Saberstorm]

I think the problem is that Martisa has not yet sucked any of that LSE cock she craves.

[Beautiful sky]

What do you mean by you're loud? Describe a situation where this happens.

[momental]

What do you mean by you're loud? Describe a situation where this happens.

When I speak? I suppose I'm just a loud person... I can't whisper.

[DirectorAbbie]

When I speak? I suppose I'm just a loud person... I can't whisper.

My LII brother knows how to be quiet, but it's like it takes too much concentration. I've needed to keep reminding him that we are in a library, he's standing one foot from my ears, or people are trying to sleep.

[momental]

My LII brother knows how to be quiet, but it's like it takes too much concentration. I've needed to keep reminding him that we are in a library, he's standing one foot from my ears, or people are trying to sleep.

In those instances I could easily not speak, I can remain silent for great periods of time. I do try respect other peoples boundaries.

[fairylights]

So you make plans that you don't want to implement but you're still action oriented? How?

[momental]

So you make plans that you don't want to implement but you're still action oriented? How?

It's more of making the plans and then determining after a certain amount of creation to select the appropriate one to act upon. The quicker between the creation and action taken the better . Not all plans are created equal.

[momental]

So, I have effectively killed off all input. LIE it is.

[fairylights]

So do you want more input or not?

Anyway, I found @Traveler's questions helpful in my thread, so here they are with a couple of additions of my own.

1. What kind of lifestyle do you have?
2. Do you enjoy debating and what kind of topics do you prefer to discuss?
3. How would you describe your overall behavior around others?
4. What do you like about the people you like and dislike about the people you dislike?

[momental]

So do you want more input or not?

Anyway, I found @Traveler's questions helpful in my thread, so here they are with a couple of additions of my own.

1. What kind of lifestyle do you have?
2. Do you enjoy debating and what kind of topics do you prefer to discuss?
3. How would you describe your overall behavior around others?
4. What do you like about the people you like and dislike about the people you dislike?

Number one. Lifestyle..... My lifestyle tends to be a little slower paced than most. I work and go to school and enjoy the company of only a few people. Most of my time alone, though not much, is spent in quiet reflection figuring out what I need to be in order to succeed in whatever I may attempt.

The second... I do enjoy debating. What do I enjoy debating? Everything.

Thirdly, I'd say that I would promote an atmosphere of debate where people can speak, be criticized and learn in a way that does not destroy their pride. Therefore my overall behavior is accepting of an idea, but critical in its analyzation.

Finally. People are full of information and ideas and I can extract from them this information, but they get in the way......

Perhaps these answers helped? Input is always welcome.

[Absurd]

So, I have effectively killed off all input. LIE it is.

Go with LIE. Gamma needs numbers for what it going to hit them.

[FDG]

Almost surely extraverte logical intuitive type. LIE more likely than ILE.

[Beautiful sky]

You have to interpret everything; you can't let things mean what they are; it's as if you're uncomfortable with that; either accept it or SHUT UP.

[Beautiful sky]

It's more of making the plans and then determining after a certain amount of creation to select the appropriate one to act upon. The quicker between the creation and action taken the better . Not all plans are created equal.

Judging which external action to take,
Determining which one is most appropriate poLR, something I'm good at.

You can reread the LSE/EII dual description for that last part.

I know. I am going to try one last time to explain what I am saying, in an attempt to believe that I have been misspeaking. I am not denying the fact that introversion removes the object from its external space and collects what it believes to be most important. I am saying that introspection does not inherently mean introvert, it means introverted function. I prefer action in the outside world meaning even though I enjoy introspecting I do not do so in my surrounding environment until I have acquired enough static information. This meaning I have in the very least Xe-Xi as an order.

When you're not dualized and are unfamiliar with how EII think, we think in possibilities of consideration, you may get confused and think we're not listening to you when we're actually trying to offer up other perspectives and see if those perspectives may lend interesting and NEW information. You may go back and reread why you got so short tempered, and frustrated with me, here.

[momental]

Thank you all for your assistance. I will choose LIE.

[Beautiful sky]

Why did you choose LIE?

[momental]

Why did you choose LIE?

Why should I not?

[Beautiful sky]

Why should I not?

For what reasons do you type yourself LIE?

[momental]

For what reasons do you type yourself LIE?

You asked that already... Why do you think I shouldn't be an LIE?

[EyeSeeCold]

Why should I not?

You asked that already... Why do you think I shouldn't be an LIE?

These are fallacious rebuttals and have caused a circular logic loop.

You may:
1.) Answer the question as asked
2.) Leave it alone

[Beautiful sky]

What if I hold the book up and say, "this is a table"?

My meaning is that we have defined objects to give them meaning; a book is a book and that is a fact. An evaluation is if we say "this is a good book" because that's open to interpretation.

[anndelise]

What if I hold the book up and say, "this is a table"?

My meaning is that we have defined objects to give them meaning; a book is a book and that is a fact. An evaluation is if we say "this is a good book" because that's open to interpretation.

If you hold up a book and tell me it,s a "table", then there would obviosuly be difficulties in communication between us, as we would be using different words to mean different things.

Maritsa, you are confusing
This [object] is this [object], which is a tautology...
And confusing this [word] is this [object]...which requires interpretation of what [word] means.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm just trying to get what pieces of information you relate with that convinced you you should choose LIE. I don't have an opinion on your type yet.

[momental]

I'm just trying to get what pieces of information you relate with that convinced you you should choose LIE. I don't have an opinion on your type yet.

If this is an accurate description of the LIE: (http://personalitycafe.com/entj-arti...socionics.html). Then I believe to be 100% positive in my decision.

[Beautiful sky]

He said:

I think definition, or the simple fact of defining is more judging then perceiving anyway.

I say:

^defining is not based on judging. That is the point here because it's not based on an opinion which goes back to the book example.

[anndelise]

He said:

I think definition, or the simple fact of defining is more judging then perceiving anyway.

I say:

^defining is not based on judging. That is the point here because it's not based on an opinion which goes back to the book example.

The process of defining REQUIRES making judgments.
What words will you use to try to define what you mean? ...to answer that...you have to make judgments of both your intended idea...AND which word might get thatnintended idea across.

How will you define Te? Fi? Ne? Si? If you don't evaluate which descriptions/words to include, and which to exclude?
You can't. You have no choice but to make those many little judgment calls.

[Beautiful sky]

The process of defining REQUIRES making judgments.

No. ask me why?????

the process of defining is not saying "in my opinion, that is a book." It's a fact. "It's a book." So you're saying that it's the rational function that makes speech?

Te: defines the range of something; gives opinion on something to an extent then it exhausts itself and moves on.

[Beautiful sky]

well, why don't you show any excitement to be here? You don't show any emotionality at all.

[momental]

well, why don't you show any excitement to be here? You don't show any emotionality at all.

You could blame my emotionless attitude on my intuitive subtype.

[Beautiful sky]

You could blame my emotionless attitude on my intuitive subtype.

The opposite of intuition isn't feeling.

[momental]

The opposite of intuition isn't feeling.

I don't think you are understanding me. The description of the intuitive sub-type is much calmer than the logical one and I fit the first better than the second therefore I appear less emotionless. I am not saying that the emotion is opposite to intuition, I am saying that the enthusiasm marked by the ENTJ is cut from me somewhat because of my sub-type.

[Beautiful sky]

definition:

judging

Form an opinion or conclusion about.
Decide (a case) in a court of law.

[Beautiful sky]

My questions aren't "useful"? By what standard or measure?

[fairylights]

My questions aren't "useful"? By what standard or measure?

I meant MrRTR's questions. Sorry for the miscommunication.

[Beautiful sky]

Perhaps I could mention my need for introspection, but action is far more important.

Sounds introverted.

It's more of making the plans and then determining after a certain amount of creation to select the appropriate one to act upon. The quicker between the creation and action taken the better . Not all plans are created equal.

You should try Si because it's a function that devalues Se and it tends to get things done quicker or with less energy and emotion.

Number one. Lifestyle..... My lifestyle tends to be a little slower paced than most. I work and go to school and enjoy the company of only a few people. Most of my time alone, though not much, is spent in quiet reflection figuring out what I need to be in order to succeed in whatever I may attempt.

introversion. removes the person from contact with objects to think and reflect upon things.

[momental]

Sounds introverted.



You should try Si because it's a function that devalues Se and it tends to get things done quicker or with less energy and emotion.




introversion. removes the person from contact with objects to think and reflect upon things.

Introspection is not reserved for the introvert, yes an introversion means abstraction, but if action is prioritized before introspection does that not mean an extroverted function is also preferred before?