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    [EDIT1: Please excuse my grammar mistakes. Engrish is not my first ranguage]
    [EDIT2: Corrected the last question]

    OK, so I'm quite certain that I have found my first SEI after 25years of mostly unconscious searching. I will not fuck this up.

    Problem is, she has (naturally) managed to put herself in a situation where her emotions are braking my quest for progress.

    When we meet, we hit it of immediately. This has happened three times. Problem is, she's extremely hesistant to getting to know me deeper. She attributes this to her perception that she 'also wants to, but is confused and need to deal with her emotions first'. I apply these 'emotions' specifically to the accounts of a) irrational loyality and b) resistance to change - i.e. I know that she's had some relationships which were no good for her and which she find difficult to leave, and she selects these past experiences as ingredients when cooking up her 'worst case scenario' which would be: I fuck her over just like everyone else.

    My own rational take on this is that she need to actually interact with me instead of running around in circles. More to the point, I need to convince her that I am safe and that she must not fear me. I see continual interaction as the only tool which can eliminate her fear, since it is only through interaction she can grow her perceptual intake and thus actually make some positive cognitive/behavioral changes. She tries so hard to rationalize, but of course does this very poorly. I DONT want her to make a 'rational' decision when she is the one being 'rational'.

    Now, at first I was accepting of all of this. After she said she needed 'more time' the first time, my reply was basically "I perceive you to be wise and I am sure you'll make the right decision. Good luck ".

    Three months later without interaction, and I met her out drinking. Both are somewhat drunk. We look deeply at each other and she immediately starts doing what she has done every single time I have met her; she starts telling me Im beautifull and we exchange some touching which had quite deep emotional effects.

    After this happens, I notice that she had a guy sitting next to her (I opposing her). He looked really weirded out when we 'greeted' each other, and reacted with petting and caressing her quite demonstratively. I looked at her and gave her my attempt of a "I-know-I-can-do-better-than-that-guy-and-so-do-you"-smile, and she smiled back in a eeriely approving way. However, she (naturally) needed to 'pet the guy back'!

    This was deeply uncomfortable for me. I'm perfectly fine with the fact that she flirts with other dudes as a way of coping with some of her shit (I know that it won't solve her issues long-term though). What I hated was her doing this IN FRONT OF ME. That's a big fucking lack of respect in my book, which I have extremely hard to accept. In fact, I would cut it of instantly if I didn't think she was my dual.

    So I left with some friends (amongst others one of her close female friends (MB ENFP) which also happen to be my flatmate). We leave my supposed dual with that dude as well as her other friend and some other dude. My ENFP friends calls my dual SEI after we've left and ask her if she wants to join us, and get's the reply "If it's fun". So, I interpret her action as a direct indication that she's not interested. Although I suspect that an alternative is that she simply couldn't leave that first dude because that would make him 'feel bad'.

    This basically prompted me to send the following message as soon as I got home: "Im sorry (name), but I see/saw so much potential in you. I understand that you have issues, but I need to know if you want to get to know me?"

    Unsurprisingly, she has not answered in two days. Instinctively this is also a big turn-off for me, but seeing her as a SEI, I suddenly become accepting.

    Now I am completely drowning in multiple theories of how this may play out, and this uncertainty is sooo emotionally taxing on me. Even if I'm somewhat certain that everything will fix itself, I don't feel that I want to wait the amount of time which she 'feels' that she need to have. I need to close the gap between current and desired reality as quickly as possible here.

    Any feedback on this?
    Does my analysis seem accurate?
    What are peoples ideas on her behavior - and of course im specifically interested in other SEI's ideas here.
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    Forget it for now, she's obviously not interested. Ask yourself why you'd want to put up with disrespect from anyone, even your dual.

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    Sounds like a rough situation. Dual or not, I think your gut is probably right in that her behavior indicates you should cut it off. Do you really want to spend your time chasing after her, sorting through her emotional baggage and playing mind games? That doesn't sound like the foundation for a healthy relationship.

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    You searches for 25 years and finally found an SEI??? Gimme a break, either you've been locked in a basement for that long, or this SEI is another houseplant you had a conversation with.

    Your dual is not THAT hard to find there are only 16types, I mean if there were 2500 types, then yeah, maybe it would take 25 years of searching.

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    Skilled people are also welcome to contribute!

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    Both are somewhat drunk. We look deeply at each other and she immediately starts doing what she has done every single time I have met her; she starts telling me Im beautifull and we exchange some touching which had quite deep emotional effects.

    After this happens, I notice that she had a guy sitting next to her (I opposing her). He looked really weirded out when we 'greeted' each other, and reacted with petting and caressing her quite demonstratively. I looked at her and gave her my attempt of a "I-know-I-can-do-better-than-that-guy-and-so-do-you"-smile, and she smiled back in a eeriely approving way. However, she (naturally) needed to 'pet the guy back'!

    This was deeply uncomfortable for me. I'm perfectly fine with the fact that she flirts with other dudes as a way of coping with some of her shit (I know that it won't solve her issues long-term though). What I hated was her doing this IN FRONT OF ME. That's a big fucking lack of respect in my book, which I have extremely hard to accept. In fact, I would cut it of instantly if I didn't think she was my dual.

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    you sound a bit spun out on her. probably best to be bold enough to get either a real response or get rejected... or you could simmer in your crush for awhile and keep dreaming of the perfect moment, that's usually what i end up doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by qma View Post
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    An eye for an eye. Fair enough.

    Dude, all Im saying is, theres many ISFps out there. You probably know some without even knowing it, and dont get too hung up on duality, just let your feelings guide you in a relationship. You're the best judge of your own fullfillment, not socionics.

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    you sound a bit spun out on her. probably best to be bold enough to get either a real response or get rejected... or you could simmer in your crush for awhile and keep dreaming of the perfect moment, that's usually what i end up doing
    But isn't that exactly what I said I'm currently doing?

    Excuse me if I'm unclear, but I'm not really seeing my current situation as very 'spunn out' in the sense that I 'love' her. However, her general 'interestingness' triggers my 'want' to get to know her on a deep level, if that makes sense. I don't need her specifically. And I don't need her specifically either.

    I orchestrated a reaction to her last behavior which I suspect will give a positive response. I am pretty certain that she IS interested, but as I also stated I think that she is circulating in negative emotions without knowing how to break away from them herself. My take is that she can only be taken off-track through interaction with someone who understands her true self, but she will never see that without interacting. This is the task I am currently interested in solving.

    If she rejects, I will know why and don't really care (at least not for long). But I feel sort of a personal obligation to her to pull her out of her shitty situation. If I fail, then fuck it (and really: she failed, not me).

    Dude, all Im saying is, theres many ISFps out there. You probably know some without even knowing it, and dont get too hung up on duality, just let your feelings guide you in a relationship. You're the best judge of your own fullfillment, not socionics.
    I know that man. Of course I know other ISFps (sorry about being unclear with that, though it's completely irrelevant in this specific situation how many of them I know here).

    And no, I let rational thinking guide me in this as in most cases (you can let feelings guide yourself though, by all means). My feelings have guided me to the point where they prompted me to track their origin in order to fully comprehend them rationally.

    If I let my feelings guide my actual behavior, things will screw themselves up for sure (this I beleive is the general ILE-problem when it comes to romantic relationships: letting emotional markers dictate their behavior when they have insufficient conscious understanding of how the mechanics of relationships function).

    I simply need more data to assist my thinking and provide me with a clearer view of the context, that's what's really bugging me, nothing else.

    Also, I naturally don't rely on Socionics only in my thinking here. Yes, that would be stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    An eye for an eye. Fair enough.

    Dude, all Im saying is, theres many ISFps out there. You probably know some without even knowing it, and dont get too hung up on duality, just let your feelings guide you in a relationship. You're the best judge of your own fullfillment, not socionics.
    Formulated in another more direct way (to completely destroy you ): It is my feelings which guides me toward her, but my rational thinking will dictate my final actions.

    Does that resonate?

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    She's probably playing with you a bit. I think she might be IEI or EIE tbqh, move on.

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    How do you ascertain shes beta NF from that little information. As if alpha SFs never play with people' minds .
    Last edited by Ave; 01-25-2012 at 06:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Little Satans View Post
    How do you ascertain shes beta NF from that little information. As if alpha SFs never play with people' minds .

    They play with your stomach too first...

    But it's just a intuition... Can't really justify it.. but QMA is getting played.

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    Haha, well, she did properly fucked you.

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