[Today 06:11 PM] hkkmr : oh
[Today 06:11 PM] hkkmr : anyway I don't know why people insist mountain dew is ESE
[Today 06:11 PM] hkkmr : he really don't see other people's motivations very well
[Today 06:11 PM] Absurd : Damn, I'm sooo smart I can't handle it.
[Today 06:12 PM] Mother Slacker : he seems Fe-ish and doesn't seem EIE I guess
[Today 06:12 PM] Mother Slacker : and he seems Ej ish
[Today 06:12 PM] Mountain Dew : what type do you think I am then hkkmr?
[Today 06:12 PM] Mother Slacker : to me anyway
[Today 06:12 PM] Traveler : I think MD is ESE, you just don't want him in your quadra hkkmr, lol.
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : LSE is a lot better
[Today 06:12 PM] Mountain Dew : lol someone else said they thought I was Te ego the other day
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : traveler
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : he got typed ESE by people that type themselves gamma
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : and hate him
[Today 06:12 PM] hkkmr : lol
[Today 06:12 PM] Absurd : Hehe.
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : anyways there's also the stereotype that ESE are 2's
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : which is BS imo
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : all sort of bad ideas running around on this forum
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : I typed him ESE too and that's my benefactor
[Today 06:13 PM] BulletsAndDoves : both esfj and estj have Ni polrs. he's sooo much morelike an esfj than he is an estj
[Today 06:13 PM] Mountain Dew : for like the past 9 months, it's always been ESXj for me
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : it's like most people on this forum never had a ESE friend
[Today 06:13 PM] Traveler : Well I agree with you on the stereotype that ESEs are 2.
[Today 06:13 PM] BulletsAndDoves : esfj looks more 'faggy and sensitive' in the face, estj is more rational and cold. MD has a cute emotional face
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : I don't see Te at all and I see Fe
[Today 06:13 PM] Traveler : But I think gammas hate him because he's in an opposing quadra. haha
[Today 06:13 PM] BulletsAndDoves : he doesn't look like an estj at all
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : A huge percentage of my friends are ESE
[Today 06:13 PM] Director Abbie : "Um, I don't have to turn everything blue - what's it called - select everything, to..." -My SLI mom, on the computer
[Today 06:13 PM] Mother Slacker : my mother in law is ESE
[Today 06:13 PM] hkkmr : intead of talking about motivations he talks about the semantic
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : of gay vs bisexual
[Today 06:14 PM] Absurd : Cute emotional face, oh fack
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : kinda of pendantic stuff
[Today 06:14 PM] Traveler : I see lots of from MD, and an PoLR too
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : emotional face = nothing
[Today 06:14 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Quite purely, estjs are like straight men in business suits that have a problem with gay men and are just very hard working and traditional and don't like laziness. they don't like people that just sit there and write.
[Today 06:14 PM] Mother Slacker : well that's a political thing more than a type-related thing
[Today 06:14 PM] BulletsAndDoves : now i know im generalizing, of course i know not all estjs are homophobic and everything or like that
[Today 06:14 PM] hkkmr : what Fe? it's all fake
[Today 06:14 PM] BulletsAndDoves : but that is the conflict in a pure raw way. thats all I mean
[Today 06:14 PM] Mother Slacker : I have no doubt at all there are gay LSEs
[Today 06:15 PM] Mother Slacker : i don't think it's fake and i don't see anything at all LSE-ish
[Today 06:15 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Yeah I agree
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : I have a LSE friend who is female
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : that's very much like mountain dew
[Today 06:15 PM] BulletsAndDoves : but they are Te-ego and are just stereotypically so....business-y
[Today 06:15 PM] Absurd : I didn't know you're homosexual BnD, really.
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : anyways LSE also have Fe as a bold function
[Today 06:15 PM] Mother Slacker : you think no one knows any ESEs or knows what they're talking about, but I think your'e typing him that way because you dont' want him in your quadra
[Today 06:15 PM] Mountain Dew : hmm
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : also look at someone like FDG
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : is he business like
[Today 06:15 PM] Absurd : It is settled and decided then hkkmr - MD is female.
[Today 06:15 PM] hkkmr : or businessy?
[Today 06:15 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Cute Absurd. =)
[Today 06:16 PM] BulletsAndDoves : I see what you did there.
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : yes FDG kind of is
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : certainly way more than MD
[Today 06:16 PM] hkkmr : mountain dew is more pedantic then fdg by far
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : MD is like a overly friendly teacher type
[Today 06:16 PM] hkkmr : not imo
[Today 06:16 PM] BulletsAndDoves : fdg isn't an estj at all , sorry =p
[Today 06:16 PM] BulletsAndDoves : i mean MD
[Today 06:16 PM] Traveler : lol Absurd
[Today 06:16 PM] Mother Slacker : like a college prof
[Today 06:16 PM] hkkmr : you guys haven't met many LSE's
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : he isn't at all LSE and I don't even know how you even slightly see that
[Today 06:17 PM] BulletsAndDoves : yeah . He's also nosy in a way that they are
[Today 06:17 PM] hkkmr : they're jokey/etc
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : bullshit
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : don't make assumptions about who we know
[Today 06:17 PM] Mother Slacker : they can be jokey but they aren't like MD
[Today 06:17 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr are you trolling?
[Today 06:17 PM] Absurd : You've got best LSE in world here...
[Today 06:17 PM] Traveler : LSEs are like Absurd , the subs, subs are more formal.
[Today 06:17 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Hkkmr don't troll me and slacker just because we are sensitive. =)
[Today 06:17 PM] walker31 : hi,
[Today 06:17 PM] hkkmr : With the first acquaintance SHTIRLITS is produced not only solid impression, but still and it seems benevolent and affable. However, as soon as the matter it reaches work and distribution of tasks, it is converted into the serious, assembled, concentrated leader, and the places for no smiles remains on his face.
[Today 06:18 PM] Traveler : hey walker
[Today 06:18 PM] Mother Slacker : he is nothing like any LSEs
[Today 06:18 PM] hkkmr : In relations with people LSE works out a definite image, style of behaviour, which she considers adequate. By this is meant correctness, restraint, politeness, and good breeding. Her style, in this regard, can be considered stereotypically “English” in mannerism. Usually her behaviour is subordinated to certain norms, standards, effected by community expectations, as she understands them. But if a situation departs from the customary framework – she is lost, in the absence of flexibility she finds it difficult to rapidly change her style of behaviour.She lacks the ability to sense the emotional state another, the degree of his/her vulnerability. Therefore LSE frequently will try to aid others in work but avoid the manifestation of feelings. To her significant other she finds it more easy to give a gift than to say, “I love you.” If such is requested from her he may appear astonished, feeling that her feelings are already evident.
[Today 06:18 PM] Absurd : I always smile.
[Today 06:18 PM] hkkmr : She lacks the ability to sense the emotional state another, the degree of his/her vulnerability. Therefore LSE frequently will try to aid others in work but avoid the manifestation of feelings. To her significant other she finds it more easy to give a gift than to say, “I love you.” If such is requested from her he may appear astonished, feeling that her feelings are already evident.
[Today 06:18 PM] BulletsAndDoves : I have no doubt I supervise him, I really want to watch what I say because I know I could easily really rip him in half and I don't want to be like that
[Today 06:18 PM] BulletsAndDoves : because I know how it feels when ENTjs do it to me
[Today 06:18 PM] Mother Slacker : that doesnt' sound at all like him
[Today 06:19 PM] Mountain Dew : do you guys care if I just make a new thread, posting all of this?
[Today 06:19 PM] Mother Slacker : why do you keep putting stuff up that is nothing like him
[Today 06:19 PM] hkkmr : mountain dews just can't get the feeling of others
[Today 06:19 PM] Absurd : Got reasons. None.
[Today 06:19 PM] Mother Slacker : go for it
[Today 06:19 PM] Mountain Dew : .... BnD saying he will rip me in half... figuratively, right?
[Today 06:19 PM] Traveler : Yeah being supervised sucks MD.
[Today 06:19 PM] hkkmr : I don't really care since I'm not trying to convince anyone
*Director Abbie is more formal.* @ 06:19 PM
[Today 06:19 PM] Analyst Trevor : MDEW is ESE
[Today 06:19 PM] BulletsAndDoves : its a bit deeper than that. He gets feelings okay it's just the Ni polr.
[Today 06:19 PM] Traveler : Yeah you are Abbie, but in an awesome way .
[Today 06:19 PM] Mountain Dew : ok I'll see what other people think
[Today 06:19 PM] hkkmr : not any ESE I've ever met
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : I never met a ESE as socially clueless
[Today 06:20 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr: He's a MALE esfj though
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : haha
[Today 06:20 PM] Aerorobyn : I like Beta for MD
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : I just had dinner with a male esfj
[Today 06:20 PM] Mother Slacker : i bet he's pretty socially astute IRL
[Today 06:20 PM] hkkmr : he's a charming socilite
[Today 06:20 PM] Aerorobyn :
[Today 06:20 PM] Absurd : I thought he is female.
[Today 06:20 PM] Mother Slacker : i bet he has tons of friends and a very active social life
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : so do LSE's
[Today 06:21 PM] BulletsAndDoves : we Ni egos rule the internet writing domain
[Today 06:21 PM] Absurd : And wears a skirt like a real woman.
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : EJ's
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : some people like bumblers
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : yeah but you're saying he's LSE because he isn't "socially astute" nad that real ESEs have active social lives
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : he's outgoing, want socialization doesn't mean he's social
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : and I say I bet he doeso have an active social lie and is socially astute
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : no I never said
[Today 06:21 PM] hkkmr : that
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : and then you say , "so do LSEs"
[Today 06:21 PM] Mother Slacker : stop it
[Today 06:22 PM] hkkmr : I think he's not socially astute
[Today 06:22 PM] Absurd : Haha.
[Today 06:22 PM] hkkmr : but has a social life
[Today 06:22 PM] Traveler : Beta Aero? You think he is EIE?
[Today 06:22 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr look at him physically not with your mind. Look at him corporeally the way women and gay men do when they see a palm tree in the forest. He vis as an esfj like a mother fucker.
[Today 06:22 PM] BulletsAndDoves : =)
[Today 06:22 PM] BulletsAndDoves : i just think you're seeing the Ni polr. both of the types have that
[Today 06:22 PM] hkkmr : no he doesn't
[Today 06:22 PM] Absurd : I'm not interested in socialisation hkkmr.
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : the problem is he doesn't show Fe
[Today 06:23 PM] Absurd : Whatever that means.
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : none that I can discern
[Today 06:23 PM] BulletsAndDoves : lol hkkmr.
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : yes he does, but you choose to believe it is "fake"
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : that's a judgment that you've made
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : and IMO is not based on reality
[Today 06:23 PM] Traveler : You think he shows hkkmr? I haven't seen much .
[Today 06:23 PM] Aerorobyn : Haha Trav, I don't know.
[Today 06:23 PM] Mother Slacker : he seems very much like every ESE I know
[Today 06:23 PM] Aerorobyn : Don't pay enough attention to him to say anything.
[Today 06:23 PM] Traveler : Okay Aero.
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : I think he's pedantic
[Today 06:23 PM] hkkmr : which is a te trait
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : he is pendantic but ESEs can be pendantic
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : you need to show me where he shows Fe
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : not always
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : shows insight into other's motivations
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : not all Te types are like that by a long shot
[Today 06:24 PM] cracka : Male ESE's don't exist.
[Today 06:24 PM] BulletsAndDoves : Hkkmr is trolling im 99% sure. =D nice job. You're almost as good as Sarah Silverman
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : naw B&D
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : lol cracka
[Today 06:24 PM] BulletsAndDoves : haha cracka
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : I have never typed him ESE
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : and never will
[Today 06:24 PM] hkkmr : I type cracka ESE
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : he makes assumptions about people's motivations just like you've been doing here
[Today 06:24 PM] Absurd : If male ESEs don't exist, then he is a female ESE and I'm right.
[Today 06:24 PM] Mother Slacker : everyone does
[Today 06:25 PM] Traveler : hahaha
[Today 06:25 PM] Mother Slacker : and sometiems he's probably right and sometiems he's probably wrong
[Today 06:25 PM] cracka : I'm a female ESE... according to Crazedrat...lol
[Today 06:25 PM] Aerorobyn : lol absurd
[Today 06:25 PM] hkkmr : anyways, I'm not trying to convince anyone
[Today 06:25 PM] Mountain Dew : ... trying to say nothing... but I find it funny my type has been the topic for over the past 15 minutes
[Today 06:25 PM] hkkmr : I just don't think he's ESE
[Today 06:25 PM] hkkmr : end of discussion
[Today 06:26 PM] Absurd : Even better, tremble under Absurd's mighty logics...
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : if you type him ESE fine
[Today 06:26 PM] BulletsAndDoves : NO LET'S ARGUE ABOUT IT FOR FOUR HOURS MORE
[Today 06:26 PM] Mother Slacker : you're the center of attention, MD, and you like that because ESEs like beign the center of attention lol
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : but I deal with plenty of ESE/LSE in my daily life
[Today 06:26 PM] Aerorobyn : Hey MD
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : and he's nothing like ESE's
[Today 06:26 PM] cracka : attention whores
[Today 06:26 PM] Mother Slacker : i do too hkkmr
[Today 06:26 PM] Aerorobyn : Do you like pina coladas, MD?
[Today 06:26 PM] Mountain Dew : I'm definitely extroverted MS
[Today 06:26 PM] Absurd : No, it was pretty interesting, although pointless.
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : he's like LSE's I know
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : not ESE's
[Today 06:26 PM] Traveler : I don't know, every post he does just screams ESE to me hkkmr, but I guess everyone perceives types differently.
[Today 06:26 PM] BulletsAndDoves : socionics has a physicality to it. Don't let it go to your head
[Today 06:26 PM] hkkmr : they're a look-alike type
[Today 06:26 PM] Mother Slacker : i think that is one of the more endearing ESE traits actually
[Today 06:26 PM] Mountain Dew : I do like pina coladas! and getting caught in the rain
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : it's not a bad typing
[Today 06:27 PM] BulletsAndDoves : you can't over think this stuff
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : look-alike types
[Today 06:27 PM] BulletsAndDoves : it's raw and physical.
[Today 06:27 PM] Aerorobyn : Damn.
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : get over it
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : as I said I never wanted to convince anyone
[Today 06:27 PM] BulletsAndDoves : tactile and corporeal
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : but it's not obvious
[Today 06:27 PM] Absurd : Thing that is interesting is I can find people similar to you on here hkkmr.
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : that he's ESE
[Today 06:27 PM] cracka : it's the internet... how could people possible be 100% that someone is or isn't a certain type over the internet...lol
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : and the LSE's I deal with are more like him
[Today 06:27 PM] hkkmr : then the ESE's
[Today 06:27 PM] Absurd : You communicate in same matter as somebody on here.
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : LSE's and ESE can communicate quite similar
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : I communicate a lot like SLE's probably
[Today 06:28 PM] Traveler : hkkmr I think MD could just be sub of ESE, so that's why you get him confused as LSE.
[Today 06:28 PM] BulletsAndDoves : hkkmr you're letting it go to your head
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : I'm not
[Today 06:28 PM] hkkmr : it's just a analysis
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : I know a Si type of LSE too
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : very similar
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : very similar
[Today 06:29 PM] Mountain Dew : I like being productive too, of course. My leading functions are Fe and Te. There is no Si.
[Today 06:29 PM] hkkmr : I think Si sub is better
[Today 06:29 PM] Absurd : Well then I think you're identical with this person I have in mind and that doesn't sound terribly fantastic.
[Today 06:29 PM] Director Abbie : I think Mountain Dew is likely ESE.
[Today 06:29 PM] BulletsAndDoves : yeah esfjs love being productive
[Today 06:29 PM] Mother Slacker : well the reason it became an issue is because you used it as an example of "all sorts of bad ideas running around this forum" and talked like we were stupid to see him as ESE at all
[Today 06:29 PM] Mother Slacker : when he seems very obviously ESE to me
[Today 06:29 PM] Director Abbie : He's ethical, not logical.
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : there are
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : like ESE being 2's
[Today 06:30 PM] Absurd : Poor ethicals.
[Today 06:30 PM] Mother Slacker : then you had a bunch of Ashton argumetnts - "I know more ESEs than you do" "You just don't know any real ESEs" "He doesn't look like ESEs I know IRL and I know lots"
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : why do you think that Abbie?
[Today 06:30 PM] Absurd : No offence Slacker.
[Today 06:30 PM] Mother Slacker : which drives me crazy
[Today 06:30 PM] Mother Slacker : the one thing I don't like about ashton because I otherwise do like him
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : I said to you slacker
[Today 06:30 PM] Mountain Dew : I think it was bg who also said they don't see Fe in me, hkkmr
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : I had no itnerest in convincing anyone
[Today 06:30 PM] hkkmr : I was just explaining my opinion
[Today 06:30 PM] Mountain Dew : I'll just post all this in a new thread now, and we can get the rest of the forum's opinion
[Today 06:30 PM] BulletsAndDoves : which is why I just felt like he was good naturedly trolling you, and liking that he drove you crazy
[Today 06:30 PM] Mountain Dew : what's going 2-3 months without an MD type-me thread, anyway? haha
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : and why I don't believe he's ESE
[Today 06:31 PM] Traveler : Most people will just vote ESE though aside from a few people MD.
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : i must be in a moood to argue and bitch at people because the past couple of days i've been doing it constantly
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : and I see i'm doing it again
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : and I feel a need to apologize
[Today 06:31 PM] Mother Slacker : so I'm sorry for that
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : Like It's almost impossible to prove this sort of things
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : and it's not obvious
[Today 06:31 PM] hkkmr : esp with look-alike types
[Today 06:32 PM] BulletsAndDoves : *hugs slacker*
[Today 06:32 PM] Traveler : There is no spoon.
[Today 06:32 PM] hkkmr : also ESE is a obstinant type
[Today 06:32 PM] thePirate : yaow
[Today 06:32 PM] thePirate : I need help with my e-stacking
[Today 06:32 PM] hkkmr : vs LSE
[Today 06:32 PM] Traveler : I'll help you pirate.
[Today 06:32 PM] hkkmr : my ESE best friend still types LIE
[Today 06:33 PM] thePirate : someone help the helpless INFP
[Today 06:33 PM] BulletsAndDoves : sp/sx. =p
[Today 06:33 PM] hkkmr : or ENTJ in mbti
[Today 06:33 PM] thePirate : okay thanks trav
[Today 06:33 PM] Mountain Dew : yes, it's been a debate before, and the internet has its problems. But I want to see what other think currently, cause you're not the only one who doubts ESE
[Today 06:33 PM] hkkmr : I don't think I could ever convince him of a different typing
[Today 06:33 PM] BulletsAndDoves : You are not helpless, victim
[Today 06:33 PM] Director Abbie : He takes things personally more often than is logical, he's kinda bouncy.
[Today 06:33 PM] thePirate : to help narrow it down, I think 4w5 sx is a safe bet
[Today 06:33 PM] Analyst Trevor : Mountain ESEw