Hi Delta

[Minde]

OP (which i'm guessing means On point)

I've always understood OP to mean "original post" or "opening post" or "original poster."

im not sure whether lobos comments and minde's support were intended as passive aggressive jibes or not but since i havent gotten an answer i'll just address them as though they were.

i've disliked people and typed them LSE before. i see md as ESE and i'm not going to pretend otherwise out of some kind of ethical imperative to be tolerant of peoples self-typings. i will concede that the insistence of my opposition is influenced by my opinion of him. but if i was going entirely by spite i would have accepted SLE as a typing for him...i never did. also, to compare my posts to md's in terms of making assumptions about people's intentions is absolutely ludicrous - i'm not nearly as outlandish in my interpretations and at the very least i'm pretty transparent about being open to being corrected.

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For the sake of clarity: No, in no way was I being passive aggressive. I really don't care at all what you think of MD's, or anybody else's, type. Therefore, I have little to no reason to invest any feeling or effort in trying to get you to see otherwise. That may sound somewhat offensive to you (after all, most people like it when others value their opinion) but hopefully it at least relieves you of any feeling of me attacking you for your opinion.


But while we're on the topic:

one more step on the path to nirvana i cant take this anymore lol

it warms my heart to see all this pseudo-neutral benevolence from the fi egos

If anything, this seems passive aggressive to me. FWIW.

[moredhel]

agree. btw I'm liking your posts a lot, moredhel!!

Sorry I missed this comment earlier, thank you very much .

For the sake of clarity: No, in no way was I being passive aggressive. I really don't care at all what you think of MD's, or anybody else's, type. Therefore, I have little to no reason to invest any feeling or effort in trying to get you to see otherwise. That may sound somewhat offensive to you (after all, most people like it when others value their opinion) but hopefully it at least relieves you of any feeling of me attacking you for your opinion.

Good for you , while I don't personally place much value in Ennaegram, this forum (and possibly all forums) could use a little bit more 9w1 mentality.

[ashlesha]

i don't think my guess (which i said was a guess and left open for you to correct) was outlandish. but i guess i'm responding to something you didn't actually say again...

If anything, this seems passive aggressive to me. FWIW.

i thought it made my feeling pretty obvious.

edit: to elucidate - taking a position of neutrality is still taking a position. there's no such thing as a high ground. (this is something i'm trying to accept when it comes to my own life, fwiw...so you could blow this off as projection or you could take it as criticism from someone who identifies as your "identical," or whatever, its up to you.)

[Park]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

The only thing you can be sure of in regards to Minde is that she is ten times the person you could ever hope to be.

[Beautiful sky]

Both my LSE and ESE cousins look-a-like when all of us go to an outdoor huge social dancing event.

I don't see how your delta cousin being more comfortable in a large group than a typical delta has anything to do with my type.

I actualy am very comfortable in certain large groups particularly my birthday when everyone is arranged in small groups of differnt friends and I can filter between them all socialising with everyone, in this case I do look very alpha in that I'm having a good time and talking to everyone because I know and am comfortable with a large enough portion of the guests.

Alpha's do this as well; they can also be comfortable in large groups and why ESE looks like LSE.

But say in a clubbing situation I'm not comfortable at all, there are too many people, no chance to really talk and exericise any of my valued functions. Alphas, including ESE's generaly enjoy these situations.

In a clubbing situation or any situation, an LSE's preferred mode is to gather facts and to try to pay attention and take things in or hear and sense as much of what is going on as possible because their senses are so awake. You could compare to me, my senses are asleep and dull. I'd be happy if I walked away from such a situation at having observed a few things that I can recall, but I'll remember my private one-on-one conversations that I can sneak and what my interactions with that person was like. It would make sense that an LSE is unable to exercise their valued functions in those situations because there's loud music that renders communication to be very shallow or observation of facts to be on the observable and sensory level (like making out what's going on based on what you see, here, and touch). Being an extravert, you might also get distracted by all those noises and so many things to see and take in and might get very tense in a clubbing situation or a situation where there's a lot going on.

You and I are agreeing that in a large group, you and ESE can look-a-like. But, you, for some reason are not seeing the similarity in our messages. You're responding yes to my yes. Semantics.

Another example is a large party for an aquaintence where you only half know a few people, I've seen Introtim alphas shut down a little in these situations however ESE's and ILE still usualy manage to socialise make friends and have a good time. As an LSE I have thrived in this situation a couple of times by using a combination of alchohol and an Fe role function to work my way into a smaller groups to exercise my valued functions but this is an exception not the rule.

Yes, by using your Fe role in such a situation, you, to an outside observer, look like one of the gang. Alpha ESE sometimes prefer clicks, which we call "smaller groups" but again when they are in clicks as you are trying to exercise your functions in a smaller group, you two look-a-like one another even though your objectives at arriving to such a place might be different, but no one can really see that from the outside.


On another note, please attribute your quotes to the people who wrote them because it makes it a lot easier than to go fishing to see who wrote certain things that you are responding to. Everyone's an individual here and you not attributing who you're responding to makes it look like you're answering to everyone, which I don't like because not everyone says the same thing. I'm sorry that I'm placing this in the public view, but it's in no way intended to put you down, for me to come off as pompous and assuming, nor is it to discredit your honor in any way.

[Trevor]

gone*

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Since we're already judging people; why not?

[Beautiful sky]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

The only thing you can be sure of in regards to Minde is that she is ten times the person you could ever hope to be.

You don't know that and you're just reacting to defend Minde. I have a good feeling of laghlagh. I stand to correct you on your incorrect sense of her or I should rather say your subjective sense of her. She responded to a feeling (a subjective feeling) that she got and she wasn't intending upon hurting anyones feelings. Your comment, however, is reactive and highly impulsive.

[Park]

Why not what, Trevor?

[Trevor]

Nevermind.

[Lobo]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

The only thing you can be sure of in regards to Minde is that she is ten times the person you could ever hope to be.

You need a chill pill.

[ashlesha]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

The only thing you can be sure of in regards to Minde is that she is ten times the person you could ever hope to be.

took a couple of those words right from my own mouth.

did you think standing up for the person most endeared on the forum would give you bonus points? and if the offender is me, all the better? because last i remember you were comparing her to me and subt in our lack of understanding of you and trying to play it off like it wasn't meant as an insult.

lolll douche. hope it worked out how you planned.

[Words]

Some ENFp will make y'all internet friends

[Beautiful sky]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

The only thing you can be sure of in regards to Minde is that she is ten times the person you could ever hope to be.

took a couple of those words right from my own mouth.

did you think standing up for the person most endeared on the forum would make you give you bonus points? and if the offender is me, all the better? because last i remember you were comparing her to me and subt in our lack of understanding of you and trying to play it off like it wasn't meant as an insult.

lolll douche. hope it worked out how you planned.

Back off please; he's a reactionary type who is also very selective about his relations...he after all is doing Fi suggestively.

[Words]

took a couple of those words right from my own mouth.

did you think standing up for the person most endeared on the forum would make you give you bonus points? and if the offender is me, all the better? because last i remember you were comparing her to me and subt in our lack of understanding of you and trying to play it off like it wasn't meant as an insult.

lolll douche. hope it worked out how you planned.

Back off please; he's a reactionary type who is also very selective about his relations...he after all is doing Fi suggestively.

Haha, falling for the oldest trick in the book, but you've considered backing off yourself? Seems like you could take your own advice.

[Beautiful sky]

Back off please; he's a reactionary type who is also very selective about his relations...he after all is doing Fi suggestively.

Haha, falling for the oldest trick in the book, but you've considered backing off yourself? Seems like you could take your own advice.

Yeah, I can sometimes step into an argument because I want two parties to stop but end up being fired back from both sides. You're right, but I do hope that laghlagh takes my advice.

[moredhel]

Alright where to start, I think I will keep this brief as there seems to be only a small differentiation in our understanding.

You and I are agreeing that in a large group, you and ESE can look-a-like. But, you, for some reason are not seeing the similarity in our messages. You're responding yes to my yes. Semantics.

Yes I am, but I also tried to convey the differences. Clubbing still stands to be the most obvious time where LSE's and ESE's look very differnt. I do agree with what you said about LSE's clubbing for the most part though. You may also notice in choosing an activity a typical ESE would want to go clubbing and an LSE would generaly not.

I also believe my aquaintence party example would be where they look different as 4 times out of 5 I will look out of place and then go home early where an ESE would normal thrive (whether it be by finiding their small group or otherwise). I was giving emphasis to the exceptions as there are times where they will look similar and saying otherwise would be silly on my part.

I also would like to note my point placed emphasis on self typing, an LSE using their role function in order to thrive socialy will be very aware of it and would not confuse looking alpha with being alpha.

I conceed if you are trying to type people based on one social event an LSE and ESE may look similar but over several social events or actualy knowing the person well I would find it difficult to confuse the 2.

[Beautiful sky]

Alright where to start, I think I will keep this brief as there seems to be only a small differentiation in our understanding.

You and I are agreeing that in a large group, you and ESE can look-a-like. But, you, for some reason are not seeing the similarity in our messages. You're responding yes to my yes. Semantics.

Yes I am, but I also tried to convey the differences. Clubbing still stands to be the most obvious time where LSE's and ESE's look very differnt. I do agree with what you said about LSE's clubbing for the most part though. You may also notice in choosing an activity a typical ESE would want to go clubbing and an LSE would generaly not.

I also believe my aquaintence party example would be where they look different as 4 times out of 5 I will look out of place and then go home early where an ESE would normal thrive (whether it be by finiding their small group or otherwise). I was giving emphasis to the exceptions as there are times where they will look similar and saying otherwise would be silly on my part.

I also would like to note my point placed emphasis on self typing, an LSE using their role function in order to thrive socialy will be very aware of it and would not confuse looking alpha with being alpha.

I conceed if you are trying to type people based on one social event an LSE and ESE may look similar but over several social events or actualy knowing the person well I would find it difficult to confuse the 2.

I think you've just been dualized because you're stepping into my consciousness and seeing what I'm seeing or reading and understanding what I'm trying to convey.

I don't have trouble confusing them because LSEs try to understand a person before they judge them based on their emotional values.

That is because an LSE looks at facts first.

I have a theory about why you were making so many spelling errors and correct me if I'm wrong; it was because you were drunk...????

[Park]

did you think standing up for the person most endeared on the forum would make you give you bonus points? and if the offender is me, all the better? because last i remember you were comparing her to me and subt in our lack of understanding of you and trying to play it off like it wasn't meant as an insult.

Buy yourself some glasses. Or better yet, a working brain.

[Suz]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

The only thing you can be sure of in regards to Minde is that she is ten times the person you could ever hope to be.

took a couple of those words right from my own mouth.

did you think standing up for the person most endeared on the forum would give you bonus points? and if the offender is me, all the better? because last i remember you were comparing her to me and subt in our lack of understanding of you and trying to play it off like it wasn't meant as an insult.

lolll douche. hope it worked out how you planned.

Actually i wasn't going say anything initially but since things have come this far, i have to admit i actually agree with parkster's post, maybe not to such intensity, but laghlagh ime, you definitely have demonstrated what parkster said more than once and in relation to more than one person here. Even your comment here demonstrates this. What makes you think you're so "endeared"? Rhetorical question btw... I really dont care. And i dont feel like arguing, which is why i wasn't going to contribute my opinion earlier. So, whatever.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

What makes you think you're so "endeared"?

She meant Minde, not herself.

Parkster: I'm not contesting your right to an opinion, to feel offended on someone's behalf, or even to speak up about it. Could've been expressed better, though.

[moredhel]

I have a theory about why you were making so many spelling errors and correct me if I'm wrong; it was because you were drunk...????

Haha no, it's because my firefox on this desktop doesn't spell check for me yet I have come to rely on it. Also I'm Australian so we spell a few things differently (colour for example), I'm not actually sure if that's relevant to the above post but always an interesting thing to know.

[ashlesha]

parksters wording was fine with me. i appreciate him being straightforward if anything. if anyone would like to join wa in taking this opportunity to say what theyve really been feeling i would appreciate it, pm if you prefer.

parkster youre more transparent than you might think.

[Beautiful sky]

I have a theory about why you were making so many spelling errors and correct me if I'm wrong; it was because you were drunk...????

Haha no, it's because my firefox on this desktop doesn't spell check for me yet I have come to rely on it. Also I'm Australian so we spell a few things differently (colour for example), I'm not actually sure if that's relevant to the above post but always an interesting thing to know.

You're offering information (a fact about spelling differences in your country) which would make someone understand you (even if it's for the sake of knowledge or clarity) and help them perceive you in the way which you would like. Thanks. Noted.

I'm a far seeing person, meaning that I try to make out what things mean beyond the stated and who isn't just living in the moment and taking things at face value, so I might try to subjectively interpret what you're saying based on a feeling I get of what they can mean. (It's called being deep -something you pointed out about EIIs)

[EyeSeeCold]

this thread:

[Minde]

No kidding.


Gah. Eurgh. Blech.

[Beautiful sky]

this thread:

No kidding.


Gah. Eurgh. Blech.

Negativist!

There's nothing wrong with this thread. It's perfect in an imperfect way. Accept the creative process a little.

Look at things from "the glass is half full" and you'll see the beauty.
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Negativist


Would you two like me to point out to you all the positive things about this thread to help both of you see the positive sides of things? LOL

[Marie84]

Parkster: I'm not contesting your right to an opinion, to feel offended on someone's behalf, or even to speak up about it. Could've been expressed better, though.

indeed

[Beautiful sky]

indeed

And, per Maritsa, ...could've been expressed worse, no?

You can be so adorable.

[Marie84]

indeed

And, per Maritsa, ...could've been expressed worse, no?

I like you, always looking at the glass half full

[Suz]

What makes you think you're so "endeared"?

She meant Minde, not herself.

Parkster: I'm not contesting your right to an opinion, to feel offended on someone's behalf, or even to speak up about it. Could've been expressed better, though.

OK, I stand corrected, but that mistake doesn't change the rest of what i said and feel. I think parkster said it better than anyone could have and had the guts to actually say it. Bravo, Parkster.

[ashlesha]

wa you're an idiot.

[Absurd]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

Shut your brown hole you squid-looking twat. Now kneel down and lick the salt from my stalagmite.

Negativist!

Can't believe my own eyes, you even get Reinin wrong not to mention Model A.

Would you two like me to point out to you all the positive things about this thread to help both of you see the positive sides of things? LOL

They both want you to see a shrink as fast as possible, you know, like a veterinarian you monkey.

OK, I stand corrected, but that mistake doesn't change the rest of what i said and feel. I think parkster said it better than anyone could have and had the guts to actually say it. Bravo, Parkster

Oh no, he didn't, just look what I said. You can thank me later WA.

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Oh yea, I almost forgot. Hi Delta!

[Suz]

laghlagh, you're a close-minded, inattentive, self-centered piece of shit.

Shut your brown hole you squid-looking twat. Now kneel down and lick the salt from my stalagmite.

They both want you to see a shrink as fast as possible, you know, like a veterinarian you monkey.

OK, I stand corrected, but that mistake doesn't change the rest of what i said and feel. I think parkster said it better than anyone could have and had the guts to actually say it. Bravo, Parkster

Oh no, he didn't just, just look what I said. You can thank me later WA.

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Oh yea, I almost forgot. Hi Delta!

Absurd i think we are all aware of how you feel towards laghlagh. Doesn't change the way some of us feel. People can act differently towards different people, you know. No need for profanities towards other expressed opinions.

[ashlesha]

actions dont matter profanities do! come on wa. that isnt fi lol, nice try.

also rabidly taking the opportunity to piggyback on someone elses sentiment when you hadnt had much to say before is spineless and much more distasteful than any curse word.

[Absurd]

Absurd i think we are all aware of how you feel towards laghlagh.

Who is 'we all' and how do I feel towards her ?

You know WA, however near and dear to you may be your children, friends, boyfriends/girlfriends, wife/husband they are not you; they are outside of you. You are forever alone. Your thoughts and emotions are yours alone. There is no other who experiences your thoughts or your feelings.

People can act differently towards different people, you know. No need for profanities towards other expressed opinions.

Well, I'm acting differently towards Parkmymeat in Parkster, I don't see a problem here, besides I think I made myself clear. Oh ye, one more funny thing is how this booty virtuoso can escape with shit he said, and I can't confess, I think I'm excommunicated or something.

Help me WA, please.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

EDIT: This is directed at WA.

Wait. So it's ok for Parkster to call Laghlagh a piece of shit for the way she's acting toward Minde; but it's not ok for Absurd to call Parkster a twat over the latter's behavior toward his friend? If you dislike Laghlagh and want to see her told off, fine. If you like Parkster and dislike seeing him attacked, whatever. And maybe my interpretation of where you stand is off. Regardless, if you're going to play favorites, be honest about it. Don't hide behind principles that you clearly aren't applying equally to begin with.

[Absurd]

actions dont matter profanities do! come on wa. that isnt fi lol, nice try.

She did that 4th time to me already, I'm being harassed. Said this is a very hostile place, but no one believed me.

also rabidly taking the opportunity to piggyback on someone elses sentiment when you hadnt had much to say before is spineless and much more distasteful than any curse word.

Mraow.

EDIT: This is directed at WA.

Wait. So it's ok for Parkster to call Laghlagh a piece of shit for the way she's acting toward Minde; but it's not ok for Absurd to call Parkster a twat over the latter's behavior toward his friend?

Damn straight.

If you dislike Laghlagh and want to see her told off, fine. If you like Parkster and dislike seeing him attacked, whatever.

I think I know how she feels towards Parkmymeat in Parkster. No, I don't. Anyways, I'm going to tickle him for I like to tickle people, I'm the ticklish monster.

And maybe my interpretation of where you stand is off. Regardless, if you're going to play favorites, be honest about it. Don't hide behind principles that you clearly aren't applying equally to begin with.

Damn straight, once again.

[Suz]

EDIT: This is directed at WA.

Wait. So it's ok for Parkster to call Laghlagh a piece of shit for the way she's acting toward Minde; but it's not ok for Absurd to call Parkster a twat over the latter's behavior toward his friend? If you dislike Laghlagh and want to see her told off, fine. If you like Parkster and dislike seeing him attacked, whatever. And maybe my interpretation of where you stand is off. Regardless, if you're going to play favorites, be honest about it. Don't hide behind principles that you clearly aren't applying equally to begin with.

ok i missed the word shit that parkster used. That is unacceptable. However, the other things i thought were pretty accurate. This is why i wasn't going to say anything initially. All i intended to do was express my agreement to what parkster meant to say, when he started getting attacked.

I dont dislike any of you. I just feel laghlagh has had her selfish and inconsiderate moments here, which is a nicer way of putting what parkster said.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

ok i missed the word shit that parkster used. That is unacceptable. However, the other things i thought were pretty accurate. This is why i wasn't going to say anything initially. All i intended to do was express my agreement to what parkster meant to say, when he started getting attacked.

I dont dislike any of you. I just feel laghlagh has had her selfish and inconsiderate moments here, which is a nicer way of putting what parkster said.

Alright.

[ashlesha]

ok so you create two posts enthusiastically jumping at the chance to let it all out on the trail of someone else and now youre backing off and its all ok lmao.

we dont have to argue but adios. at least none of this came as a surprise.