Because without the Beta quadra, socionics wouldn't make much sense.
Beta Appreciation Thread
Because without the Beta quadra, socionics wouldn't make much sense.
When I think beta, I think of a badass with a leather jacket and elvis haircut.
The problem with Beta is that we're all basically sociopaths.
We are not sociopaths, we are warriors and poets. We are the rage and angst, and we are the color in an otherwise drab universe.. it is We who paint the town red.... yeah sometimes.. it's with the blood of our enemies, but you gotta get the color someplace.
And admit it.. we're so much cooler than a Delta
I understand that we're the ones who create meaning, etc.. The problem is that it's too easy for us to get swept away by rhetorical grandiloquence.Originally Posted by Ananzi
We are not sociopaths, we are warriors and poets. We are the rage and angst, and we are the color in an otherwise drab universe.. it is We who paint the town red.... yeah sometimes.. it's with the blood of our enemies, but you gotta get the color someplace.
And admit it.. we're so much cooler than a Delta
Look at Donald Trump. My initial reaction was "Hell yeah!" But I've taught myself to always assume that those in power are lying, so I spent hours Googling him, learning about his personality, past controversies, his political positions and their consistency over the years. That shrewdness brought me to the conclusion that was a joke candidate with shape shifting political views, shady business practices, and basically no credibility whatsoever.
How many other Betas do that? Three? The only reason I am able to think in this way is because I went to a private school that taught me how to think instead of what to think. That engendered in me a sense of curiosity that led me to the economics section of Barnes & Noble, so that I could make an informed judgment of all these glittery economy related words and promises being spouted by McCain and Obama. So when you place the quadra of action and passion into an environment that excludes these types of objective considerations, they're going to become psychopathic barbarians waiting to tear down the gates. Our natural thought processes just aren't concerned with digging up facts and weighing them from a cause-and-effect standpoint.
To make matters worse, what I did learn in private school was taught in a Te fashion. I'm able to do fine in such an environment because I understand Te fine and can take a paragraph of Te sleeping aid and extract the principle from it. Beta ethicals would always argue and get offended at these things because they didn't grasp them as they were being presented. I recently had a debate on Facebook with one of my old high school teachers, a staunch liberal brimming with all the typical fallacies and falsehoods that liberals tend to have about important things, such as the economy, history, etc. Anyway, we had a debate about the causes of the recent recession, and I was actually able to convert her, all because I explained my position in a Ti manner. Beta's don't get this at school.
So I think Betas major difficulty is that they're just not exposed to the proper presentation of important subjects. This creates a vacuum in their heads that liberal politicians - who are generally much more articulate than their conservative counterparts - are more than happy to feed a never-ending cascade of pretty sounding words and emotionally appealing rhetoric.
Don't know why I wrote all that. Anyway, bye.
Just a comment. I pay no attention to politics, don't watch TV, etc. and when someone mentioned Trump to me, I said, "He's just an opportunist." It doesn't take massive research to know what someone is. Buying bullshit isn't a beta trait, and not buying it isn't limited to those who went to private schools and do a lot of research.
Discojoe.. I've read a lot of your posts now, enough to form a fairly decent idea of who you are. If you are an LSI, you are a very unhealthy one.
And Frankly, I'm not sure what Donald Trump's political ambitions (or your own schooling for that matter) have to do with what I posted. Go hijack someplace else to get your attention fix.
And Joy.. please don't jump on this thread as a way to feed your ego either.. you're not any healthier.
Now.. back to topic.
Forest for the trees.
fiksyd
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
blah don't conflate yourself/the Betas you might know with all of Beta please.
Okay, yeah, if you want to attack my premises, then fine.
But this:
is a straw man.Yes, I get the gist of what you're saying, but I don't agree. I don't think betas are lacking in the ability for critical thought, nor do I think "thinking in Te" is a requirement of it.
Blah too late.
well, you're wrong.
Well, your mom's a whore.
Except that it's not.Implies a natural lack of critical thinking. I don't agree. Not any more prone to that than any other quadra. Although you didn't label it a "lack of critical thinking" that's what you're describing. So, not a straw man.
It in no way implies a lack of critical thinking ability. What the fuck.
No, it really doesn't. Naturally people aren't prone to digging up facts which are irrelevant to their own lives. I can think fine when confronted with a problem. But why am I going to pour through information on political candidates when I don't give a shit enough? The whole modern society is mentally specialized like that. It's not about critical thinking or some godly mental powers. You cannot critically think about something you know nothing about. You have to rely on people like DJ who do spend the time digging through the internet. You have to read what they say, appreciate you don't know shit about it, and if you find what he says to be truthful.. act on it. Otherwise just don't vote. There's no reason you have to have an opinion on everything. See I think that's the real problem with Beta NFs is they feel like they have to always have an opinion and know everything. They don't acknowledge and just accept what they do not know. And you're demonstrating that right here. It's a good thing if it drives you to find out more but it can also make you behave like a dumbass.
We Beta create contrast with you Delta folks.
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