my second video

[Pa3s]

Hey there, that's my better-quality, more authentic (potentially boring) video of myself for typing purposes. I don't know if the content is useful or not, but it's better than nothing.

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I'm interested in your type suggestion if you have one.

[1981slater]

LII!

[Pa3s]

LII!

EDIT: You can also tell me why you think that if you want.

[1981slater]

EDIT: You can also tell me why you think that if you want.

The very first thing that came to my mind is that you are obviously an intuitive type.

You seem Ti: calm but with some occasional smiling. The way you smile is natural: serious (Te/Fi) people have forced smiles.

Between ILE and LII, I think the latter makes more sense: ILEs tend to move a lot when talking.

[1981slater]

The "potentially boring" advice is a hallmark of LIIs

An ILE would have said: buckle your belts, wooo hoooo!!!

[Timeless]

According to my calculations:

Carefree/farsighted
Yielding/obstinate
Static/dynamic
Democratic/aristocratic
Tactical/strategic
Constructivist/emotivist
Positivist/negativist
Judicious/decisive
Merry/serious
Process/result
Asking/declaring

Key:
Red + Bold: Obvious
Red: Very likely
Gray: Less likely
Gray + Bold: No way

You have used a lot of, IMO, keywords, "[direct] connection, connotation, likely, unlikely, [misses the] point" etc. topping it with about the possibilities/creativity and topping that with α-values: How many times have you said and focused on "fun" ...? I think all of the above rules out Gamma + ILI/INTp completely.

On 7:50+ On your dream job, I can see why an ESE/ESFj would be good for you. Not only to make you squirt milk out of your noise when they make you laugh, but this too: While you said that "[architects] have very few opportunities" (+) I can see ESEs, since they're so focused on "today" using their - tactically to push/motivate you to just do it because you never know: PoLR + -HA.

I still say:

IJ + Infantile = -LII/INTj

[Pa3s]

Thanks for your awesome breakdown, timeless!

The very first thing that came to my mind is that you are obviously an intuitive type.

That's what I've thought before, but I'd not rule out being sensing. Like Ashton said before, I think the gap between N/S is overrrated.

An ILE would have said: buckle your belts, wooo hoooo!!!

Well, if an ILE made a video, it would probably be a little more focused on action, maybe.

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People have said before that IP-temperament would be obvious. I could see it, but I'm not entirely sure either.

[Krig the Viking]

You seem Ti: calm but with some occasional smiling. The way you smile is natural: serious (Te/Fi) people have forced smiles.

This was my thought as well. You seem open and receptive to Fe. Your disinterest in math and physics is actually something I've seen fairly frequently with LIIs, I think it has something to do with Te-Ignoring. ILEs, for example, tend to be much more comfortable with that sort of stuff, due to being Te-Demonstrative, and from what I've seen, Gamma NTs are often highly focused on math, numbers, calculations, etc.

As for subtype, it's a little hard to tell, but you don't seem like a C-LII, anyway -- they tend to have more of a "sharp-edged" vibe to them, with somewhat more abrupt movements and impulsive thinking style. Since the main other type you tend to be diagnosed as is ILI, it seems possible that you're an H-LII. That would explain your sort of "soft-edged" vibe, and more careful and deliberate movements and thinking style. Your method of choosing an occupation, for example, seemed very slow, methodical, and deliberate, reminiscent of an H-LII friend of mine.

[Galen]

Something about MD seems too "receptive" for him to be INTj. Like his energy isn't as stifled as is common in IJs, it's a lot more relaxed like I'd imagine out of an ISXp. Plus I'd like to think my positive interactions with him would render INTj a very unlikely option.

[Jarno]

LII!

i can see that, but I also can see ILI...

VI wise, I'm neutral.

his posting / writing style is ILI though.

[DividedsGhost]

You have a nice voice. You make the harsh sounding German language sound musical. Is it a special dialect that makes you that way or is it more specific to your personality?

[1981slater]

You have a nice voice. You make the harsh sounding German language sound musical. Is it a special dialect that makes you that way or is it more specific to your personality?

In "Die Hard" (with Bruce Willis), the Germans speak in a different way, not so "musical".

[Pa3s]

You have a nice voice. You make the harsh sounding German language sound musical. Is it a special dialect that makes you that way or is it more specific to your personality?

Thanks, I've never thought I'd have a musical sounding voice. I do have a slight dialect which takes the edge off the language a bit, but I'm generally speaking standard German. So I guess this is more related to my personality.

In "Die Hard" (with Bruce Willis), the Germans speak in a different way, not so "musical".

Of course, but this was not actually German. The actors speak some German words together with others which didn't make sense. The grammar is wrong, too btw.

[Marie84]

LII!

same. Strikes me as calm, collected and inoffensively PoLR

[Beautiful sky]

ILI; do you really need me to list the reasons why?

First, your Fe-PoLR really gets in the way of you doing/looking/saying anything in the least bit excited looking; your calm and even tone of speaking suggests more serious than merry type, and may even suggest Si Role. You're speaking about doing things, work, drive to Objective dynamic relations of job...Te.

[Pa3s]

Seems like the video can be interpreted very differently in some aspects:

First, your Fe-PoLR really gets in the way of you doing/looking/saying anything in the least bit excited looking;

vs.

You seem open and receptive to Fe.

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your calm and even tone of speaking suggests more serious than merry type, and may even suggest Si Role.

vs.

You seem Ti: calm but with some occasional smiling. The way you smile is natural: serious (Te/Fi) people have forced smiles.

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@Maritsa: I fully accept your guess and your opinion. But you lost a part of your credibility when you said that you'd never change your mind about one's type once you made a decision (If I remember correctly, but I'm pretty sure you said this). Don't take this personally, but I think people should be open to change their opinion in such a subjective field like socionics. However, if the current discussion gives you no reason to change your mind it's okay as well.

[Reuben]

The solution is to only accept seriously the opinions that are backed by a holistic analysis of you as an individual, with this video as one example to confirm a trend, or at least someone who considers multiple elements in the video instead of merely your body language, or what you talk about, or your hairstyle etc.

Furthermore, it is very important to examine the kind of values you hold. Being open to change in stance if it is in fact truer than what ones stance was is very LII (searching for truth while open to change Ti+Ne).

@Absurd

I'm glad you concur

[Absurd]

@Absurd

I'm glad you concur

Well, expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed.

[Beautiful sky]

Seems like the video can be interpreted very differently in some aspects:

First, your Fe-PoLR really gets in the way of you doing/looking/saying anything in the least bit excited looking;

vs.



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vs.

You seem Ti: calm but with some occasional smiling. The way you smile is natural: serious (Te/Fi) people have forced smiles.

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@Maritsa: I fully accept your guess and your opinion. But you lost a part of your credibility when you said that you'd never change your mind about one's type once you made a decision (If I remember correctly, but I'm pretty sure you said this). Don't take this personally, but I think people should be open to change their opinion in such a subjective field like socionics. However, if the current discussion gives you no reason to change your mind it's okay as well.

You have Ti demonstrative and it's as useful in distinction as your Fe. However, in the way that you present the choices in not choosing the other schools from which you were reject is in the form of a criticism of these schools and the way in which they conducted their programs. This is why they call ILI "the Critic."

They, like you in your video, use Ni to give the expected development of your option/event. I presume you have a pretty good understanding of how things will turn out by the choices that you make; you could argue here that this is using Ni role or Ni demo, but if you were LII, you wouldn't care about the FACTS behind your choice, because they ignore Te, they are much more concerned about theory and development of these. You seem more "realistic" in your expectations resulting from your choices from what you finally end up choosing; your descriptions and your entire video is in the form of presenting your choice as a process, because you start off stating your topic, make your points, walk thought the decisions you're thinking of and make a conclusion; in opposition of this, a RESULT type, would say "I chose to become a doctor." That's it, that's their result.

Your lack of seeing the general picture of what I'm describing to you in the above and nit picking other people's posts to support an argument that you may have already decided for yourself, may be an ignoring of Ne.
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Process

as an ignoring (7th) function (IEI and ILI)

The individual understands "external" connections made between different areas of knowledge and experience, but prefers to focus instead on "hidden" connections that have a special significance and help understand the mysterious, hidden nature of things. He is able to readily grasp the intrinsic potential of a given thing or situation, but prefers to restrict indulging such assessments in the face of understanding the latent processes underpinning said things. -Wiki

I believe that because of this last sentence this is why you're still "guessing" your type and probably why I'm an opposite because I do stick to my decisions(?).

[Nico1e]

Okay, I'm going to work on this again. This time I will suggest ESI.

If you were an LII, then you would have simply accepted LII as your type, after so many different people have told you that's what you are. There must be a reason why you still haven't accepted that one. You're being quite nice and tolerant about it, too, while so many people are insisting that's what you are. But still, you cannot say yes to that type.

The LIEs seem to be fond of you. ESI would make sense. However, what I don't like about suggesting you are an ESI is the fact that I have to ignore every single thing that you said about your own type so far (you've said you're a thinking type that values Si/Ne). I don't like to just dismiss all of that.

But I know about this from personal experience - I know that I used to test as an INTP, INTJ, INFP, ISFP, and ISTP, when I took the Myers-Briggs test. That's all four quadras! It's possible to think you might be a particular type for a long time, and totally change it later on.

Video:

"Drawing and designing was always fun, but I've never seen myself as an artist, mostly because the word 'artist' has a very negative connotation for me. I'd say, everyone can call themselves 'artist' basically but that's not the way it works for me. For me personally, art is necessarily linked with outstanding skill, and so many people who call themselves artists today can't actually exist, and that's why I'm pretty critical if people use this term." (2:43 sort of tight lipped smirk, contempt, disdain?)

You and I have this in common. A high respect for 'Skill' is associated with sensing. I've seen that written more often in the Keirsey and Myers-Briggs descriptions, more than I've seen it in socionics descriptions, but I believe it is true.

This might also be a disvaluing of unrestrained Fe. There are artists who like to throw splashes of paint randomly onto a canvas, and they say that it's 'Art' because they were 'expressing themselves,' but there is no skill in it. If that's the kind of art that you dislike, I would agree with you, I feel the same way about that. And if you were an ESI, it would be true that you don't respect art where people just express their feelings and call themselves artists, without any skill.

"While my teachers were very down-to-earth and gave me tasks which were reasonable... the tasks from the other schools appeared to be odd - the direct connection to reality was missing - one of the tasks was about walking through the forest and trying to find things, 'products from everyday life' as they said."

You didn't like tasks that were disconnected from reality. That is also associated with sensing.

This is the part where I wasn't sure if you would want me to post it, because I am pointing out how you show your hurt feelings on your face while you are telling this story.

"However, I chose the alternative and rebuilt an existing product as a model. It wasn't very different in the other school, we had to build objects from different materials, like rubber bands, cardboard and wires for example, but those weren't actually products but rather objects without any purpose. (mild scowl in eyebrows, doubtful, troubled, disapproving - again, this is a disapproval of impractical or useless things that are not connected to reality - sensing). I did it regardless of that, but later it seemed as both test results weren't good enough. (grin - slight laugh) since both schools rejected my application which surprised me a bit, because most of my works before were received well (a sound of crying or tears or trembling voice, hurt voice; looks off to the right side, frowning mouth). I wasn't shocked, but surprised nevertheless (brief scowl) (6:48). I could live with that result, I just thought I'll try again next year."

I noticed that you express your feelings naturally without strain, but you are not expressing them in a loud and obvious way. I could clearly understand how hurt you felt whenever they rejected your application, and how this was different from the other people who had liked your work in the past. This could possibly be Fi, introverted feeling. It's true that everyone will be expressing feelings on their faces while they are telling a story, but it seemed like you were reliving and re-enacting the feelings again, and that's something that not everyone does. I tend to make friends with people who express their feelings this way, in real life.

That doesn't necessarily prove that you are a Fi type. It is only a hint or suggestion that you might be.

There's a reason why I'm considering an SF type. I think that SF types have more difficulty deciding what types they are and arguing for it, especially introverts.

I have always seen you being 'nice' in the forum. Again, this is only a vague impression, but it is part of the reason why I am suggesting an SF type for you.

How do you feel about gamma and ESI? Is there anything about that type that seems totally impossible or unlikely for you? I realize that the descriptions might not sound good for that type, but I have known many ESIs in real life, and I like them and I think that a lot of the type descriptions don't do them justice - possibly the people who write the descriptions are a type who doesn't like ESIs. I found that it helps to read descriptions written by a variety of other people. The ISFJ is the same thing, and I know a lot of web pages with descriptions of them. Do your intertype relations with Gamma NTs work out well? As I said, the LIEs seem to like you, and the ILIs would too (that is, if they were actually ILIs!)

[silke]

Seems like the video can be interpreted very differently in some aspects:

going just by visual cues and foregoing any interpretations, the way you present yourself reminds me of the pics in the third row in this thread that Timeless has posted, you have that same sort of self-controlled composure

[Pa3s]

^ I've said in this thread that two people of the IP-row remind me of myself. But in the video, I look more tense and upright than I thought.

[krieger]

you look a bit like Larry Page:







Rick's typing of him as INTp is one i have no qualms with supporting.

http://www.socionics.us/celebrities/ili.shtml

[Pa3s]

you look a bit like Larry Page

Hmm, maybe a bit yeah.

Fwiw, I've made some photomashes to compare:

*gone*

pic A: me (2 photos), C. Eastwood, Neil Patrick Harris, Ben Affleck --> ISTp

pic B: me (2 photos), Simon Cowell, Viggo Mortensen, Vincent Gallo --> INTj

Both are a little weird.

[Jarno]

I'm interested in your type suggestion if you have one.

wow, I have to apologize, I am for the LII party now...

I could see it clearly now by your facial/mouth movements, typical LII, that I've seen before.

So you're not ILI. It seems I cannot type that well from posts after all

[Pa3s]

wow, I have to apologize, I am for the LII party now...

No problem. If you have a justified reason to change your mind it's better to put it right here instead of keep quiet because you don't want people question your credibility.

[Jarno]

wow, I have to apologize, I am for the LII party now...

No problem. If you have a justified reason to change your mind it's better to put it right here instead of keep quiet because you don't want people question your credibility.

exactly. see you think alike me, it's confusing. but I'm very confident in LII now so won't be seeing any changes from me. The vid was very helpful.

[Reuben]

@Jarno

I don't usually question people's self-typing too much, but do you think you may be alpha NT after all Jarno? You identified with me, and now MD, and we're both alpha NT.

I'm also aware of some people in gamma who don't believe you belong to that quadra due to various reasons, but I'm sure they have some reason to say so. Would you like to reconsider your type in another thread?

[Jarno]

Would you like to reconsider your type in another thread?

nah, my intertype relationships are that of an ILI-Te.

I've lived with my conflictor for 4 years, even the curse words used between conflictors were correctly identified by socionics relationship descriptions (russian) . I think I've dated the whole socion, and all relationships seem to pretty accurately work out as expected. I can't be anything else than ILI.

The gamma's that think I'm not gamma, are just jealous because I'm much cooler than them.

I probably just shouldn't be so quickly too judge posts. I'm making to many mistakes with that stuff.

[1981slater]

"The possibilities are almost unlimited"

N

BTW, Nico1e, I claim that you are either EII or LII

[Beautiful sky]

"The possibilities are almost unlimited"

N

BTW, Nico1e, I claim that you are either EII or LII

Are you stirring the pot for fun or reactions?

[Korpsy Knievel]

My randumb datumz on Br'er Doomer:

• Enjoys discussing ideas. - T
• Doesn't usually get flustered by opposition to his ideas or become haughty or defensive. - Well adjusted, IP>IJ, Ignoring-Se
• Yields readily to better information. - Irrational
• Dry and subdued persona, though generally upbeat without being what I regard as obnoxious. - Te/Fi
• Seeks to proactively improve and preserve society's material conditions through social-democratic technocratic policy that values environmental concerns (if memory serves me correctly). - Modern German, duh; probably Si/Te/Fi.
• For what it's worth, felt moved by a video from a Russian typology site of a supposed female IEE crying. Attraction to known or suspected ESEs hasn't been noted by me, and I get the impression he'd be a bit embarrassed by some of their goofier antics.
• Realistic and grounded outlook, not given to wild flights of fancy, at least outwardly to my knowledge, though enjoys sci-fi and other fantastic diversions. Si/Te, DS-Ne.
• Isn't passive-aggressive or prone to projection or provocation - Fi>Fe, probably from a stable home
• In some senses is given to thinking of present societal conditions as closely resembling those of the fairly recent past, i.e. it is now as it has been (though this ain't really true even within the span of the last two or three decades by dint of internets and cell phones and globalism and whatnot) - I'd chalk this up to youthful inexperience but also possibly a preference for S>N since it doesn't consider origins and implications of phenomena within a more extensive spatio-temporal/causal context.
• Doesn't have his head jammed up his ass or march about in a superhero cape, nor does he begin lying or performing contortions when shown to be wrong. - Sane, humble, reasonable, and not Ti/Fe

Between the aforementioned and etc. etc. etc. my best guess is Te-SLI.

[silke]

My randumb datumz on Br'er Doomer:

• Enjoys discussing ideas. - T
• Doesn't usually get flustered by opposition to his ideas or become haughty or defensive. - Well adjusted, IP>IJ, Ignoring-Se
• Yields readily to better information. - Irrational
• Dry and subdued persona, though generally upbeat without being what I regard as obnoxious. - Te/Fi
• Seeks to proactively improve and preserve society's material conditions through social-democratic technocratic policy that values environmental concerns (if memory serves me correctly). - Modern German, duh; probably Si/Te/Fi.
• For what it's worth, felt moved by a video from a Russian typology site of a supposed female IEE crying. Attraction to known or suspected ESEs hasn't been noted by me, and I get the impression he'd be a bit embarrassed by some of their goofier antics.
• Realistic and grounded outlook, not given to wild flights of fancy, at least outwardly to my knowledge, though enjoys sci-fi and other fantastic diversions. Si/Te, DS-Ne.
• Isn't passive-aggressive or prone to projection or provocation - Fi>Fe
• In some senses is given to thinking of present societal conditions as closely resembling those of the fairly recent past, i.e. it is now as it has been (though this ain't really true even within the span of the last two or three decades by dint of internets and cell phones and globalism and whatnot) - I'd chalk this up to youthful inexperience but also possibly a preference for S>N since it doesn't consider origins and implications of phenomena within a more extensive spatio-temporal/causal context.
• Doesn't have his head jammed up his ass or march about in a superhero cape, nor does he begin lying or performing contortions when shown to be wrong. - Sane, humble, reasonable, and not Ti/Fe

Between the aforementioned and etc. etc. etc. my best guess is Te-SLI.

Or in other words, the kind of presentation any emotionally stable, reasonable person will give you.

-Isn't passive-aggressive or prone to projection or provocation - Fi>Fe
-Sane, humble, reasonable, and not Ti/Fe

So Ti/Fe in your view is equivalent to being passive-aggressive, prone to projection, not humble, unreasonable and insane.
Biased in favor of your own functions much?

[Galen]

Or in other words, the kind of presentation any emotionally stable, reasonable person will give you.

So Ti/Fe in your view is equivalent to being passive-aggressive, prone to projection, not humble, unreasonable and insane.
Biased in favor of your own functions much?

Nobody asked me, but I'm guessing that k0rp isn't really saying that the IEs are specific objectively-measurable sentiments in and of themselves. The way I interpret it, he's speaking about the IEs solely from his own perspective as an irrational, non-Fe/Ti type. The reactions he's describing are not depictions of the elements themselves as much as they are indirect, personally-relevant indicators of the IEs in question.

[Korpsy Knievel]

So Ti/Fe in your view is equivalent to being passive-aggressive, prone to projection, not humble, unreasonable and insane.

What if I said yes?

Biased in favor of your own functions much?

No more than you are, darling dear.

[silke]

Nobody asked me, but I'm guessing that k0rp isn't really saying that the IEs are specific objectively-measurable sentiments in and of themselves. The way I interpret it, he's speaking about the IEs solely from his own perspective as an irrational, non-Fe/Ti type. The reactions he's describing are not depictions of the elements themselves as much as they are indirect, personally-relevant indicators of the IEs in question.

There are plenty examples of people not getting along with individuals within their own quadra while being on amiable terms with people from opposing quadra. These kind of personal, highly subjective statements hardly substantiate Megadoomer's typing.

What if I said yes?

Sure. Do tell just in how much regard you hold Ti/Fe.

No more than you are, darling dear.

proof?

[Korpsy Knievel]

There are plenty examples of people not getting along with individuals within their own quadra while being on amiable terms with people from opposing quadra.

It would be quite silly to think otherwise.

These kind of personal, highly subjective statements hardly substantiate Megadoomer's typing.

Let's not mistake product for process. The content and tone of the statements don't necessarily have to reflect my observations and analysis, particularly if they're presented such that unwary and reactive individuals who over-identify with their alpha- or beta-ness might be lured into providing me with entertainment. So thanks for being the one. It's a good thing nico1e figured out I was SLE as it cements our union for all time.

Nobody asked me, but I'm guessing that k0rp isn't really saying that the IEs are specific objectively-measurable sentiments in and of themselves. The way I interpret it, he's speaking about the IEs solely from his own perspective as an irrational, non-Fe/Ti type. The reactions he's describing are not depictions of the elements themselves as much as they are indirect, personally-relevant indicators of the IEs in question.

Good looking out, cult brother *secret fist bump*, but I'm actually describing common traits I find irksome in persons who just happen to instantiate Ti/Fe. (but keep this on the DL, braheim: gammas and deltas are sometimes irritating like this, too) Whether that cognitive orientation correlates with the aforementioned behaviors is yet unknown. EDIT: My mind obviously departed my brain for a while as I completely misread what you said. Your interpretation is accurate.

[Korpsy Knievel]

These kind of personal, highly subjective statements hardly substantiate Megadoomer's typing.

The really rib-tickling part about this is that socionics is the study of human inter-relations, but only when it isn't inconvenient to winning arguments on the internet. *smooch*

[Beautiful sky]

My randumb datumz on Br'er Doomer:
[LIST][*]Enjoys discussing ideas. - T

Not all T types like doing that.

[*]Doesn't usually get flustered by opposition to his ideas or become haughty or defensive. - Well adjusted, IP>IJ, Ignoring-Se

More related to Fe PoLR -having/remaining composure at the face of external emotional expressions

[*]Yields readily to better information. - Irrational

Adaptable, somewhat related to Irrationality

[*]Dry and subdued persona, though generally upbeat without being what I regard as obnoxious. - Te/Fi

That's a good one.

[*]Seeks to proactively improve and preserve society's material conditions through social-democratic technocratic policy that values environmental concerns (if memory serves me correctly). - Modern German, duh; probably Si/Te/Fi.

Any type can want to do this but better relations to Te/Fi.

[*]Realistic and grounded outlook, not given to wild flights of fancy, at least outwardly to my knowledge, though enjoys sci-fi and other fantastic diversions. Si/Te, DS-Ne.

Isn't "Realistic"/Empirical more in line with Se valuing as opposed to Si/Ne?

[*]Isn't passive-aggressive or prone to projection or provocation - Fi>Fe, probably from a stable home

Thinker types do tend to be logical rather than emotional.

[*]In some senses is given to thinking of present societal conditions as closely resembling those of the fairly recent past, i.e. it is now as it has been (though this ain't really true even within the span of the last two or three decades by dint of internets and cell phones and globalism and whatnot) - I'd chalk this up to youthful inexperience but also possibly a preference for S>N since it doesn't consider origins and implications of phenomena within a more extensive spatio-temporal/causal context.

Again Ni/Se relation

[*]Doesn't have his head jammed up his ass or march about in a superhero cape, nor does he begin lying or performing contortions when shown to be wrong. - Sane, humble, reasonable, and not Ti/Fe

I agree

Between the aforementioned and etc. etc. etc. my best guess is Te-SLI.

Mine would be ILI

[Korpsy Knievel]

Between the aforementioned and etc. etc. etc. my best guess is Te-SLI.

Mine would be ILI

I doubt that's correct.