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pa·tri·arch·y Noun /ˈpātrēˌärkē/
1) A system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line
2) A system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it
3) A society or community organized in this way
pa·ter·nal·ism Noun /pəˈtərnlˌizəm/
1) The policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinates' supposed best interest
male chauvinism
1) a term used to describe the belief that men are superior to women. It is often used interchangeably with "sexism" and is closely associated with misogyny and perceptions of women as inferior to men, especially intellectually.
Is this dude an LSE?
Projectionist...paranoid annd lacking natural self-control.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I suppose the words "sexism," "pseudo-intellectual," and "religious conservative" come to mind. I wonder if there's a word for a person who thinks their title justifies their views and makes them correct?
Sounds like you need a new shrink for sure.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
he sounds like a presumptuous, small-minded person whom despite his education has remained unworldly and imperceptive, who is also lacking in the kind of emotional awareness that would give him the ability to empathize with and understand you - his apparent overconfidence (whether real or feigned) when making his declarations only adds to the offensiveness of his ignorance.
i don't know how to sum it up in one word/term; that's the best way i can think of atm to summarize this mindset and how it seems to be affecting you.
Last edited by glam; 03-16-2011 at 05:55 PM.
@ Dolphin: *tip o' the hat* Actually since I thought you'd mentioned reading feminist literature before I was surprised you haven't seen those terms often. Perhaps contemporary fem-lit has moved away from office inequities to focus on contraception ethics and porn critique.
Also, from your description I suspect that your shrink may be crying out for help. :(
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
yes it could make him more neurotic, but only if he dealt with the awareness with some sort of denial - by trying to bury it, shoving it back and away so that he doesn't have to think about or deal with it directly, and/or while trying to pretend to be something else. if he were to become truly aware of himself, it might rock his world, but in the end i don't think he would be so neurotic anymore - "the truth shall set you free" and all that.
Good idea. If his behavior and approach aren't beneficial for you there's no good reason for you to be working with him.
#1 LSEA man who sees women primarily as a species rather than individuals. A trained professional who uses his title as leverage within interaction to somewhat disguise the fact that he doesn't/can't relate to women on an individual level or treat them as unique personalities. Assesses them as if they would be better off separately congregated in a church service/knitting circle to get their needs met because the only way they are going to get their (implied unreasonable) needs met is if they flock like chickens (chickens who do not understand/accept the cold hard realities of life). Refers to religious memes as a way to control one's inner demons. Subtly continually implies/insists that my silly, henpecked inner life revolves around anger, and that I live from a sense of Ego that desires to control others.
#2 Old fashioned
#3 LII
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1 Your perspective is right, the actuality is that I am LII, and my perspective is wrong.
2 Your perspective is wrong, the actuality is that I am ILI, and my perspective is right.
3 Your perspective is wrong, the actuality is that I am some other type, and my perspective is wrong.
I am inclined towards option # 2.
If you can't see my "If this, then that; else this" nature, then you fail at ILI tracking. Besides, I'm past the point of needing outside confirmation; where I'm at, if I was wrong about ILI, it would be a cataclysmic realization, nothing less than "biblical".
Lol. Are you really EIE? I see you're trying to throw off my foundation of belief.
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Surprise...
Actually that kind of natural, innate use of Boolean logic is about as symptomatic of Ti in the ego as it gets. Te is generally much more simplistic/explicit than symbolic logic.If you can't see my "If this, then that; else this" nature, then you fail at ILI tracking.
Also the Architect is an archetypal LII, from Alpha, the "generative" quadra.
www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DL0AiN8vrn9YBesides, I'm past the point of needing outside confirmation; where I'm at, if I was wrong about ILI, it would be a cataclysmic realization, nothing less than "biblical".
Funny, I don't think an irrational type would have such a hard time coping with a simple change in perspective.
No and no, but I kind of play one here on the forum. I'm most likely ILE.Lol. Are you really EIE? I see you're trying to throw off my foundation of belief.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
It's not Boolean logic.
It's a conditional argument / statement for programming / determining action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_conditional
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_ponens
The avatar has nothing to do with my actual type. Though I realize his apparent , I am still undecided on the Architect's type.Also the Architect is an archetypal LII, from Alpha, the "generative" quadra.
Oh and I get, so then Beta is the degenerative quadra.
www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DL0AiN8vrn9Y
It's not a simple change in perspective. As I've said, I'm at a point where it is my understanding that I am ILI and I have confirmed it pragmatically. You are trying to debase my Vital understanding and beliefs and I cannot and will not let it happen so easily.Funny, I don't think an irrational type would have such a hard time coping with a simple change in perspective.
Irrationality is indirectly relevant.
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...which is basically what Boolean/symbolic logicares the most abstract forms/lowest common denominators of. I founded a class at my high school, a highly-regarded New England boarding school, about symbolic logic, so pulling a fast one is unadvised :wink:
More like the destructive quadra. But don't expect me to be offended; I'm leaning Alpha for myself these days.Oh and I get, so then Beta is the degenerative quadra.
It is if you don't put an unnecessary force of self-perception into it. It's just a label.It's not a simple change in perspective.
*shrug* Think whatever you like; I don't know that I've ever seen an ILI take such a black-and-white stance on something as uncertain and open to interpretation as personality typology. You don't seem anything remotely like an ILI to me; currently I'm thinking LSI>/=LII>ILE. So don't expect to tout your type openly, or make any kind of references dependent on your being ILI, without me being there to question you actively, because quite frankly you are a very, very clear exemplar of a Ti type's style of diction and behavior to me. Nothing personal; I just can't see you as ILI at all.As I've said, I'm at a point where it is my understanding that I am ILI and I have confirmed it pragmatically. You are trying to debase my Vital understanding and beliefs and I cannot and will not let it happen so easily.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Material conditioning has no instructions for 0 or FALSE operations. Only 1 or True. Therefore it is not Boolean logic. They are not the same thing.
Is this supportive of your grasp of logic? One can derive from this context that the people who highly regard your New England boarding school and let you found a class are uninformed themselves. Furthermore, just because you claim any of this does not make it true.I founded a class at my high school, a highly-regarded New England boarding school, about symbolic logic, so pulling a fast one is unadvised :wink:
You don't have Vital .It is if you don't put an unnecessary force of self-perception into it. It's just a label.
Okay, I get it. You're joking.*shrug* Think whatever you like; I don't know that I've ever seen an ILI take such a black-and-white stance on something as uncertain and open to interpretation as personality typology. You don't seem anything remotely like an ILI to me; currently I'm thinking LSI>/=LII>ILE. So don't expect to tout your type openly, or make any kind of references dependent on your being ILI, without me being there to question you actively, because quite frankly you are a very, very clear exemplar of a Ti type's style of diction and behavior to me. Nothing personal; I just can't see you as ILI at all.
You had me fooled, thinking you were serious.
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Points for being a walking textbook. My general point stands: that kind of natural symbolic logic-esque thinking is concurrent with you being a Ti ego.
Right, the fact that I referenced Boolean logic in a flexible manner implies that my boarding school is trash. Jesus, how fucking retarded are you? Your logic is mathematically fine but your common sense fucking sucks.Is this supportive of your grasp of logic? One can derive from this context that the people who highly regard your New England boarding school and let you found a class are uninformed themselves.
HOLY HELL REALLY?Furthermore, just because you claim any of this does not make it true.
You don't have to believe me. I can set up a conference webcam chat with my professor tonight if you'd like.
Ok. And how do you arrive at this conclusion? Because Vital Ti types take it personally when their types are questioned? Give me a break. It's not this simple. You are being too TiYou don't have Vital .
HURRRRRROkay, I get it. You're joking.
You had me fooled, thinking you were serious.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
You need to get a new psyciarist bad, listening to this is painful, I know I personally struggle internally with the kind of conflict that goes on between you two.
You want to be kind and compassionate, he wants to master his anger and control things. I think he's projecting this need he has for mastery onto others. I think in fact he is working through personal issues but projects these onto others and feels as though he is both helping himself and others at the same time, when in fact he could be interfering with your innocence by inciting you into anger and control issues that aren't even manifest.
I deal with that issue internally mainly, I'll go through life trying to be kind and nice and then snap to going in a mood were I want to just dominate like a badass, but then feel guilty. It sounds like this guys projections are causing an intensity in this internal conflict in you.
Sound epic kind of, go retreat into deep buddhist training master your anger then come back and school his sorry ass in a test of wills. He starts making claims about you, you begin questioning them.... "but master isn't anger only....." said in a mixture of keanu reeves/ian mckellen/liam neeson, eventually he looses his cool after a length dialgoue battle/test of wills and he pulls out a katana and exposes his true nature and you fight to the death, confident as you have mastered and trancended your anger you win the battle, afterwhich you free all his students, teach them to believe in themselves and not the guru, then retreat to peaceful serenity having overthrown the tyrant.
Lol.... but then again I realize reality isn't like that..... hahaha but whatever
I think you need to choose your teacher, it has to be a connection like anything else, don't trust credentials, look for a connection that is intuitive and natural.
List of people not to take seriously:
George W. Bush Jr.
Drunken homeless people
Most conspirators
E-thugs
Fake thugs
Women
Gilly
There you go.
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Yessssss, I officially have a new adversary. It's been so long.
Too bad you're totally unworthy, considering my past competition...Ashton, DJ, strrrng and the likes will be disgraced to count such blundering midst their numbers.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Maybe his wife or something is a b!tch and he is projecting that unto other women. I'm not saying that it is right, but women do the same thing to men, only don't verbalize it as much.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Meant Dem . If I don't have a clear understanding of the work I can't move forward at all. It takes awhile for me to develop a reasonable understanding and when I do it's frustrating to take in new systems / structures.
Basically, I don't like to change my positions frequently; I'm pretty conservative in that regard.
(i)NTFS
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-
Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html