Is this an accurate description of SLI-ISTp?

[glam]

For now, lol.

Gilly, stay this madness

[Suz]

Yes, but it's something that's taken for granted; nothing is a one-to-one correlation in socionics, but little things like getting along with someone are pieces to a larger puzzle that you have to try to put together. You can't just throw out evidence because it's not definitive; that's retarded. It's not even related to anything I'm basing my claims on, anyways; your argument is not only uneducated, it's also completely out of the blue and has nothing to do with anything in this thread except to be a quasi-conciliatory discouragement for further discussion.

I see what the problem is. You misinterpreted the intent behind my statement. My statement was not an attempt at providing evidence to you for why i think Jessica is SLI. Heck I could care less at providing evidence to you about anything.

To me, Jessica saying she feels most comfortable in delta and identifies with being SLI after extensive experience interacting with both quadras, is sufficient evidence. I have no evidence pointing to her NOT being SLI at the moment. I am also comfortable with uncertainty with regards to Jessica's type.

[Gilly]

I see what the problem is. You misinterpreted the intent behind my statement. My statement was not an attempt at providing evidence to you for why i think Jessica is SLI. Heck I could care less at providing evidence to you about anything.[

Oh? And what was your intent?

To me, Jessica saying she feels most comfortable in delta and identifies with being SLI after extensive experience interacting with both quadras, is sufficient evidence. I have no evidence pointing to her NOT being SLI at the moment. I am also comfortable with uncertainty with regards to Jessica's type.

Well apparently 6 years is the cutoff then. 5 wasn't enough, I suppose, seeing as she was recently convinced of LSI.

[Gilly]

Gilly, stay this madness

srsly, yo.

[Absurd]

Silly question, smart answer.

Don't push me

Oh yea, which part of "I promise not to steal your thread, just curious" you meant seriously ?

[Gilly]

Don't push me

This is me scared

Oh yea, which part of "I promise not to steal your thread, just curious" you meant seriously ?

You're the one asking me questions. If you have anything real to say, we can talk over pm.

[Suz]

Oh? And what was your intent?

My intent was just to state that it isn't out of the question for someone to identify with one quadra and still get along with people from another quadra.

Well apparently 6 years is the cutoff then. 5 wasn't enough, I suppose, seeing as she was recently convinced of LSI.

There are no cutoffs in this business. Sounds like she was doing fine with the SLI typing, then briefly considered the possibility of LSI, tried it on, and ultimately decided against that possibility. It didn't sound to me like she decided LSI because SLI was not fitting her in the least.

[Absurd]

This is me scared

This is me not.

You're the one asking me questions. If you have anything real to say, we can talk over pm.

I only asked you once before, you didn't need to, you know, go all buddha on me. Yea, I'll drop you a line soon.

[Suz]

This is me not.



I only asked you once before, you didn't need to, you know, go all buddha on me. Yea, I'll drop you a line soon.

[Gilly]

My intent was just to state that it isn't out of the question for someone to identify with one quadra and still get along with people from another quadra.

Right, you were just stating an arbitrary fact without any regard for its relevance to the situation at hand. You're either stupid or wrong, which one is it?

There are no cutoffs in this business. Sounds like she was doing fine with the SLI typing, then briefly considered the possibility of LSI, tried it on, and ultimately decided against that possibility. It didn't sound to me like she decided LSI because SLI was not fitting her in the least.

Glad to have your projections. Maybe you should wait until you have something constructive to say before you go on rambling.

[Gilly]

This is me not.

oooooooo

I only asked you once before, you didn't need to, you know, go all buddha on me. Yea, I'll drop you a line soon.

I'll be waiting with baited breath.

[Jarno]

I agree that if she's SLI, she's Si subtype.

no, she doesn't match the vi of an Si sub. also she always sounds very reasonable, very Te creative.

[Gilly]

no, she doesn't match the vi of an Si sub. also she always sounds very reasonable, very Te creative.

[Slacker]

All SLIs are Te creative, and VI isn't that strong an argument.

[Absurd]

I'll be waiting with baited breath.

Ahh, to hell with it, I'll do it here. The SLI in question doesn't mind.

So, you said that Ashton fiddles with peoples' typings, okay. I asked didn't he type you ILE while you insisted on EIE before. Now you sport a fancy ILE typing for yourself and are willing to swing it, I don't get it.

[Gilly]

Ahh, to hell with it, I'll do it here. The SLI in question doesn't mind.

So, you said that Ashton fiddles with peoples' typings, okay. I asked didn't he type you ILE while you insisted on EIE before. Now you sport a fancy ILE typing for yourself and are willing to swing it, I don't get it.

All I said is that he uses inappropriate methods of refuting others' typings in exactly the same manner; that doesn't mean I think his typings are all wrong. I agree with plenty of his typings; I disagree with plenty as well. I happen to think his typing of Eminem as LSE is fucking hysterical, but for the moment I tend to agree that I'm ILE, though that may very well change soon enough.

[Absurd]

I tend to agree that I'm ILE, though that may very well change soon enough.

That's what I wanted to hear, you basically agree with him to disagree. Thanks for making it clear.

[Gilly]

[thePirate]

1. workaholics, you have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. you are desperately trying to fit jess in a typing; its causing you to be misleading.


2. gilly you shit out Fe, come to your senses.


3.jess good luck with your typing, I dont think LSI is completely out of the picture but maybe mingling with some deltas may do something for ya, who knows

[Gilly]

Please...no...

[crazedrat]

Meh she is a mix. SLI-LSI I say. Gilly is probably a similar mix of ENFj-Ne something too. Trying to choose just one type is the real flaw.

[Gilly]

Meh she is a mix. SLI-LSI I say. Gilly is probably a similar mix of ENFj-Ne something too. Trying to choose just one type is the real flaw.

Preach. After 5 years of ridiculing him, I think I'm down for tcaud's theory.

[jessica129]

This wasn't meant to turn into another type thread for me...I don't think there's a mix of anything for me, I'm not LSI at all. But whatever, carry on..

[Suz]

1. workaholics, you have no idea what you're talking about, as usual. you are desperately trying to fit jess in a typing; its causing you to be misleading.

No i'm not. You guys are the ones trying to fit her into a typing that she has clearly stated she doesn't think fits her anymore. I'm just saying she should be the one to decide, that's all. I have barely talked to jessica myself and dont know much about her. Nowhere did i ever try to say, oh yes Jessica IMO is 100% SLI. Stop displacing your motives onto others.

And I dont think you really know what I know or what ideas i have about anything. Yeah i didn't know what i was talking about a year and a half ago when i first joined the forum and was a complete newb to socionics, but my knowledge and understanding has come a LONG way since then. Of course, there is always room for improvement--i dont claim to be the end-all be-all expert here, in contrast to you guys. I argue that you dont really know what you're talking about either.

[Gilly]

No i'm not. You guys are the ones you are trying to fit her into a typing. I'm just saying she should be the one to decide, that's all.

Do you seriously think anyone disagrees?

I have barely talked to jessica myself and dont know much about her.

THANKS FOR THE INPUT

So you've basically just admitted that you're in here to spew out maxims that aren't even needed or applicable to the situation. THANKS YOU REALLY HELPED A LOT

And I dont think you really know what I know or what ideas i have about anything. Yeah i didn't know what i was talking about a year and a half ago when i first joined the forum and was a complete newb to socionics, but my knowledge and understanding has come a LONG way since then. Of course, there is always room for improvement--i dont claim to be the end-all be-all expert here, in contrast to you guys. I argue that you dont really know what you're talking about either.

lmfao. Go away.

[Cyrano]

Ignore them Anon. You know more than most, and many of us hear what you have to say.

[Gilly]

Ignore them Anon. You know more than most, and many of us hear what you have to say.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA



OMG

[Suz]

Ignore them Anon. You know more than most, and many of us hear what you have to say.

Thanks Cyrano, rest assured I am ignoring their immature attempts at raising their own self-esteems. I just wanted to set a couple things straight.

[Gilly]

lol no you're not, you've been holding on for like 10 pages. I would be intensely relieved if you would coddle your fractured ego elsewhere.

[Suz]

lol no you're not, you've been holding on for like 10 pages. I would be intensely relieved if you would coddle your fractured ego elsewhere.

my ego's not fractured. On the contrary, yours seems to be.

[Gilly]

Well aren't you clever

[thePirate]

No i'm not. You guys are the ones trying to fit her into a typing that she has clearly stated she doesn't think fits her anymore. I'm just saying she should be the one to decide, that's all. I have barely talked to jessica myself and dont know much about her. Nowhere did i ever try to say, oh yes Jessica IMO is 100% SLI. Stop displacing your motives onto others.

My last post was my first post here, and I literally told her that trying out delta might be good for her - so what are you talking about? You are clearly trying to fit her into SLI by saying stuff like:

Sounds like she was doing fine with the SLI typing, then briefly considered the possibility of LSI, tried it on, and ultimately decided against that possibility. It didn't sound to me like she decided LSI because SLI was not fitting her in the least.

Where did she say this? I actually know this is not the case, so why put this in here? It's only skewing information and making LSI seem more unlikely, when in reality, there were problems seen in that original typing by Jess.


Also:

but you did that because you were concerned about the coworker's health, iirc. And it was an Fe-POLR-ish way to handle that.

Attributing false motives and pinning that to Fe-PoLR, you don't see how this is misleading? Even if it had been the case where you had guessed her motive correctly, there's nothing indicating its Fe-PoLR

and I dont think you really know what I know or what ideas i have about anything. Yeah i didn't know what i was talking about a year and a half ago when i first joined the forum and was a complete newb to socionics, but my knowledge and understanding has come a LONG way since then. Of course, there is always room for improvement--i dont claim to be the end-all be-all expert here, in contrast to you guys. I argue that you dont really know what you're talking about either.

Your understanding is shaky at best, I've been reading your posts, among others. You've developed some sense of unwarranted arrogance about what you think you know - Maritza's understanding looks better than yours at this point. I just don't bother to say anything because this forum's filled with misleading information now, much worse than before. Don't let that mistake you for thinking you actually have a grasp of the concepts. If you think my understanding is flawed, please look through my posts and point to an error of mine you wish to bring to light - because I have several I can point out for you

Ignore them Anon. You know more than most, and many of us hear what you have to say.

Is this you trying to be supportive, or an actual statement in which you have sufficient evidence(links to her posts) to back this up?

[squark]

I've been trying to find a good example of a real SLI woman and often read about Grace Kelly being type as such. I stumbled upon this description and identified with it so much. Word for word, it's me. I wanted to know if any other SLI's agree? Basically just take out Grace Kelly and replace it with SLI and see if this description works...



edit, this would be a very positive description of the SLI instead of all the negative ones people seem to have.

It's not at all how I would describe the SLIs that I know personally (granted, all of them are male) but I'll make comments on it with my observations to clarify where I see/don't see it fitting, if that's useful at all.

Tenderhearted and sympathetic to an unusual degree, Grace Kelly has an understanding of other people's feelings and needs which borders on telepathy. Really depends on what you mean by this. The SLIs I know best are all quite considerate and willing to help a person with practically anything they can, and seem to understand people's feelings in a real-time, immediate type of way, but say nothing, and do not understand imo very deep or complex kinds of emotions, instead, it's all rather surfacey sort of things, and they show very little emotion themselves. The most you really get is a kind of warmth in their eyes, a smile, or when angry an intense hatred can radiate off of them that is quite surprising. Grace Kelly is extremely compassionate and cannot bear to see any fellow creature - human or animal - suffer. Because of her kindness, people suffering from pain or confusion are drawn to Kelly for help, which she readily gives. Very true of the SLIs that I know. Sometimes Kelly's soft-heartedness is taken advantage of. She is a gentle soul and has a great love and affinity for music. Because many of her feelings are vague and she cannot easily verbalize how she experiences life, music seems a natural language for Kelly. She is also romantic and often "in love with love". eh, never observed anything like this in them.

She is emotionally expressive and often dramatizes her feelings, acting them out or blowing them out of proportion. Absolutely not. They often underexpress their emotions, with only their eyes giving them away ime. Grace Kelly cannot hide her instinctive emotional reactions to people or situations, and she does not make any pretenses about her personal sympathies or antipathies. True in some cases I know, not in others, and the emotional reaction almost always seems very subtle, except when I had one angry at me. . . that was something else.

Grace Kelly has a childlike openness and playfulness which is very appealing to others, but which sometimes gets her into trouble, as Grace takes risks on impulse or whim. She is assertive and confronts difficulties in a direct, no-nonsense sort of way. Grace Kelly cannot tolerate self-pity or passivity, and she can be rather brusque with others' emotional problems. "Stop crying and do something about it" might be Kelly's motto. Not impulsive imo, but will be risk-taking in an accepted kind of way. I've been friends with one SLI since we were kids, and I'm definitely the impulsive one, with the risks I take being much more on whim and unexpected, not standard sort of things, but otoh, he has a high-risk job, and participates regularly in activities people generally consider dangerous or high-risk, but it's all planned. Not impulsive. He takes more risks than I do on a regular basis, but they're not the spur-of-the-moment kinds of things I might do. Another SLI I know, I just realized also has taken high-risks jobs, where putting his life in danger was a routine activity, but again, not impulsive or reckless in the least.

She enjoys emotional intensity and is attracted to the mysterious, the unknown, and dangerous or challenging experiences that draw on all of her inner resources. She is able to handle an emotional crisis very well and is interested in the underlying root of emotional problems and how to cure them. I don't know if they enjoy emotional intensity, but the rest appears to be true of the ones I know. Grace Kelly insists on bringing feelings between people out into the open, for she craves real closeness and intimacy in her relationships, without barriers or secrets. Not that I've ever noticed.

She is hard-working and tends to work till she collapses. Forceful and aggressive, Grace Kelly comes on strong and has a tendency to be abusive when frustrated. Kelly must learn to relax in order to avoid suffering total emotional or physical exhaustion. She is subject to changing moods and tends to alternate between associating with others and being completely alone, seeking to regenerate herself in solitude. Grace Kelly seems to be too critical of herself and tends to generate distance from others. I would characterize all of them as hard-working, but it's a steady kind of thing, where they start, do what they need to do at a very relaxed kind of pace, and keep going until it's done. They don't rush at all ime, so some people accuse them of laziness, which is completely not true of any of the ones I know. They have no problem whatsoever relaxing when they're not working though.

Grace Kelly is in harmony with herself and the world around her and is guided by her instincts. The parental type, she would like to solve everyone's problems. Very warm, sympathetic and cordial, Grace radiates harmony wherever she goes. None are very interested in solving anyone else's problems as far as I can see.

Grace Kelly possesses the gifts of tact, courtesy and consideration, and has a strong desire to please and understand her love partner. Because she values harmony so highly, Grace Kelly will compromise a great deal to avoid any discord or conflict in her relationships. Grace does not like to dwell on controversial or emotional subjects and often tries to "smooth things over" or "sweep them under the rug". No comment on this one. I've never been in a relationship with one. Ohhh, but the one that's been my friend forever did once tell me that he is like this.

In love relationships, Grace Kelly wants an intellectual peer, an equal and a friend. She is attracted to people who have a certain finesse, delicacy and subtlety. Grace Kelly appreciates good manners and refinement and is not happy with coarseness or bluntness in a person. No idea.

Grace Kelly often hides her affection, or finds her feelings difficult to express or get across to the person she loves. Being openly affectionate and trusting often does not seem safe to Grace. She may feel her love will not be appreciated or reciprocated. Grace Kelly may get involved in secret love relationships or fall in love with a person who is quite unavailable to her. Love and sacrifice often seem to go hand in hand for Grace Kelly - having to give something up to be with the one she loves, or having to relinquish some person or some aspect of an important love relationship. In love relationships and romance, it is important for Grace Kelly to be able to deeply respect her partner. Grace looks beyond the superficial qualities to see their inner worth (or lack thereof), before she lets herself really fall for someone. In fact, too much glamour or flashiness is something of a turn-off to her. Grace Kelly is capable of mature, lasting loving relationships and seeks a mate who is deep, loyal, and committed. She may be drawn to someone older than her Again, no idea.

btw, my comments are based on 3 SLIs that I know.

[Park]

Is this you trying to be supportive, or an actual statement in which you believe?

If it's only the former, then Cyrano is being insincere. But I personally doubt he would allow himself to do that.

[Suz]

If it's only the former, then Cyrano is being insincere. But I personally doubt he would allow himself to do that.

LOL i guess thePirate is the type to be insincere in his compliments and in the support he offers. Figures...

[squark]

LOL i guess thePirate is the type to be insincere in his compliments and in the support he offers. Figures...

Wow, way to be a bitch. He was quite polite in his response to you imo, and it was an honest question regarding Cyrano's post, which does NOT reflect on him or his own sincerity at all.

[Suz]

Wow, way to be a bitch. He was quite polite in his response to you imo, and it was an honest question regarding Cyrano's post, which does NOT reflect on him or his own sincerity at all.

wow, way to be like totally and utterly biased. If you call thePirate or gilly being "polite" in what either of them said, you really have no idea what the difference between politeness and rudeness really is.



BETAS GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR DELTA HAVEN IF YOU CAN"T BE NICE!

[squark]

wow, way to be like totally and utterly biased. If you call thePirate or gilly being "polite" in what either of them said, you really have no idea what the difference between politeness and rudeness really is.



BETAS GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR DELTA HAVEN IF YOU CAN"T BE NICE!

rofl, what the hell? Yeah, I do think it's polite to tell the truth, which is what thepirate was doing. I think being "nice" at the sake of sincerity is pretty fucked up, and it's something I personally don't want to be guilty of. I don't think he was rude. I think you just reacted to it in a defensive way.

[voiliov]

It is kind of pitiful watching Delta NFs lose their shit, they are not hardcore and can't manage Se. I don't mean this to be unkind BTW I'm just saying what I see.

[Suz]

It is kind of pitiful watching Delta NFs lose their shit, they are not hardcore and can't manage Se. I don't mean this to be unkind BTW I'm just saying what I see.

well tell them to stop being bullies then.