Pompey the Great, Roman warlord
Caligula, Emperor of Rome 14-37 (but I still think ENTp is also possible)
Caracalla, Emperor of Rome 211-217
Richard I Lionheart, King of England
Some possible examples of famous/celebrity SLEs-ESTps
Pompey the Great, Roman warlord
Caligula, Emperor of Rome 14-37 (but I still think ENTp is also possible)
Caracalla, Emperor of Rome 211-217
Richard I Lionheart, King of England
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Otto von Bismarck, first Chancellor of Germany's Second Reich (logical subtype)
Kaiser Wilhelm II, last German Emperor (unbalanced sensory subtype)
Lenin
Benito Mussolini
Helmut Kohl, German Chancellor 1982-98
Donald Trump
Winnie Mandela
Robert Mugabe, President of Zimbabwe
Hugo Chávez, President of Venezuela (or ISTj?)
Warren Beatty
Re: Some possible ESTps
Indeed, totally. Even his relationship with Julius Caesar is similar to the relationship I have experienced with ESTps - antagonism in public, but deep-seated admiration (from their side).Pompey the Great, Roman warlord
My guess, if not ESTp, would be ESFp. After all, ESFps with their lack of Ti can indeed have idiotic ideas.
Caligula, Emperor of Rome 14-37 (but I still think ENTp is also possible)
To every ESFp apologizer: I said CAN HAVE, not actually HAS.
He even looks like an ESTp I know. Spot on IMHO.Caracalla, Emperor of Rome 211-217
Another interesting thing: Let's compare Lenin and Warren Beatty. Here you have the two extremes of ESTps - the "conquerer" version, and the "conman" version. I personally get along well with those two extreme versions, not so well with everything in between.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I have noticed the same thing between ESTPs and ENTJs (benefactory-Ni-stuff).
Al Capone
Sean Connery (thanks to FDG for pointing it out)
William Shatner
I notice that all ESTPs have strong, handsome features especially the nose. Most likely dark hair, dark brows, determined lips, stubborn chin...
INFP
Re: Some possible ESTps
Caligula, Emperor of Rome 14-37 (but I still think ENTp is also possible)
Do you agree with me then Expat? Do you think he is ESTP?
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Wasn't what I wrote clear enough?
Spider-man is having me for dinner tonight
I wasn't thinking of including fictional characters, but since it got started in the INFp thread --
Here's an ESTp:
Zapp Brannigan
Ah! Conman subtype.
Yes, I have my personal subtypes.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Re: Spider-man is having me for dinner tonight
Need more of the "fairer" gender, too. And I say "fairer" because you havent met my best friend's beastly sister we all loathe and ignore (as opposed to love and adore...).I wasn't thinking of including fictional characters, but since it got started in the INFp thread --
Here's an ESTp:
Zapp Brannigan
Well, you put him in the ESTP list, so I was wondering What changed your mind? Plus if you put him in the list as an ESTP (Or ENTP) I guess you no longer think it possible that he might be ISTP? Again, what made you change your mind?
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
Re: Spider-man is having me for dinner tonight
100%I wasn't thinking of including fictional characters, but since it got started in the INFp thread --
Here's an ESTp:
Zapp Brannigan
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*sigh*
I have never said that Caligula could be ISTp. I have typed Commodus as ISTp. You are simply mistaken.
On Caligula, originally I thought that he was ESTp, then for a while I thought that ENTp was more likely, but some comments by Dmitri Lytov made me think that ESTp was probably it, although I still think that ENTp is possible.
NO ZAPP BRANIGAN!!!
YES SEAN CONNERY
YES WILLIAM SHATNER
NO MUSSOLINI OR WHATEVER
YES AL CAPONE
LOL
MIstaken identity, too little coffee, I don't know enough about Caligula*sigh*
I have never said that Caligula could be ISTp. I have typed Commodus as ISTp. You are simply mistaken.
On Caligula, originally I thought that he was ESTp, then for a while I thought that ENTp was more likely, but some comments by Dmitri Lytov made me think that ESTp was probably it, although I still think that ENTp is possible.
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
Peter Griffin (Family Guy DUUUHH) ???
Frank Sinatra
He looks much more like ENTj, doesn't he?Sean Connery (thanks to FDG for pointing it out)
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INFp - The Lyrist -subtype
There is something very very wrong with most of these suggestions.
Am I the only one to see it?
how about them NOT beiing the ESTPs? Socionically speaking that is.What would you consider wrong with them?
No I don't think so.
... maybe a lot of people don't know who he even is, and if they do, then maybe they find it hard to type cartoons...I am teh gawd of killing threads
I think Zim is too spastic to be ESTp, or maybe it's just that he's a spastic ESTp?
All Hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster
David Lee Roth, rock star.
Nope, ESFp.
Extreme Se subtype, so I can see how you might think he's ESTp. However, ESTps are generally much "graver" on the stage than him.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Agreed FDG--after I re-read the description of ESFP, it makes sense... And you're right, he's definitely an EXTREME Se subtype.
Stanley Kowalski
Is that one sort of about a gang?Stanley Kowalski
I think I remember this character, I saw the movie about a year ago though so I don't remember him that much...=/
No, it's from Tennessee William's A Streetcar Named Desire.
Helps the fact that he's also interpreted by a SLE actor (IMHO
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
You might be thinking of On the Waterfront - another awesome movie Brando was in.Is that one sort of about a gang?Stanley Kowalski
I think I remember this character, I saw the movie about a year ago though so I don't remember him that much...=/
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
i think of hugo chavez as esfj
Do you think any of these guys are ESTps?
Randy Quaid
Dave Thomas ("Bob Mackenzie")
to the right of Rick Moranis, INFp. Strange Brew seemed like beta humor.
Regis Philbin
Pat Sajak
(Vanna seems INTj like Sigourney Weaver)
What about:
Joyce DeWitt
Janet from Three's Company
Katherine Helmond (??????)
Ellen Barkin ??
Jennifer Lopez
ESTps???
I think you're right about Pat Sajak. The rest, I'm inclined to say no.
In order of importance,
Gwen Stefani
Madonna
Bobby Flay
Demosthenes
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