What are they, and are they warranted?
EII-INFj stereotypes discussion
What are they, and are they warranted?
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
positive:
nice/caring
humanitarian
morally "good"
negative:
moralizers
judgmental/quietly shaming
innocent/naive
prudish
conventional
i probably notice more negative than positive out of defensiveness or something.
i don't think any of them are warranted. i think that they may stem from something that has some truth (like EIIs might tend to be more concerned with humanitarianism or behave more conventionally based on things that stem from quadra values) but i think its a mistake to type based on these criteria or see that list of sterotypes as some kind of checklist for what EIIs should be like.
as for myself, i don't see most of those things as being applicable to me, but i can see how i might be perceived as having those qualities on the outside (especially irl).
I've seen the word 'martyr' on more than one occasion in reference to INFjs lol.
Then naturally with Se PoLR you have your share of "spineless fluffballs with no capabilities of fighting back." You've also got your hyper-religious overly-moralizing unhealthy E1 nutballs, what with the out-of-control Fi that exudes out of their every pores at all hours of the day.
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Isn't there a thread like this not too long ago?
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Is any stereotype warranted?Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis
I almost feel like saying - what do you really want to know/
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
The thing about stereotypes is that often there's an element of truth in them, or there's potential for them to be true, but the problem is that they're taken as certain fact. It is not warranted to take them as certain fact. It is fair to recognize those potentials.
Is there? My apologies.
I made the thread because while EII seems to generally fit, there are behaviors and motivations that do not fit what I've heard about the type.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
eh, me too. but there are behaviors and motivations of every type that don't fit me, none of them are perfect, and when it comes down to it EII just fits better all things considered. i know this isn't a type thread and i'm sorry if i'm diverting the subject too much, but nothing that i've seen from you has ever made me think, "oh, that's weird for an EII."
anyway - more stereotypes?
overly polite
neat freak
frigid
lol, fun
I always heard that EIIs like to bake brownies and cookies.
Seems to be true for me.
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Well, it must certainly be an anomaly that an EII would feel that way about me.
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
the obedient EII housewife baking brownies thing just has to stop. and you seem to believe/like/encourage it, no? if that's what LSEs actually prefer, and EIIs are happy to accomodate, than yes, i guess i am an anomoly.
Well, it must certainly be an anomaly that an EII would feel that way about me.
Expecting an EII to relegate themselves to cooking brownies and dusting is as silly as an ESE expecting the same from an LII.That's like drafting Tom Brady or someone and then telling him to play off the bench as a backup punter. Real smart. What is it about Ne ego that screams "This is my ideal floor scrubber"? Not to say they couldn't, but giving them these "interests" is ignoring where they might be helpful or creative.
Besides, Si brownies are tastier.
Dude my own girlfriend isn't even that way.
....Although she did bake me brownies for my birthday. I guess she knows what I like
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I don't have much to add that hasn't already been mentioned, but the stereotype I find most frustrating is the assumption that being EII means you ought to be overtly complaisant to the point of being spineless. Maybe it's some feminist feeling brewing in me but I can't stand the idea of being forced into the "delicate princess EII mold", I can't even imagine how irritating it must be for male EII's when they read some of these descriptions
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Heh, yeah. I suppose, then, that it's like laghlagh said: we need a better grip on whatI don't have much to add that hasn't already been mentioned, but the stereotype I find most frustrating is the assumption that being EII means you ought to be overtly complaisant to the point of being spineless. Maybe it's some feminist feeling brewing in me but I can't stand the idea of being forced into the "delicate princess EII mold", I can't even imagine how irritating it must be for male EII's when they read some of these descriptionspolr is.
I haven't forgotten your post, Minde. I'll have to reply to it on my computer.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
FWIW, count me as another possible EII who doesn't fit the stereotype either (very much at all). I identify with one poster above who said that some of the traits are worthy kind of aspirations, but I did not come out of my mother's womb looking like St. Francis. And for that matter, nor did St. Francis. Wasn't he like some womanizing soldier before he changed? My point being that even the most morally lauded people in history had to go through some crisis or life changing event to change their approach in life to one of high virtue. Socionics/MBTI sometimes seems to be the only school of thought in the world that doesn't understand the concept of individual effort or the nature of morality. Nobody can naturally be that good.
And while EIIs might not be aggressive, I have a hard time believing anyone is programmed to be even more worthy of pity than George McFly when it comes to having a voice in the world. Even he punched Biff and kissed a girl before asking her. But no, LII and EII can't do even this. Let alone more.
As for the "conventional" part, I definitely don't aspire to it. I'm not exactly pretentious either, but that's rather odd than anyone would say that. Aren't Ne types a bit "infantile"? I mean, I think the Ne approach would apply in subtle ways outside the romantic interactions too, where they'd be anything but conventional. How does a Ne type all of the sudden become the gold standard of Stepford housewife like caretaking?
That all said, I could be another type. You never know, right?
i love this post. fwiw, i self-type EII and i agree in full.FWIW, count me as another possible EII who doesn't fit the stereotype either (very much at all). I identify with one poster above who said that some of the traits are worthy kind of aspirations, but I did not come out of my mother's womb looking like St. Francis. And for that matter, nor did St. Francis. Wasn't he like some womanizing soldier before he changed? My point being that even the most morally lauded people in history had to go through some crisis or life changing event to change their approach in life to one of high virtue. Socionics/MBTI sometimes seems to be the only school of thought in the world that doesn't understand the concept of individual effort or the nature of morality. Nobody can naturally be that good.
And while EIIs might not be aggressive, I have a hard time believing anyone is programmed to be even more worthy of pity than George McFly when it comes to having a voice in the world. Even he punched Biff and kissed a girl before asking her. But no, LII and EII can't do even this. Let alone more.
As for the "conventional" part, I definitely don't aspire to it. I'm not exactly pretentious either, but that's rather odd than anyone would say that. Aren't Ne types a bit "infantile"? I mean, I think the Ne approach would apply in subtle ways outside the romantic interactions too, where they'd be anything but conventional. How does a Ne type all of the sudden become the gold standard of Stepford housewife like caretaking?
That all said, I could be another type. You never know, right?
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