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Last edited by Slacker; 11-02-2011 at 06:19 PM.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
That's settled then, must be a case of long-lost twins or something.
I kind of agree with you in general, but I don't necessarily think this particular issue is just Te-related. Based on comparing Beta STs and Gamma NTs, the former still seem more practical skill oriented, living closer to your husband's way as you describe it, Ti or no Ti, evolving their career in a kind of one-thing-led-to-another way. While the latter's more abstract approach - regardless of somehow extreme stereotypes - is undeniable in comparison, with more focus on placing themselves in an advantageous position than on immediate skills which pay off today, even to the neglect of those ("it's going to be replaced in two or five or at most ten years; why should I learn this tech? better avoid being dependent on it, so when others are confronted with it's being outdated I'll be prepared"). I'd call it going after more "generic" skills, if it makes sense, though there are many pitfalls to this approach, some of them more obvious than others.
If people don't see economic abilities as a potential indicator of strong Te, that's another issue, though people strong in Ti are also strong in Te so Beta STs would also have strong Te. It's unvalued Te but they're still naturally strong at it.
A lot of beta ST's and gamma SF's make a lot of money and still go broke.
I think that strong and valued Se can sometimes lead to a desire to appear to be powerful to others, and if someone has that desire that person sometimes spends money unwisely to keep up that appearance, which can cause financial trouble.
And actually that is part of my brother's problem.
Lol yeah, that's terrible. I have an ESI male friend that works a lot and throws away money to buy himself a new "better looking" racing bike or a new "better looking and cooler" set of racing shoes every 6 months. Everytime he does that I spend a good 15 minutes scolding him trying to show him how he would be able to work a lot less if he didn't throw away so much money, but hey...
with females though this kind of thing seems to be much less pronunciated. Most ESI girls/women I know are pretty good with money (on the border between "good" and "stingy").
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Te will show up differently in different people, but I disagree that money is never about Te. I would also disagree that all people strong in Te are good with money.
Most non-alpha NTs are always struggling with debt.
Money is not everything. Your brother probably feels happy to have achieved such an important academic level: a prostitute can earn lot of money by doing an humiliating job, for instance.In fact, even getting his MBA is an example. There aren't new jobs being created in Michigan that require MBAs, or any new jobs for that matter, and he just sunk a boatload of money into getting an MBA that will not get him a higher salary. Compare this to my husband, who dropped out of college and now makes a healthy salary and we have no debt and are financially comfortable. Or a much bigger example is Bill Gates who dropped out of college and is obscenely rich. If you're going to use economics as a barometer for strength in Te, that is what to look for: how do you actually work with economics in your life, not what are you studying, even if you're doing well in your studies. Not to say people strong in Te will always drop out of college, just that college is not the place to look. The same is true for any particular IE.
Delta values WTF
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
I know I shouldn't be laughing. But god.
Oh dear.
I have never had an interested in business or in studying economics, but I am fairly decent at managing finances. My biggest problem is time-management. And relationships.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I think "working towards a productive end" is a rather misleading way to put it. Like, you can meet with people to play a game, or do something else, or get to know better, really talk and not just chit-chat, maybe catch up with someone - those all count. By socialization for socialization's sake (or interaction, whatever) I mean when there's no meaningful interaction, just not-being-alone-at-the-moment, which for me translates to lonely-in-the-crowd-feeling, lack of personal connection. Also if there's nothing going on that holds my attention, including interesting conversation, it becomes an effort to stay in here-and-now, I space out and totally withdraw, ending up in uncomfortable situations and putting off some people because they say I'm ignoring them or whatever. In a larger group than a few close friends, I'll support or suggest ideas of actually doing something (again not work, where do you people get these ideas from?) because otherwise I drift away from it, don't have the energy to keep up, kind of default to being an outsider... and I'll rather go away than stay if it continues. I don't have the patience for suffering through it when I'd rather be somewhere else.
^I think that's an introvert thing, moreso than a Gamma thing.
I can try and politely tolerate situations where I'm alone in the crowd, but that's about it.
Yeah, well, I didn't mean all such feeling - which seems a human thing and in 3... 2... 1... there are going to be extraverts protesting they also experience this - as much as that I always get it if there isn't something else to keep me there, or in other words, that I don't get how can one be connected with the group, sort of "in tune" with it or its atmosphere or whatever, without enormous effort which doesn't pay off - things which I've seen described as related to Fe since day one, so maybe it's become part of my personal bias, and which have originally affected my self-typing.
To return to the topic of patience and hanging out, it's something which I find both frustrating and don't have the patience for, not that I generally have any patience to speak of, being rather a "get to the point already" sort of person.