Omg you read my mind.Originally Posted by k0rps3y
Omg you read my mind.
I see no problem with that. Introversion and extroversion are treated in a somewhat different manner in MBTI than they are in Socionics anyway.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
You still are not following my point.. I wonder if this is Te vs Ti related...
1.) MBTI interpretors treat introverts's inferiors the same as extravert's inferiors
2.) Therefore the differences between the 5th function/DS and 4th function/PoLR are ignored
3.) Theories created referring to the inferior function of MBTI types do not recognize that extraverts thrive off their inferior(DS) whereas introverts suffer from it(PoLR)
4.)Therefore theories are not accurate due to meshing of functions.
My point is that you can use MBTI types, but not MBTI function ordering, because if you agree with Socionics then you have to agree that MBTI has it wrong. This is the reason why there is still so much confusion today because of how MBTI determines types and how Socionics determines types.
If you agree that INFP is FiNeSiTe then you agree DS = PoLR.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that the types are the same and the elements are the same, therefore that the difference in projected functions is due to something being wrong with one of the systems. The problem with your conclusion, however, is that its initial assumptions are wrong. The MBTI functions are described in a different manner from Socionics elements, and as MBTI types are constructed from MBTI functions (as opposed to Socionics elements), then there's no reason it would be necessary to establish a connection. Essentially what I'm saying is that you're wrong because INTP =/= ILI, and ESFJ =/= ESE.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
I understand that the "blocks" used to build the types are different, but to claim that there is no correlation at all is unreasonable.
There is some, but it's like the correlation between Socionics and Enneagram: Not direct. Despite being based on the same guy's ideas, the two systems are built on different foundations, and thus you can't reasonably expect them to be tied at the hip.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
*sigh* This invalidates all of my reasoning...
I still think that there is a bridge and the problem is perspective, but yes the only way my arguments hold up is if you claim the systems equal each other. Which is not true.
But what, then, do you say about your test results when it gives you an explanation that contradicts your understanding which encompasses the test's conceptions? That you gave false answers? That the questions were ambiguous? That the test is inaccurate? Or that the theory is flawed? Maybe you can say "this is accurate within the confines of the theory", but then that is circular logic and doesn't really have any bearing externally. To put it another way: either MBTI and Socionics correlate or they do not correlate and one is inaccurate or both are inaccurate.
excellent use
*************************************** (39.7)
excellent use
************************************ (36.4)
excellent use
*********************************** (35.3)
good use
average use
***************************** (29.1)
average use
limited use
********* (9)
unused
I like the function descriptions in this test, and I like Jung's descriptions as well, because they're detailed and make a point. If you try to read shorter summaries of Jung's types it doesn't work, the meaning of the type loses its context. But if you read the questions in this test and match them up, it makes a pretty fine point as to what the function is about. They're definitely connected. Just that, the interpretation of each person in answering these questions is subjective, and so not always right. You have to take this kind of test multiple times throughout a period.
Technically the descriptions for this test (and the ones I definitely like more for Socionics than the ones Aleksei posted) are at the result, as follows:
L-O-L
Here's my results:
Cognitive ProcessLevel of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************** (22.2)
limited useintroverted Sensing (Si) ********************************** (34.2)
good useextraverted Intuiting (Ne) *********************************** (35.5)
good useintroverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************** (22.9)
limited useextraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30.9)
good useintroverted Thinking (Ti) ********************** (22.1)
limited useextraverted Feeling (Fe) ********************* (21.2)
limited useintroverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************************** (50.6)
excellent useSummary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP
Now i'm not one for tests, but there has to be something wrong here if I've never once scored ISTJ on anything and I've always scored INFP on EVERY one. There just has to be something to it. Either that or these tests are complete garbage.
Why do you type as LSI?Now i'm not one for tests, but there has to be something wrong here if I've never once scored ISTJ on anything and I've always scored INFP on EVERY one. There just has to be something to it. Either that or these tests are complete garbage.
Why does anyone type themselves as their type? Haha, it's not easily explainable, it just fits. But I am curious as to why this happens because whether they're accurate or not, the majority of people who take these tests get results that at least somewhat point to their current type. My results never do.
Totally.
For myself, I usually score the same or close to my type.
Functions, descriptions, and inter-type relations support it.
I don't know how much of that applies to you, apart from the test thingwhich I don't understand myself for you.
YOUR COGNITIVE PROFILE
Your Cognitive Development Profile
The forty-eight questions you rated earlier tap into the eight cognitive processes. Some
Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************** (20.2)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************************** (26.7)
average use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *************************************** (39.9)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *************************************** (39.4)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30.4)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ******************** (20.3)
limited use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************* (19.7)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************************* (43.8)
excellent use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP
Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.
Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.
If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENFP, or INTJ
The Four Temperaments
Corresponding best-fit temperaments based on your profile: Catalyst; secondly Theorist; then Improviser; and lastly, Stabilizer.
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
ILIs seem to get good results at introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************.
Last edited by Trevor; 12-24-2010 at 01:33 AM.
I sorta think a number of ILIs are good at
I have edited my previous post.
So not saying every LIE for ex. is going to be good at
The MBTI function descriptions I've read for Si, Se, Fi, and Fe don't seem to match up too well with Socionics. Ni, Ne, Ti, and Te match up better.
The first time I did the cognitive functions test I came out INFP, but I knew even back then that that wasn't my type. This time around most of my scores were basically the same, but Ni was a lot lower than the first time, and Ne was a lot higher.
Perhaps I have let my labeled type sway my answers too much. Tests like this are probably more likely to be accurate for those who don't already know a whole lot about the functions or who don't have an expected type already in mind when they start.
My life's work (haha):
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/blog.php?b=709
Input, PLEASEAnd thank you
Your mom.
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************************** (32.4)
good use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************************** (26.4)
average use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************* (19.1)
limited use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************************* (37.5)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) *************************************** (39.7)
excellent use
introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************** (27.2)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ***************************** (29.2)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) **************************** (28.3)
average use
Cognitive function test
Tests function order, prefs etc...
http://www.keys2cognition.com/explore.htm
post your results...heres mine...
extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************ (24.7)
average useintroverted Sensing (Si) *********** (11.1)
unusedextraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************************ (48.9)
excellent useintroverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************************ (36.6)
excellent useextraverted Thinking (Te) ********************* (21.2)
limited useintroverted Thinking (Ti) ************************** (26.8)
average useextraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************ (24.5)
average useintroverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************************* (45.8)
excellent use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP
Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.
Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.
Interestingly i have been getting INFP (mbti) a lot... i wonder if that could play into an Fi subtype of ENFP
Last edited by SyrupDeGem; 09-05-2013 at 09:44 AM.
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
InvisibruJim
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************************* (31)
good useintroverted Sensing (Si) *********************** (23.2)
limited useextraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************** (32.6)
good useintroverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************************** (38.3)
excellent useextraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************* (31.2)
good useintroverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29.9)
average useextraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************** (20.3)
limited useintroverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************* (33.7)
good use
INTJ
Other results: ENTJ, INFP
Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ****************** (18.3)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) *************** (15.2)
unused
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *********************************** (35.6)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************************************* (45.5)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************************** (34.5)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************************** (39.4)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********** (10.2)
unused
introverted Feeling (Fi) **************************************** (40.5)
excellent use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTJ
Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Intuiting (Ni): Transforming with a meta-perspective. Withdrawing from the world and focusing your mind to receive an insight or realization. Checking if synergy results. Trying out a realization to transform things.
Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.
If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENTJ, or INFP
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Ta-da!
These tests are always dependent on your mood at the time of taking the test. Anyway, this pretty much confirms Ni-LIE for me.
Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use) extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************************** (32.3)
good useintroverted Sensing (Si) ************************** (26.3)
average useextraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************ (24.6)
average useintroverted Intuiting (Ni) **************************************** (40.6)
excellent useextraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************************** (44.7)
excellent useintroverted Thinking (Ti) ****************** (18.5)
limited useextraverted Feeling (Fe) ****************** (18.2)
limited useintroverted Feeling (Fi) ********************************** (34.4)
good use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENTJ
Lead (Dominant) Process
Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.
Support (Auxilliary) Process
Introverted Intuiting (Ni): Transforming with a meta-perspective. Withdrawing from the world and focusing your mind to receive an insight or realization. Checking if synergy results. Trying out a realization to transform things.
If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: INTJ, or ESTJ
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some
You are a moody person, Mister. I'm going to pray for you so you can reach Valhalla, I mean Gamma Quadra asap and battle the insurgents there. Park already has been dispatched for assistance.
Going to 'break' that test tomorrow, though.
Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ****************************** (30.5)
good use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************************************* (37.6)
excellent use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ****************************** (30.7)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ***************************** (29.5)
average use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************** (20.4)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ************** (14.3)
unused
extraverted Feeling (Fe) **************************** (28.7)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *********************************************** (47.9)
excellent use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP
You'll have to deduct 10 points from Te for not just copy pasting the result table that embeds perfectly on the forum.Just be in a neutral mood and answer honestly. It's simple; in fact making the table was the biggest PITA of the entire process.
Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******* (7)
unused
introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************* (33.4)
good use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************** (32.5)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************** (35.6)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************* (25.4)
average use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************** (34.2)
good use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************************************* (43.6)
excellent use
introverted Feeling (Fi) **************************** (28.3)
average use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFJ
Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Intuiting (Ni): Transforming with a meta-perspective. Withdrawing from the world and focusing your mind to receive an insight or realization. Checking if synergy results. Trying out a realization to transform things.
Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Feeling (Fe): Building trust through giving relationships. Empathically responding to others' needs and take on their needs and values as your own. Checking for respect and trust. Giving and receiving support to grow closer to people.
How backwards is this (?) Fe is not empathy, Fi is.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
LOL Se "unused" hahahaha
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
extraverted Sensing (Se) ****************************** (30.5)
good use
introverted Sensing (Si) *********************** (24)
limited use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *************************************** (39.6)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ******************** (20.2)
limited use
extraverted Thinking (Te) *************************** (27.3)
average use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29.4)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************** (20.9)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *********************************************** (47.7)
excellent use
Hooray I'm winning the Fi game
Se > Te > Si > Fi > Fe > Ni > Ti > Ne
Se ***************************************** 41.4 excellent use
Te ************************************* 37.3 excellent use
Si ********************************** 34.2 good use
Fi ********************************* 33.5 good use
Fe **************************** 28.2 average use
Ni ************************ 24.3 average use
Ti ********************** 22.1 limited use
Ne ******************* 19.2 limited use
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ESFP
Lead (Dominant) Process - Extraverted Sensing (Se): Immersing in the present context. Responding naturally to everything tangible you detect through your senses. Checking with what your gut instincts say. Testing limits and take risks for big rewards.
Support (Auxilliary) Process - Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.
If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ISFP, or ESTJ
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extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************** (22.1)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) **************************** (28.1)
average use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************************** (44.4)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************** (35.2)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30.1)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29.4)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************* (25.2)
average use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************** (26.1)
average use
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENTP
Lead (Dominant) Process
Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.
Support (Auxilliary) Process
Introverted Thinking (Ti): Gaining leverage (influence) using a framework. Detaching to study a situation from different angles and fit it to a theory, framework or principle. Checking for accuracy. Using leverage to solve the problem.
If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: INTP, or ENFP
LUL! MisterNi deleted both posts coming my way.
Just keeping this thread clean and not full of junk posts like a certain someone keeps doing.
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some
I'm sure talking about yourself in third person is a strong suit of yours. Don't let me hinder you from self-destructing, that is, keeping it clean.Just keeping this thread clean and not full of junk posts like a certain someone keeps doing.
(Mine coming soon - hope you're excited, for I can't feel shit, hahaha).
What're you waiting for? A parade in your honor?
IEE Ne Creative Type
Some
Yes.What're you waiting for? A parade in your honor?
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