I've met pushy aggressive ENFps and subdued agreeable ones. The pushy aggressive ones could well be ESFp, if one is associating pushyness with Se, whereas maybe it is just simply a character trait or a defense mechanism. You could even go further to say that the ESFp is ESTp due to appearing 'heartless' at times.
The only reason I think they are ENFp is because they 'VI' as one - another subjective term
, and keeping in mind the personality they present to the world.
But you're right that you are exposing a contradiction to an extent in what i'm saying, which is just another paradox of applying the system imo.
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I think that one of the things this typology can say which is perhaps useful, is the basic things, like for instance, it's OK to be a quiet person (stereotypical introversion) that sort of stuff.
At the same time, I do find myself trying to have a use for it. I agree that it can help to formulate the mind as 'archetypes' of people like for instance in a work environment. However I find that i'm better overall just not particularly classifying anyone, or at least when i'm away from this for a while that my attitude to things is more natural and free flowing. Hmmm maybe i'll have to think about this some more.
To everyone who's responded so far, thank you for answering, i've enjoyed reading your thoughts on it. I haven't responded to them all, because, I can basically see where everyone is coming from and find myself agreeing!, so not sure what to say with a silent nod over the internet
I thought i'd respond to the post I did as sort of was related to something on my mind, that is, in a way, how personality and functions seem to be different things in many cases which to me makes socionics an even vaguer tool, ie a pushy person may not be an Se type but it's easy to class them as such, a fun friendly person may still be Fe PoLR but is just trying to adapt coping mechanisms in life. It also crosses my mind that some people are maybe OK with the vagueness.
Personally i'm more inclined to want... "does it work or not", and of course, "sometimes it works" can be applied to anything, but I think perhaps the final way to answer it is, "how to
apply it to make it work in each situation", which is probably why we are all still here!, or at least one of the reasons.