This shouldn't really go here, because it's not a question

[Gilly]

I'm either ILE or SLE.

tada

[Gilly]

I knew you'd be on this like white on rice.

...Did I say that out loud?

I even told strrrng in a text like 5 minutes ago that you would be gainsaying this like hell.

Very well, find an EIE who reminds you of me and I may be swayed.

But not really.

[crazedrat]

What made you change your mind?

[MatthewZ]

I'll make a note of this occasion for later.

[crazedrat]

You seem very dominant and harsh for an ILE. From what I've seen they're usually more flippant and dainty.

[Gilly]

lol fine. be what you want.

That's all the fight there is in you? Pfffsh.

[Gilly]

You seem very dominant and harsh for an ILE. From what I've seen they're usually more flippant and dainty.

This is true. But I'm also a 3w4 sx/so, with heavy emphasis on 8w7 as a secondary type. Maybe that isn't compatible with ILE; maybe I'm just a really fucking weird ILE. Beta values make vastly more sense, and the people I am most drawn to are IEIs, notably IEI-Fe females.

[redbaron]

maybe I'm just really fucking weird

fixed.

[crazedrat]

I guess I could see you as ILE if I explain the rest of you with 'he's just really fucked up'. Still, the beta values seem really strong in you. I think I'll just consider you a mix.

[redbaron]

I guess I could see you as ILE if I explain the rest of you with 'he's just really fucked up'. Still, the beta values seem really strong in you.

he's waiting to see what I'm gonna be so he can be my dual.

[Gilly]

fixed.

Bitch, you think you gotta tell ME?

[Gilly]

I guess I could see you as ILE if I explain the rest of you with 'he's just really fucked up'. Still, the beta values seem really strong in you. I think I'll just consider you a mix.

Yeah I'm actually leaning SLE currently. But it's all up in the air so PLAY YOUR CARDS NOW WHILE THE 3 IS UNSURE...he might just wind up on your side.

[crazedrat]

You do sort of remind me of merky in some ways. Merky has the same aggressive humor you do.

[ArchonAlarion]

My 3w2 ESTp friend has the same issue with his type. Basically, it comes down to enneagram. Being great at manipulating people and emotionally guilting them (Or even inspiring and motivating them) is not the same as being Fe leading. The effectiveness of socionics type is always relative to the type of your audience.

(btw I still think you're ENTp)

[crazedrat]

Hmm... I think ESTp-Se now. But there is a hostility and distance in you that clouds my ability to see your real personality. Maybe a fucked up ESTp-Se. I'm sort of curious how you interact with INFjs

[Gilly]

My dad is EII-Fi. He is threatened by me in almost every way: physically, mentally, philosophically. I make him feel weak and like he should have been harder on me to keep me in line. His only response to me is judgmentalism and passive aggression, which get under my skin like no tomorrow. My interactions with my LSE-Si mother are like chess matches that basically boil down to her trying to control me, and me refusing to be controlled. For the first 16 years of my life I was molded into a preacher's son's puppet without realizing that I was repressing my own emotions and personality to appear appropriate; it came out in stints of isolation and depression, punctuated by target-less rebellious outrage at my parents that welled up when ordered to do things like do the dishes or fold laundry, and invariably ended in me posturing physically at my father and screaming at my mother.

[Beautiful sky]

I say no to ILE

Possibly yes to SLE or SLI

You don't have the rigid expressive nature of J types and how they uphold their values.
You have certain personal values that you live by, which indicates a break from traditional values, which I am interpreting to be Fi and not Fe.

You easily create and atmosphere where people can establish bonds but you don't take initiative in establishing bonds with people.

You also don't make people understand you, you want to be understood, you present your information/logic/argument in such a way as to tell people how you feel or what your views are without really pushing or making people feel as you do (pretty much that you want people to understand your feelings) by herassing or pursuing them in an agressive manner.

[Gilly]

I am SLE. Thread over.

[silverchris9]

*sigh*. But EIE makes so much sense... and you definitely don't seem like an SLE to me. But you also don't seem like not-a-beta. long sigh. I thought this was fairly settled. You just want to be SLE because you have realized (as everyone should) that IEIs are the best type (with SLEs as a close second), and you want the best type for you dual. Perfectly logical. However, not logical enough to make you not an ethical type.

Seriously though, from the forum, you seem to be all about changing people's internal dynamics, emotional impact, etc. And in more of an effective, I know what I'm doing, this is my leading function way than a I really want to do this but I'm a little clumsy about it oh, but look I ended up succeeding yes, victory is mine hidden agenda way.

EDIT: Are you just switching to SLE 'cause you're in love with some IEI girl? Because far be it from me to tell people not to change their type for love.

[Gilly]

No. I have always been attracted to Fe-IEI girls though. This is not hasty or uncalculated; I have discussed it thoroughly with my advisor, and my mind is settled, and never again will it change. Everything actually makes sense, and you can all go to hell if you disagree.

GAME OVER

AHAAHAAAHAHAHAA
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[strrrng]

But it's all up in the air so PLAY YOUR CARDS NOW WHILE THE 3 IS UNSURE...he might just wind up on your side.

lol

[Crispy]

Not another one; don't beat me up!

[Gilly]

but then you'd be like, the most SLE ever.

No, Gilly, just no.

BUT YOU LOVE ME, and you know it. You didn't want me to leave Beta, and I didn't.

I'm only so damn Fe because it was the only valued function I could use to survive as a kid; Se got guilted out of me and repressed by my dad, Ti only went so far.

[Rubicon]

Makes sense to me. Most EIEs I know actually have a smooth charm about them. haha Like Numbers. But your Fe is ridiculously spiky. Also, you erm intimidate me a bit. :-p EIEs don't in the slightest.

[Beautiful sky]

Gilly + Starfall =

[Gilly]

Gilly + Starfall =

SERIOUSLY

She just couldn't stand to lose me. So, I stayed

Our kids would be the fucking hottest ever.

[redbaron]

Our kids would be the fucking hottest ever.

truth.

[Beautiful sky]

truth.

I second that. or third. or forth.

[redbaron]

Makes sense to me. Most EIEs I know actually have a smooth charm about them. haha Like Numbers. But your Fe is ridiculously spiky. Also, you erm intimidate me a bit. :-p EIEs don't in the slightest.

good point.

[Gilly]

aww, you stayed because of me.

Always and forever.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Finally.

It just goes to show that the idiots Rick, Expat, Niffweed are shit at socionics. I'm one of the few people on this forum who can actually type.

Also, Ezra is NOT an SLE.

[redbaron]

Strrrng, what's your verdict?

Strrrng is probably the "advisor". lol

[MatthewZ]

No. I have always been attracted to Fe-IEI girls though. This is not hasty or uncalculated; I have discussed it thoroughly with my advisor, and my mind is settled, and never again will it change. Everything actually makes sense, and you can all go to hell if you disagree.

GAME OVER

AHAAHAAAHAHAHAA
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HA

I think this is Gilly's subconscious telling us that he's trying to use his -HA.

[strrrng]

Strrrng, what's your verdict?

I can't commit to SLE, mainly because Gilly being an Se-ego (or any sensory type, for that matter) is difficult to rectify in light of his behavioral patterns, and also because the idea of him being my dual requires a decent amount of reformatting.

but I do think Ti-EP makes more sense than any EJ, based mainly on the ways in which we interact and how he comes across. his behavior in real life is nowhere near as pronouncedly dramatic or imposing as it has been online, and I find his adaptability and emotional receptivity too complementary to think that an EP type doesn't work best.

either way, I'm still mulling a fair amount of this over, as there are discrepancies between ILE and EIE that aren't fully accounted for. the tenor is: quadra values suggest beta, but personal expression and interaction style points to Ti-EP.


and lol redbaron, yes, I think "advisor" makes a lot more sense. ultimately, I don't think starting yet another debate on this will be purposeful, as it is Gilly who needs to filter things and choose whether or not to present a justification for the given conclusion.

[JWC3]

I say that unless your conviction is strong enough to get it tattooed on your dick, then what you "think" isn't worth a damn.

[MatthewZ]

I say that unless your conviction is strong enough to get it tattooed on your dick, then what you "think" isn't worth a damn.

So women can't have firm convictions?

[JWC3]

So women can't have firm convictions?

No, women can have dick implants. They actually have more freedom to believe what they choose simply because you can only believe in enough things to fill your dick and women get to pick the size. And the location... But that's not important.

[Mediator Kam]

I must say, there is no way in hell I could see you as my dual. I would say the same thing about Pinocchio too I suppose.

//Goes EII

[The Exception]

You seem very dominant and harsh for an ILE. From what I've seen they're usually more flippant and dainty.

Is dainty associated with ILE? Haven't seen that before. Flippant, yes.

I must say, there is no way in hell I could see you as my dual. I would say the same thing about Pinocchio too I suppose.

//Goes EII

You can keep your SEI self-typing. Gilly is EIE. Pinocchio, I don't know. I haven't ruled out ILE entirely yet but I'm leaning more towards beta ST now.

[silverchris9]

Didn't you decide DJ was LSI because you determined he was your dual who gave you guidance in logic as you were growing in logical understanding? Does that mean we have to retype him too?

Well... I mean... I don't like it, but I suppose I can entertain it in the realm of possibility. And it's not like I know you in real life...

Someone needs to make a theory of whether or not it is possible or to what extent it is possible to repress one's ego functions/"act out of" a function block besides one's ego block, the effect of different-quadra parents (or just a different-quadra social environment.) I still think my parents are delta and alpha, but I don't feel like I had to suppress Ni, I just found betas and gammas to express it with. lol. But I get it sort of maybe a little bit?

Also, I would have bought strrrrng-as-LSI much faster than gilly-as-SLE but either way you're duals. Guess this really just means you like strrrrng better than discojoe. Which I think is cause for a fight, personally.