Freedom and other words

[Creepy-z987654321]

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[The Exception]

Different types use the same words to express different values.

How would your quadra/other quadras define words like :
- Freedom
- Creativity
- Judgemental
- Successful

For alpha:

FREEDOM: Being able to decide on your own terms what to do and how you'll live your life rather than having someone else dictate those terms for you.

CREATIVITY: Being able to synthesize disparate elements to create something new. Thinking outside the box. I think alphas emphasize the originality aspect of creativity moreso than other quadras.

JUDGEMENTAL: Someone who is quick to come to conclusions on things even with insufficient evidence. Someone who is holds firmly to their opinion and is unwilling to appreciate or accept other points of view.

SUCCESSFUL: This one is the hardest of the four to describe. I see it primarily as living a life that gives you personal fullfillment. Also, having made a positive impact on others and society. Its more than just having alot of money and prestige, which I think is more in line with beta/gamma, although it can certainly include that. After all if you make more money, its easier to be able to do the things sometimes that would bring you fullfillment.

[Wynch]

I think Warrior-Librarian's descriptions of Freedom and Creativity are Great. For Judgemental and Successful I'm going to make a few changes

JUDGEMENTAL: Someone who is quick to come to conclusions on things even with insufficient evidence or justification. Someone who is holds firmly to their opinion and is unwilling to appreciate or accept other points of view.

(I think more than just evidence, there needs to be sound reasoning. People can have evidence against someone based on unfounded principles, which I consider to be judgemental.)

SUCCESSFUL: I see it primarily as living a life that gives you personal fullfillment.

(I really think that alone is the fundemental definition of success for Alphas. In my opinion, Alpha definitions of Judgement and Success are based on an underlying emphasis on Freedom and Creativity. We want people to be free to live their lives and emphasize the individual. As a by-product judgement is based on limiting the restriction of the individual and success is about recognizing the individual and their personal fulfillment.

[Creepy-male]

I like your definitions, WL.

I'd say

FREEDOM: Deciding which commitments to take on board, and having flexibility to negotiate the terms based on changing needs of the various parties.

CREATIVITY: Developing !!NEW AND EXCITING!! ways of looking at, thinking about, or doing things. Newness and change in thought. Kicking the status quo to the curb and doing the impossible!

JUDGEMENTAL: I like WL's definition here.

SUCCESSFUL: Being content, and then some: being happy, all within a comfortable existence. If you cut the hassle out of your life, you're a lot more successful at life than business suits with 7-figure incomes.

[Rubicon]

Not sure I'm speaking for my quadra, but I'd say..

Freedom

- WL's definition

Creativity

- being able to create as many options out of a limited number of resources as possible

Judgmental

- not allowing for the existence of various contexts/intents etc

Successful

- a person succeeding in what they want to do

[MatthewZ]

My "personal" definitions, rather than Alpha:

Freedom: The ability to choose

Creativity: The ability to see possible choices

Judgmental: Of assigning different levels of value to the choices of oneself and/or others

Successful: Of having completed one's goal or goals

[silverchris9]

Freedom: the capacity to do as one chooses. This is a somewhat beta-influenced description insofar as it does relate to power/capacity/etc. However, I think the capacity to do as one chooses is more than "I'm strong and I can push you around if I want," because that's stupid. The capacity to do as one chooses is the capacity to do difficult things: if I lift weights, I gradually develop the freedom to lift really heavy weights, whereas I was not free to do so before I started lifting weights. But that's sort of an idiosyncratic personal definition.

Creativity: the capacity to surprise. Again, focus on power/capacity. But this is basically stolen directly from Emerson, or Harold Bloom on Emerson.

Judgmental: Tending to judge prematurely, inaccurately, and overzealously, especially in a moral sphere. Excessive focus on one undesirable element of behavior or personality.

Successful: Having achieved personal aims of reasonable difficulty (that is, if your aims are to sit on your couch and sponge off your parents, well, that's not really reasonably difficult, unless your mom is like, Medea.)

[squark]

Different types use the same words to express different values.

How would your quadra/other quadras define words like :
- Freedom
- Creativity
- Judgemental
- Successful

Not speaking for the entire quadra, but I'd define them as:

freedom: Unrestricted in ability to act according to your desires. Basically, if you want to do something, you're able to attempt it without crippling external restrictions hindering you.

creativity: mental flexibility. Ability to draw on existing resources to create what one needs or desires.

judgemental: ranking a person's worth based on choices they make that are contrary to or overstep your standards or boundaries. It's impossible not to be judgemental in some way. Everyone has limits on what they find permissible or desireable. Judgement isn't always a negative.

successful: achieving what you set out to achieve.

[Beautiful sky]

Freedom: without being subject to any undue restraints or restrictions and knowing that you won't be hung, imprisoned, for your choices
Creativity: thinking outside the box
Judgmental: criticism without perspective
Successful: when you can live with yourself and not be stressed out about finances or physical things in life

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Beautiful sky]

Pinocchio, if you had you would have found and even greater obvious pattern.

For example,

Vero, Rubicon, Warrior's are virtually the same.

[Rubicon]

Vero, Rubicon, Warrior's are virtually the same.

No, I don't think so.. because I don't agree that personal fulfillment is relevant in terms of success. I mean you could succeed in what you were aiming to do, and simultaneously be hit with an overwhelming feeling of "omg I feel so empty, life is meaningless" which drives you to suicide .. but I'd still classify that as success. :-p

[The Exception]

VS.




Interesting. Apparently, the people I type as Fi or Fi-valuers define success in connection to their persona, to the self, or self-sufficiency. Fe/Fe-valuers to what they want, what they like or makes them happy, without being an inside matter. Makes sense, I'd say.

So you now type me as an Fi-valuer now after just telling me you thought I was LSI (an Fe valuer)? Your inconsistency is funny.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Brilliand]

Interesting. Apparently, the people I type as Fi or Fi-valuers define success in connection to their persona, to the self, or self-sufficiency. Fe/Fe-valuers to what they want, what they like or makes them happy, without being an inside matter. Makes sense, I'd say.

I would not exclude some Betas an Deltas to be the other way around, though, namely Beta NFs and Delta STs, just based on my observations, not the theory.

Silverchris clearly is in the "accomplish something" group, though he gave another restriction: that it be "reasonably difficult." "Personal fulfillment" and "contentment" could also be synonyms. Dynamicism's could be -valuing and Maritsa's -valuing, though I'm not too sure about those.

I find Gulanzon's answer most pleasing, though I agree more with Rubicon/Matthew/Squark: Success is succeeding at whatever you're trying to do (without silverchris's requirement that your goal be good enough).

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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