Nicki Minaj

[glam]

some people in the thread are arguing that Minaj is a SEI who's trying to act otherwise. where is the actual evidence that there is a SEI underneath the persona/s?

you have to remember that "Nicki Minaj" herself is a persona too, so the exaggerated, in-your-face behaviors shouldn't be surprising. i don't understand how Galen could come to the conclusion that she "doesn't take herself seriously". it's actually pretty clear if you read what Nicki Minaj says about herself that she is self-aware enough to take her personas seriously, in the sense that she accepts them as a part of her reality.

the creation and use of personas while accepting them as a fact of life fits perfectly with EIE ("The Actor" type). a SEI typing doesn't explain any of it.

[Gilly]

I don't know her type, but I will say she doesn't exhibit the same level of physical control as I would expect from a sensor. Her over-the-top-ness does seem more of the Alpha variety rather than Beta, more kooky than calculated for impact, but that's not really a black-and-white deciding factor.

She is obviously Fe ego.

[Galen]

you have to remember that "Nicki Minaj" herself is a persona too, so the exaggerated, in-your-face behaviors shouldn't be surprising. i don't understand how Galen could come to the conclusion that she "doesn't take herself seriously". it's actually pretty clear if you read what Nicki Minaj says about herself that she is self-aware enough to take her personas seriously, in the sense that she accepts them as a part of her reality.

the creation and use of personas while accepting them as a fact of life fits perfectly with EIE ("The Actor" type). a SEI typing doesn't explain any of it.

In interviews she isn't anywhere near as exaggerated in her demeanor or behavior than in her music videos. She seems much more naturally relaxed and composed in many of the clips I've seen of her, which would have me think IP > EJ. On top of that I don't get the same spaced-out tinge to her as I see in Ni egos. Compare her to someone like Janelle Monae, who I estimate is Fe-INFp:



What you're saying about her being an "actor, thus ENFj" sounds like an appeal to a vague and highly interpretable stereotype, and I see no reason for any Fe subtype to be unable to create and implement personas in the same way. Sure she may be highly aware of her characters (I'd be astonished if she wasn't), but it's pretty clear in her live performances that she plays up these characters for laughs. If I could find a video of her recent performance at the Grammys I'd post it as such an example.


edit: lol the two of them have the same hair

[glam]

In interviews she isn't anywhere near as exaggerated in her demeanor or behavior than in her music videos. She seems much more naturally relaxed and composed in many of the clips I've seen of her, which would have me think IP > EJ. On top of that I don't get the same spaced-out tinge to her as I see in Ni egos. Compare her to someone like Janelle Monae, who I estimate is Fe-INFp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFYou-c7HKE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkAHDFWtlPo

What you're saying about her being an "actor, thus ENFj" sounds like an appeal to a vague and highly interpretable stereotype, and I see no reason for any Fe subtype to be unable to create and implement personas in the same way. Sure she may be highly aware of her characters (I'd be astonished if she wasn't), but it's pretty clear in her live performances that she plays up these characters for laughs. If I could find a video of her recent performance at the Grammys I'd post it as such an example.

no i have also watched lots of videos and interviews of Nicki and i don't agree that she is low-energy or go-with-the-flow enough to be considered Ip temperament. even if i am wrong and she actually is Ip temperament, i would consider IEI before i would consider SEI.

i am not sure of Janelle Monae's type and don't care to consider it in-depth atm, but i have gotten the impression before that she might be another Beta NF. so this isn't really proving a quadra difference to me here between these two women.

there is nothing wrong to me with considering the titles assigned to the types. they are not there just to sound impressive and be useless, they are names that describe the behavior and role in society that each of the types play. i am not going to type Nicki, a fiery-tempered person who does things such as writing a confrontational song calling a rival rapper a "stupid hoe" over and over again, as a "Peacemaker" type.

the entire point of typing is to categorize people, so obviously people must follow some type of criteria to be categorized (typed) a certain way. obviously stereotypes will be born out of such systems, but i am not trying to stereotype so much as i am trying to find the best way to get the pieces of evidence to fit. for example, another reason i can't consider SEI is because i don't believe Nicki is the type of person an ILE would need. an ILE needs a soft and gentle kind of person, to calm them down and to be naturally diplomatic - a description that does not fit Nicki. on the other hand, LSIs are energized by fiery, dramatic people like Nicki, so to me that is more evidence that EIE is a better typing for Nicki than SEI.

also i don't know why you're talking about me stereotyping, when you yourself give reasons such as "I don't get the same spaced-out tinge to her as I see in Ni egos" in order to dismiss an EIE typing for Nicki. come on now.

[Radio]

This is what Ej temperament looks like:



Notice how engaging Tyra is, how her emotionality flows along with her words and it seems to be connected with her environment, with the interviewer. She is kind of the person who could make you smile by just smiling herself. Like her entire body is putting in the effort when communicating. Her energy when speaking is fairly high, fairly active, she talks fast and knows what to say and which gestures to make intuitively without much effort. This is because of Fe as the dominant function.

Now compare that to Nicki:



The manner of speaking is slower, less energetic, more detached. She looks inside herself when deliberating, thinking what to say next and remains inside herself, running over her thoughts. Her voice is monotonous, which indicates a more distant disposition, in stark contrast with Tyra. Her processing time is slower, even though the final product she presents is framed in terms of Fe. Although her movements are fluid, she doesn't move much, doesn't invest herself physically (I > E).

I'm describing what I see because it seems often what's obvious for me is not obvious for other people.

I don't know what you're seeing Starfall. EIE or any manner of extrovert is a ridiculous typing.

[Anglas]

She is ugly.

[glam]

This is what Ej temperament looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvC2BtSzRBA

Notice how engaging Tyra is, how her emotionality flows along with her words and it seems to be connected with her environment, with the interviewer. She is kind of the person who could make you smile by just smiling herself. Like her entire body is putting in the effort when communicating. Her energy when speaking is fairly high, fairly active, she talks fast and knows what to say and which gestures to make intuitively without much effort. This is because of Fe as the dominant function.

Now compare that to Nicki:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho7lnT6vXHo

The manner of speaking is slower, less energetic, more detached. She looks inside herself when deliberating, thinking what to say next and remains inside herself, running over her thoughts. Her voice is monotonous, which indicates a more distant disposition, in stark contrast with Tyra. Her processing time is slower, even though the final product she presents is framed in terms of Fe. Although her movements are fluid, she doesn't move much, doesn't invest herself physically (I > E).

I'm describing what I see because it seems often what's obvious for me is not obvious for other people.

I don't know what you're seeing Starfall. EIE or any manner of extrovert is a ridiculous typing.

first off i believe Tyra is not Fe-base but probably Se-SEE. i see what you are saying, but i think the differences that you are describing here i believe have a lot to do with Sensing vs Intuition. overall Intuiters are more in their heads and while communicating (like Nicki), while Sensors are more concentrated on responding the immediate environment (like Tyra).

i think you could consider more the kinds of things these two focus on or on their behaviors, instead of just on these impressionistic views of how they speak. i'm not saying this is irrelevant information, but overall, standing on its own, it's weaker than other forms of evidence.

nobody still has sufficiently explained why Nicki is SEI and not EIE: why she is an ILE's dual, why she is Si-base, why she is Alpha, etc. in a way i'm not surprised because imo it's a bad typing and there isn't much evidence to support it; i think its "validity" is dependent on propagating a warped view of who Nicki is.

another not-SEI quote from Nicki http://www.rapbasement.com/nicki-min...lick-here.html

"Once I figure something is irritating people, I'm going to do it more," she says, smiling, "because I like to get on your nerves until you realize how fucking stupid you are."

[717495]

[glam]

[ArchonAlarion]

IEI

[717495]

No, EIE is the Actor.

[HERO]

I think she might be ILI-Te? (Dominant? subtype). Of course, EIE might be more likely.

[EyeSeeCold]

some people in the thread are arguing that Minaj is a SEI who's trying to act otherwise. where is the actual evidence that there is a SEI underneath the persona/s?

you have to remember that "Nicki Minaj" herself is a persona too, so the exaggerated, in-your-face behaviors shouldn't be surprising. i don't understand how Galen could come to the conclusion that she "doesn't take herself seriously". it's actually pretty clear if you read what Nicki Minaj says about herself that she is self-aware enough to take her personas seriously, in the sense that she accepts them as a part of her reality.

the creation and use of personas while accepting them as a fact of life fits perfectly with EIE ("The Actor" type). a SEI typing doesn't explain any of it.

Stereotyponics.

I guess that means all entrepreneurs are LIE, all analysts are LII, all poets are IEI, etc., because by golly that's what their profiles are often titled.

Reductio ad absurdum + Strawman fallacy + Ignoratio elenchi = 2500 pts

Nice combo

[jouziou]

@starfall you want see in beta almost everyone you adore, it's fucking ridiculous and have nothing to do with real typing...

nicki ESFx

[cute]

i think she's IEI.

[EyeSeeCold]

Turn it around? It was obvious sarcasm when I 1st posted it.

Obvious to you, you mean.

To make it easier, I'll just assume you're always being sarcastic since you don't seem interested in being sincere and serious.

By developing a sense of emotional intelligence.

Alright, but you have to cut back on your passive-aggressive sarcasm, and be more of an independent thinker. Deal?

[717495]

People on here say ludicrous things all the time because we insist both sides of the hypothetical to get a clear perspective, doesn't mean we mean everything we say. It's not really emotional intelligence, it's being able to grasp what is ludicrous or isn't. If you don't think it was obvious sarcasm then you have mental problems or maybe are just pulling one over on all of us. But I really don't know what to expect from some of you weirdos so I'm putting the truth out there and take what you want from it even if it sounds rash.

[Galen]

Alright, but you have to cut back on your passive-aggressive sarcasm, and be more of an independent thinker. Deal?

1. no
2. Were you to read the words on the screen, you would see:

Are you serious? Everything I've said in this thread has been derived from my own observations.

[EyeSeeCold]

1. no
2. Were you to read the words on the screen, you would see:

Are you serious? Everything I've said in this thread has been derived from my own observations.

1.) Why not?

2.) Okay Galen, if you say so.

[Galen]

1.) Why not?

Because it's a good exercise so you can learn to intuitively understanding other people. I'm helping you out!

By the by, how is it that you're taking control of your life?

[Korpsy Knievel]

Oh shit, she's from Queens, not Brooklyn, and thus obviously SEI after all.

[Aquagraph]

Ugh, MTV 'people'..

[Galen]

Reductio ad absurdum

How is it any more absurd than what glam said? He's not reducing the argument to anything, he's just pointing out the inherent absurdity in the claim itself.

Strawman fallacy

See above.

Ignoratio elenchi

How?

[EyeSeeCold]

How is it any more absurd than what glam said? He's not reducing the argument to anything, he's just pointing out the inherent absurdity in the claim itself.


See above.


How?

Prove to me you deserve the effort I put into my intellectual arguments. I mean, time and energy is precious and fleeting, I have to ask, are you worth it?

[Galen]

Prove to me you deserve the effort I put into my intellectual arguments. I mean, time and energy is precious and fleeting, I have to ask, are you worth it?

That's your decision, not mine. Stop wasting time with passive-aggressive pinpricks, coward.

[EyeSeeCold]

That's your decision, not mine. Stop wasting time with passive-aggressive pinpricks, coward.

It is not a pinprick and it is not passive aggressive. It is your decision, Galen. I am taking control of my life, tell me why in the world should I waste my life essence on you?


Step out from k0rpsey's and Ashton's wings and drop the blowhard persona, Galen. Step up and be your own man.

[ashlesha]

jfc, esc. you're being ridiculous.

[Galen]

It is not a pinprick and it is not passive aggressive. It is your decision, Galen. I am taking control of my life, tell me why in the world should I waste my life essence on you?

How is me telling you why you should or should not do something an example of you taking control of your own life? It's entirely your prerogative if you want to waste your own time, that decision lies squarely on your own shoulders.

Step out from k0rpsey's and Ashton's wings and drop the blowhard persona, Galen. Step up and be your own man.

So you're not going to answer my question then. Cool cop-out.

[Korpsy Knievel]

Pre-famous 4 dat anus

[717495]

Pre-famous 4 dat anus

//http://vimeo.com/36734554

kids 2 years ago:



They upgraded to Nicki Manaj and don't listen to crap like this anymore.

[vesstheastralsilky]

Surprise surprise, she is NOT Fe. She ignores Fe.

She is EII !!! Like Thandie Newton, a more quiet version.