A Challenge

[tcaudilllg]

Be your activity partner. Don't ask how, just "be" them.

Be your superego partner. Don't ask how... just "be" them.

[The Exception]

And what is the point of doing this? To understand these types better so we can better relate to them? Something else?

[tcaudilllg]

And what is the point of doing this? To understand these types better so we can better relate to them? Something else?

To understand your reasons for not trying to act like them.

[Timeless]

Activity:

Ready to be a man? Let's go out. It's Friday, so fuck your computer and Steve Jobs, unless you want to bring it to the club and be like "Hey girl, let's play Quake."

Super-Ego:

So, how are you feeling today?

[GallopingQwerty]

Activity:

Ready to be a man? Let's go out. It's Friday, so fuck your computer and Steve Jobs, unless you want to bring it to the club and be like "Hey girl, let's play Quake."

Super-Ego:

So, how are you feeling today?

Is there a person around who'd say both those things? If so, hey, let's go bowling! I'll kick your butt all over the lanes AND top your Quake score, all while sliding around on cool rented shoes and eating cheap nachos.

[tcaudilllg]

Activity:

So you mean to say that you don't care that you are making me uncomfortable? Well then, I have nothing to say to you. See ya.

(or else)

Do you have any idea how comfortable that makes me? Let's talk.

Super-Ego:

That you have allowed this to happen is a grave injustice. Do not talk to me about either injustice or virtue, you who sit upon a throne of wine and sip grapes. I should cast you down from the highest perch for your squalid contempt for all righteousness.

Once we melt your throne of gold, I think we'll have enough to make up for your crimes. (deadly glare)

(I don't know... does that sound like ISFj, or some other type?)

[Creepy-male]

No SEI would ever speak like that.

[tcaudilllg]

No SEI would ever speak like that.

I didn't suggest that they would. I'm just explaining how I most often use SiFe.

[tcaudilllg]

Here's what I've determined: my superego functions are weak because I fear using them in process mode, which is my natural inclination. See using process FiSe, I can make people adopt my values, so I don't have to respect theirs. Otherwise with result FiSe, I'm in a position where I know I can't make other people adopt my values, because they are to be respected. That's what result FiSe says: respect others' values.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Timeless]

Is there a person around who'd say both those things? If so, hey, let's go bowling! I'll kick your butt all over the lanes AND top your Quake score, all while sliding around on cool rented shoes and eating cheap nachos.

Yeah, my best friend and his brother are both ESFj's, and they're a lot like that.

They both say the most random shit it's funny.

This happened last weekend:

(In the car looking for a bar)

ESE: Hey relax man.
LII: Where should I turn?
ESE: Damn Tokyo Drift. Keep on going. (He's Japanese)
ESE: Hey, I'm sorry about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We had to do what we had to do.
LII: (Laughing) I wasn't even born then!
ESE: I'm just fucking with you man, I hope you don't pull out your samurai sword. I like Sony man!

They recently started to hang out more often.

P.S. I'll go for the nachos.

[The Exception]

Being them is tough, but I admit, like with any personality construct, if you put yourself in a different type's shoes, you begin to change your mode of thought and find your state of mind shifts to be closer to theirs.

Yes, but wouldn't you compensate by using your type's strong functions to help you understand the weak functions of the other type you're trying to emulate? You are the type you are, your type doesn't go away, it manifests in everything you do.

[MatthewZ]

This isn't making me FEEL good.

[tcaudilllg]

Yes, but wouldn't you compensate by using your type's strong functions to help you understand the weak functions of the other type you're trying to emulate? You are the type you are, your type doesn't go away, it manifests in everything you do.

Put it this way: there are wards against putting absolute confidence in your non-4D functions. Each function/element combination represents a different world. If you use your creative function with the confidence of your base function, your confidence in your base may diminish, but at what cost?

What is the cost of ignoring the reasons we have different levels of confidence in our functions?

It seems to me a matter of avoiding arrogance.