I was wondering about Ne in ILEs and IEEs: does Ne involve the attitude that (raw) empirical data is discarded once its information has been integrated in the knowledge framework, i.e. easily forgotten?
I was wondering about Ne in ILEs and IEEs: does Ne involve the attitude that (raw) empirical data is discarded once its information has been integrated in the knowledge framework, i.e. easily forgotten?
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
I'm inclined to think so, as it is / that we are actively using rather than, let's say, /. I might be reaching/generalizing, but / leads tend to go off on their established conclusions and back themselves up whenever necessary, but have a stronger grasp on what they believe/think rather than on how or why they think the way they do. It's not to say these types have baseless beliefs, but it might be what they focus on more. I'm not completely sure, but this was my gut reaction.
I wouldn't say that it should be discarded, but I would say Ne egos find the data secondary to it's usefulness. That is, once it's been analyzed and a conclusion or use has been established, the knowledge of the initial data is less important than moving forward.
All of that said, I don't entirely believe in empiricism. There are very few arenas in the world where empirical data can actually be used empirically.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Just thought about this a little further and thought of something else. As Ne base types are focussed on a certain degree of discovery, their objective is completed simply by discovering and once they've found an acceptable conclusion they're prepared to move on. This discovery fixation is the foundation of certain IXE stereotypes like rapidly changing interests.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think you've slightly missed what I meant. I did not say that IXEs settle on an idea and are unopen to changing the interpretation of this idea. Rather, that instead of dwelling on a series of noted "facts" they wish to use them. This fixation on use, which in this context I've extrapolated to mean discovery, means that IXEs are less fixated on the data. They have no need to fixate on data because if they've observed the data once they can observe the data again.
In contrast, I've noticed Ni base types (ILI/IEI) have a tendency to fixate on data. Not only are they active data collectors, but they want to have constant access to this pool of concrete variables which they can use to filter through their own perception of possible outcomes.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Well, taking this analogy further:
I believe I have a floppy drive, but I don't use it as much. It may have dust on it, but it still exists, so I wouldn't say it's discarded completely. The drive is there, but the disk is somewhere out there "...if I can remember where." Even if I didn't have a drive, I can always find one on eBay and re-install it.
:wink:
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Yes, I have observed the same phenomena. As to the IEEs memory for old things, I would say that is not the memory of old raw data, but snippets of information presented from the knowledge framework, which is the container of integrated information (note: not integrated data). So what I actually mean by raw empirical data, is sort of sensory data (not necessarily speaking of sensory in Socionics terms). Am I making sense?
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
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"Never memorize something that you can look up."
— Albert Einstein
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
The library I work at has external floppy drives that patrons can borrow. The external drive hooks up to a USB port and has a slot to stick a floppy in. We still get a couple of requests for it each day.
I mostly agree with this, I don't like to memorize stuff either. However, there are some things I will take the time to memorize because I don't want to have to look it up everytime.
It's funny how alot of people these days don't memorize their own phone number for example. They have to pop open their cell phone and look it up in the index. I know that you normally don't call yourself but when you have to fill out a form that asks for your phone number or someone asks for it, I think it would be a real pain to have to look it up every time.
I'm old enough to remember the days when most people didn't have cell phones. I remember when I was in elementary school, that we were told to always remember our phone number and never forgot it. Unless you have a major memory impairment, not knowing your own phone number was virtually unheard of.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP