Non-Romantic Duality

[Shagbag The Wizard]

What gets me is that Shabag's responses, like that, strike me as EXTREMELY the same way that beta NFs respond to things. That response in and of itself makes reminds me of an EIE who is excited when it starts to see a lightening up of someone who is otherwise reserved - an LSI, so to say.

Ryu, the difference is that I was not so much excited by you "lightening up" as excited by the fact that we seemed to be "getting along pretty well". If you go back and read it again, you'll see it.

My main agenda is making sure that I am establishing correct / harmonious / positive / acceptable / useful / stress-free relations. As far as I'm concerned, Fe is only a tool to that end, not the end itself.

Again, Fe as 7th function makes this possible.



Besides, humor is not the exclusive domain of Fes, lest I state the obvious.



Also, I think what you are not able to see from there is the dry / flat / mildly ironic tone I use when I make those comments. I'm not doing it to "liven you up", I'm doing it to facilitate a sense of connection, common ground, mutual understanding.

[UDP]

I'm not making a case for you as IEI or beta when I say that, it's just how it comes across to me.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

Fair enough, just felt I needed to clarify a few things, not just for you but for our audience of Beta NFs who seem agitated by the fact that they no longer have ALL the cool people.

[UDP]

perha's you're 4w3, I think that was Christy Bs type? (EII-Ne)

[thePirate]

Ryu, the difference is that I was not so much excited by you "lightening up" as excited by the fact that we seemed to be "getting along pretty well". If you go back and read it again, you'll see it.

My main agenda is making sure that I am establishing correct / harmonious / positive / acceptable / useful / stress-free relations. As far as I'm concerned, Fe is only a tool to that end, not the end itself.

Again, Fe as 7th function makes this possible.



Besides, humor is not the exclusive domain of Fes, lest I state the obvious.



Also, I think what you are not able to see from there is the dry / flat / mildly ironic tone I use when I make those comments. I'm not doing it to "liven you up", I'm doing it to facilitate a sense of connection, common ground, mutual understanding.

you know everytime I see you post you always have an excuse for your behavior. its obvious you have adequate powers of rationalization, however nothing you have said so far explains any of your behavior. having Fe as a seventh function isnt going to cut it, first of all I already told you it was your ignoring function in another thread. you would not use it this often because what you would consider a useful 'tool', something as a means to get something done would not be Fe. moreso, you use it of your own free accord and it is not forced of you whatsoever. getting along with LSEs on the forum is not a good indicator either. I get along with them fine too, on a level. you dont know how fe manifests as a 7th function or the mindset of why one would use it as an infj, or prefer not to, none of this correlates with how you come off or think. you may come out with yet another rationalization, maybe even that 'this isnt who you are' which would be some more bs, but let me tell you explicitly that there is no way in heck you are delta. luckily, your socionics knowledge is faulty, and visibly so, in so much as your bs isnt even an ounce credible. I really consider this uck on your part, if you were more knowledgeable on the matter you may have been able to trick some members and done more harm to yourself. the sooner you accept it the better life you will live.

I mean come the fuck on, your friends with jw3 right, the SLE? saying 'hes not a typical sle' is such fucking bullshit. whenever people make claims like this, saying stuff or claiming things are different for them is just a stupid way of making yourself fit where you want to.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

What a surprise, another IEI who thinks he knows me better than I know myself.


I am so done with this thread.

[UDP]

(I think it's more wondering about your take on socionics, not how well you know yourself.)

[silverchris9]

What a surprise, another IEI who thinks he knows me better than I know myself.


I am so done with this thread.

Yeah, so I know you have dramatic reactions with people questioning your type or whatever, but to be entirely fair, no one thinks that they know you better than you know yourself; they think they know socionics better than you, which, you must admit, is at least a possibility. Also, the way that you half-intentionally act more EII whenever someone questions your type is very IEI to me . But whatever. Seriously, I don't know. There are many things that make you appear IEI, or at least Fe-ego. But you could very well be EII. And even if you are IEI, it certainly took pirate and crazed and even me a minute to figure out/admit their/our actual types, so people can at least be as patient with you as others were with them... (not that gilly, strrrng and co., were at all patient with pirate claiming to be IEE when he was clearly Fe ego. If I remember correctly, he seemed to have a problem with SLEs too...).

EDIT: lol @ Ryu saying the exact same thing as me in an eighth as many words.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

(I think it's more wondering about your take on socionics, not how well you know yourself.)

I'm just tired of my ability to understand certain basic concepts being a constant object of suspicion and debate, which undermines basically everything I say because people tend to think I'm talking mostly out of my ass.

Really, I don't have the stamina for this. There are more useful things I should probably be spending my energy on.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

And no, this is not Fe dramatism, it's just a practical issue of evaluating where I'm more needed, and right now I don't think that place is here.

[UDP]

EDIT: lol @ Ryu saying the exact same thing as me in an eighth as many words.

lol at the idea of a dual + conflictor tag teaming someone
!Eiffel Tower!

[silverchris9]

And no, this is not Fe dramatism, it's just a practical issue of evaluating where I'm more needed, and right now I don't think that place is here.

This is an unnecessary comment, I know, but that right there pissed me off, first of all because the two aren't mutually exclusive and secondly, because you only decide that you're not needed somewhere when someone pisses you off by not believing your self-typing. Of *course* it's Fe dramatism. You pissed me off, so I'm taking my toys and going home? Nothing but Fe. The only vaguely EII thing about it is the bullshit excuse. [/irritated rant].

On another note, you may be EII if you would prefer to keep sentiments positive all around rather than express yourself. Obviously, we do a little bit of both in everyday life, but the ideal world of an EII tends to be "control my emotional expression for the sake of keeping sentiments positive, nobody upset at one another," whereas the ideal world of an IEI is more "have the balls to express myself regardless of who's going to be angry."

Ryu, "eiffel tower"?

[thePirate]

I'm just tired of my ability to understand certain basic concepts being a constant object of suspicion and debate, which undermines basically everything I say because people tend to think I'm talking mostly out of my ass.

Really, I don't have the stamina for this. There are more useful things I should probably be spending my energy on.

Im just going to point out the obvious:

if multiple people who have studied theory longer than you are telling you that you dont know shit, odds are theres a kink or two in your understanding. if you really think its just IEIs, look at that other thread you made where a good chunk of the forum told you that you werent EII. Im not questioning your ability man, but what you write shows flawed knowledge. you definitely have said certain things to try to fit a type, thats obvious to me. maybe not all the info, but much of what you say is incorrect and this isnt an attack on how you know yourself. your misattributing things to concepts you think you understand yet your application of said concepts or descriptions doesnt correlate with what they actually are.

there is just no way your EII dude.

[thePirate]

This is an unnecessary comment, I know, but that right there pissed me off, first of all because the two aren't mutually exclusive and secondly, because you only decide that you're not needed somewhere when someone pisses you off by not believing your self-typing. Of *course* it's Fe dramatism. You pissed me off, so I'm taking my toys and going home? Nothing but Fe. The only vaguely EII thing about it is the bullshit excuse. [/irritated rant].

Ryu, "eiffel tower"?

Yes, thank you. this is a perfect example of his misunderstanding of concepts.

[matilda]

but the ideal world of an EII tends to be "control my emotional expression for the sake of keeping sentiments positive, nobody upset at one another," whereas the ideal world of an IEI is more "have the balls to express myself regardless of who's going to be angry."

isn't it the opposite?

[silverchris9]

isn't it the opposite?

I don't think so. I'm not talking about what actually happens, but what the ideal is.

IEIs are crazy diplomatic, but in an ideal world, we'd like to be able to express our emotions openly. When I think Shagbag has done something stupid, I want to be honest and just say that I think he's done something stupid. But I feel a little prick in my stomach saying, "oh, but you might hurt his feelings."

EIIs, on the other hand, would not want to hurt anybody's feelings even in an ideal world. When they think Shagbag has done something stupid, they prefer to discuss it in private or do something that will keep them from offending Shagbag/hurting his feelings, while feeling a little prick in their stomach saying, "oh, but you should express your feelings more openly!"

IEIs, in my experience, tend to wish they had the guts to hurt people's feelings, and are less troubled (in theory, not practice) by the fact that you do sometimes have to hurt people's feelings to get shit done.

To take it to the function analysis level, Fi is more concerned with the bond between individuals than the emotional expression of any one individual. Fe is more concerned with the expression of individual emotion than the bond between individuals. Fe is concerned with representation: if I feel angry, I want to act angry; if I feel happy, I want to act happy. Fi does not place the same sort of premium on representation, in my experience, especially outside of a bond with a few special people.

[UDP]

Ryu, "eiffel tower"?

 

[matilda]

IEIs are crazy diplomatic, but in an ideal world, we'd like to be able to express our emotions openly.

I get it now. I think this is spot on

[silverchris9]

 

No gracias.

...Shag's the one on his knees. You must be the one pitching, 'cause I ain't into that shite. Oh, wait, no, that's a girl. I didn't see the boobs. Hmmm... now I have a tougher choice. I mean, I don't think I'd be into anal, but I've never tried it... (granted, I've never "tried" sex period, due to a combination of timidity and Christianity--a combination which has proved quite potent over the ages). however, lol, as it is a ridiculous but vaguely logical comparison to socionics... (that is, you want to suck your dual's metaphorical dick, and you get fucked up the ass by your conflictor!)

I get it now. I think this is spot on.

Gracias.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

no one thinks that they know you better than you know yourself; they think they know socionics better than you, which, you must admit, is at least a possibility.

Ok, first.

I'm not gonna beat around the bush with this. People selectively reading my posts and jumping to conclusions about me with entire chunks of the story/picture missing is highly, HIGHLY irritating to me.

This is why I feel like I'm often wasting my time on this forum, which in itself is an even further irritant considering how limited my free time is.

FYI I HAVE already admitted the possibility of others knowing more than me since my first day here. I think I have been exceedingly patient, humble and gracious in hearing everyone's input. You guys HAMMERED me in my initial threads, and I will admit, it was brutal. I nearly left there and then. But I decided to stay, and for the sake of fairness I DID in fact give serious consideration to IEI, according to everyone's recommendations.

Ryu, Solidad and JWC3 will confirm this from the LONG PM discussions I've had with them about this.

So when I say that after all this tedious re-evaluation and re-reading mounds of socionic material all over again, as well as serious reflection on my relationships with known types, EII STILL came out as the only viable option for me, I am not simply talking out of my ass.

I simply am NOT an IEI, of this I am 100% sure. There are some clear differences between EII and IEI that don't take a degree in rocket science to comprehend for fuck sakes, and I resent being continually treated like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

I also HIGHLY doubt that a measly 1,000 posts makes you or anyone else that much more of an expert. Seriously, this patronising needs to stop. NOW. Give me the benefit of the doubt like I did for you and everyone else, or I WILL take my toys and go play somewhere else.

You pissed me off, so I'm taking my toys and going home? Nothing but Fe. The only vaguely EII thing about it is the bullshit excuse.

No, this is not Fe, it's just common sense. Seriously, who the fuck is gonna continue sitting around in company that patronises the shit out of him? I would have to be an idiot to put up with this indefinitely.

What's pissing me off as well is people assigning the Fe label to any form of emphatic, well-articulated self-expression. This is complete and utter bullshit, and an insult to the intelligence of non-Fe types. Get over yourselves for fuck sake.

Neither do Fe egos have the monopoly on humour.
Neither is it exclusively Fe to make an effort to be friendly and get along with people.
Neither is it impossible for an INFj to get pissed off.

And no, "pissed off" does not equal Fe, so don't even try.

Fe-PoLR egos get pissed off all the time, and can be very vocal about it.

the ideal world of an EII tends to be "control my emotional expression for the sake of keeping sentiments positive, nobody upset at one another

More selective reading on your part. You obviously have no idea and no appreciation for how I have already been doing this, and here the accusations are flying. And you wonder why I'm losing patience.

INFjs are very patient and very controlled, but we have our limits. There are things even we will not tolerate.

IEIs, in my experience, tend to wish they had the guts to hurt people's feelings, and are less troubled (in theory, not practice) by the fact that you do sometimes have to hurt people's feelings to get shit done.

Don't take this personally (it obviously comes down to socionic differences at the end of the day), but in my personal experience with them, IEIs DO hurt peoples' feelings (albeit unintentionally for the most part) and seem largely oblivious to it. And when they do realise something's wrong, their "sensitivity" tends to be annoyingly superficial. I'm not saying you guys are not sensitive, but your approach is usually to solve the problem using Fe, trying to "cheer up" the person, as if simply making them feel better will cause the problem to go away. You seem to lack any desire or capacity to detect and address the real underlying cause of their suffering.

Just like you are not making any effort right now to know me before making snap judgments. Your Ni is all you need apparently. Real facts be damned.

For the same reason, the IEI brand of "diplomacy" often comes across as shallow and cheap to my EII sensitivities.

I also have difficulty taking you guys seriously because your Te-PoLR makes it impossible to reason with you and have any kind of productive conversation. My talks with IEIs ALWAYS seem to go round and round in circles and never get anywhere.

Which is why I already know that this entire rant is not gonna change a damn thing.

[Galen]

What a surprise, another IEI who thinks he knows me better than I know myself.


I am so done with this thread.

Welcome to socionics.

[717495]

 

This is legal in France?

[Joy]

I don't think a relationship has to be sexual/romantic to experience "dualization". You just have to spend a lot of time with the person.

[Creepy-sarahdxwrappd]

My cousin's my dual; we never argue, we never fight, we go out, have a drink and laugh, she is so strict with time management; one day, when we were at Knotts Farm and about to leave, she turned around and screamed at everyone for not rushing out the exit door, and I knew this was rage. Kids get frightened by rage if they've never seen one, so I had to do damage control to make sure that the little ones didn't start to cry. I softly reminded my cousin to keep that rage under control and that we weren't going to be late for anything...providing reassurance about how things will work out always helps my dual cousin calm down.

Your cousin sounds insane. shocker.

[Beautiful sky]

Your cousin sounds insane. shocker.

I wouldn't want you to ever get into a relationship of the type if you can't handle this part of their personality, but it is what it is.

[thePirate]

Ok, first.

I'm not gonna beat around the bush with this. People selectively reading my posts and jumping to conclusions about me with entire chunks of the story/picture missing is highly, HIGHLY irritating to me.

This is why I feel like I'm often wasting my time on this forum, which in itself is an even further irritant considering how limited my free time is.

FYI I HAVE already admitted the possibility of others knowing more than me since my first day here. I think I have been exceedingly patient, humble and gracious in hearing everyone's input. You guys HAMMERED me in my initial threads, and I will admit, it was brutal. I nearly left there and then. But I decided to stay, and for the sake of fairness I DID in fact give serious consideration to IEI, according to everyone's recommendations.

Ryu, Solidad and JWC3 will confirm this from the LONG PM discussions I've had with them about this.

So when I say that after all this tedious re-evaluation and re-reading mounds of socionic material all over again, as well as serious reflection on my relationships with known types, EII STILL came out as the only viable option for me, I am not simply talking out of my ass.

I simply am NOT an IEI, of this I am 100% sure. There are some clear differences between EII and IEI that don't take a degree in rocket science to comprehend for fuck sakes, and I resent being continually treated like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

I also HIGHLY doubt that a measly 1,000 posts makes you or anyone else that much more of an expert. Seriously, this patronising needs to stop. NOW. Give me the benefit of the doubt like I did for you and everyone else, or I WILL take my toys and go play somewhere else.





No, this is not Fe, it's just common sense. Seriously, who the fuck is gonna continue sitting around in company that patronises the shit out of him? I would have to be an idiot to put up with this indefinitely.

What's pissing me off as well is people assigning the Fe label to any form of emphatic, well-articulated self-expression. This is complete and utter bullshit, and an insult to the intelligence of non-Fe types. Get over yourselves for fuck sake.

Neither do Fe egos have the monopoly on humour.
Neither is it exclusively Fe to make an effort to be friendly and get along with people.
Neither is it impossible for an INFj to get pissed off.

And no, "pissed off" does not equal Fe, so don't even try.

Fe-PoLR egos get pissed off all the time, and can be very vocal about it.





More selective reading on your part. You obviously have no idea and no appreciation for how I have already been doing this, and here the accusations are flying. And you wonder why I'm losing patience.

INFjs are very patient and very controlled, but we have our limits. There are things even we will not tolerate.




Don't take this personally (it obviously comes down to socionic differences at the end of the day), but in my personal experience with them, IEIs DO hurt peoples' feelings (albeit unintentionally for the most part) and seem largely oblivious to it. And when they do realise something's wrong, their "sensitivity" tends to be annoyingly superficial. I'm not saying you guys are not sensitive, but your approach is usually to solve the problem using Fe, trying to "cheer up" the person, as if simply making them feel better will cause the problem to go away. You seem to lack any desire or capacity to detect and address the real underlying cause of their suffering.

Just like you are not making any effort right now to know me before making snap judgments. Your Ni is all you need apparently. Real facts be damned.

For the same reason, the IEI brand of "diplomacy" often comes across as shallow and cheap to my EII sensitivities.

I also have difficulty taking you guys seriously because your Te-PoLR makes it impossible to reason with you and have any kind of productive conversation. My talks with IEIs ALWAYS seem to go round and round in circles and never get anywhere.

Which is why I already know that this entire rant is not gonna change a damn thing.

god theres so many things wrong with this post

okay, first off you ask whose going to stick around when someone patronizes them, its common sense to leave. My answer is MANY types would do such a thing and to suggest something is common sense is another fallacy in typing. If socionics has taught us one thing, is it not that 'common sense' varies from type to type?

your missing the point of what we're saying because of your clear bias towards thinking your a certain type. people on here are criticizing the WAY in which you present yourself, there are no correlations between Fe being angry or whatever, the fact of the matter is you do not express yourself in the way Fi types do. yes, the whole forum is against you. thats because, you really dont know shit about socionics and its becoming clearer with each post.

you also think because of Te conversations arent productive for you with INFps? none of this has anything to do with Te, your faulty Ti is the reason why conversations arent productive. there have been plenty of productive conversations with said IEIs here on different topics, so it it really them or is it you? my moneys on you.

Im really fighting the urge to call you a fucking idiot right now. you attribute Ni to our judgements of you, despite EVERYTHING about you pointing away from delta? what about the other non Ni people, the other people in the forum, who dont buy your typings? snap ni judgements for them too? your sounding ridiculous right now

Also as far as what you say about INFps, thats not true with me at all and not true with some other infps Ive known either. tbh, that sounds more like an ISFp/ESFj/Alpha quadra solution to me. I always want to get down to the underlying cause. (ni you dipshit). to suggest we only for for a temporary fix is ridiculous, Ni is oriented towards the long term. why the fuck would we go for the short term fix as opposed to the long term when we KNOW thats what matters?

[Beautiful sky]

I think he's ISTp

[Shagbag The Wizard]

@Pirate: Yeah, like I said, the entire rant wasn't gonna change anything.

What I've resented from the beginning is that you (and others in the peanut gallery) obviously don't know me except on a VERY superficial level and are spouting all kinds of bullshit about me and patting yourselves on the back for it.

But then again, this is nothing new in my experience with IEIs. I'm already so over it.

despite EVERYTHING about you pointing away from delta?

Clearly, everything you *think* you know about me is pointing away from what you *think* you know about what Delta's *should* be like.

Get your ego under control and we can talk. Otherwise, for the sake of everyone's peace of mind, please just leave me alone. I'm done arguing.



@Maritsa: no I am not ISTp. You also don't know me well enough to jump to any conclusions about my type.

[Beautiful sky]

@Maritsa: no I am not ISTp. You also don't know me well enough to jump to any conclusions about my type.

I don't enter into a forum or a room screaming "Bitcheeeeeees" like you do. ISTp do that.

[thePirate]

@Pirate: Yeah, like I said, the entire rant wasn't gonna change anything.

What I've resented from the beginning is that you (and others in the peanut gallery) obviously don't know me except on a VERY superficial level and are spouting all kinds of bullshit about me and patting yourselves on the back for it.

But then again, this is nothing new in my experience with IEIs. I'm already so over it.




Clearly, everything you *think* you know about me is pointing away from what you *think* you know about what Delta's *should* be like.

Get your ego under control and we can talk. Otherwise, for the sake of everyone's peace of mind, please just leave me alone. I'm done arguing.



@Maritsa: no I am not ISTp. You also don't know me well enough to jump to any conclusions about my type.

I dont like trhat your stereotyping this just to IEIs because there are plenty of other types who do it too.

Also, if you think there is no merit to whats being said look at the countless other people such at yourself that used the same argument to be utterly wrong by their typings, myself included. the you dont know me, its just through this forum argument doesnt work because ego functions come out in how you talk and through your writing subconciously.

you know Im not even claiming to know your type dude, that is something you can make a statement for in terms of not knowing you. quadras is a different matter. you sound nothing like any other iNFj here, and your not the special exception to that rule.

If a whole forum of people who know how to type better than you tell you that your wrong, and you ignore it insisting that you know better, whose the one w the ego? You have posted enough to give insight into your personality and the discrepency between how you are and what quadra you think your in is so incredibly wide.

[thePirate]

I don't enter into a forum or a room screaming "Bitcheeeeeees" like you do. ISTp do that.

god your criteria is so general, its retarded. this isnt true the SLIs I know dont go around greeting people with hey bitches on a consistent basis. learn to type you fucking fraud.

[Slacker]

Hmm so many thoughts, but such random thoughts.

1. No, SLIs don't do that.

2. I really just opened the thread to find out how this could become NSFW.

3. Non-romantic duality is nice for a lot of the same reason as duality. You can relax and be appreciated for who you naturally are, and you and your non-romantic dual friend have an easy understanding of each other. Though I've forgotten the specific wording of post #1 at this point so I'm not sure if that precisely answers it.

[UDP]

2. I really just opened the thread to find out how this could become NSFW.

ah

[silverchris9]

Shag, you're right in saying that arguing won't help. I have to say I find your way of arguing highly evasive insofar as you are pretty much ignoring what we're actually saying and reducing it to your preconceived notions about what we're saying, i.e., "you think you know me better than I know myself." If you're so sure of your type, then fine. It doesn't hurt either of us is I, or pirate, or anybody else on this forum disagrees. It would be nice, however, if you wouldn't get quite so up in arms any time someone mentions that their observations of you do not match with your self-typing, because, quite frankly, that's simply common sense + a fairly basic understanding of socionics. I'm not saying that these observations present a complete picture of you, and it's entirely possible that there is other information that would make your self-typing make more sense to us in the "peanut gallery," but we are merely commenting on how things look from our vantage point, which is, frankly, not that big a deal.

[Creepy-male]

3. Non-romantic duality is nice for a lot of the same reason as duality. You can relax and be appreciated for who you naturally are, and you and your non-romantic dual friend have an easy understanding of each other. Though I've forgotten the specific wording of post #1 at this point so I'm not sure if that precisely answers it.

Activity is pretty good like this too, although the "understanding" element is less, I think. You're at least in the same quadra, so there's certainly no misunderstanding at the very least. Duals and Semi-Duals "just understand" each other, yes?

[DirectorAbbie]

EDIT: lol @ Ryu saying the exact same thing as me in an eighth as many words.

Lol. I'll bet this is type-related. What types are more likely to ramble, and what types are more likely to get the point across?

I don't enter into a forum or a room screaming "Bitcheeeeeees" like you do. ISTp do that.

ISTps definitely do not do that. An EII might...if in an insane mood.

[Shagbag The Wizard]

@Pirate, Silverchris etc: look, I'm only saying that I am at this point extremely, extremely confident about my type. I'm not being cocky or arrogant about it, if I've come across that way I apologise. It's just that I know myself pretty damn well, and every single thing I've read on socionics so far has only confirmed EII as my type, at least to me.

Believe me, I do listen to what everyone is saying about other possible types. I have seriously considered all of what has been suggested so far, but even with all of that info taken on board, I am still absolutely certain of EII. When you KNOW, you just KNOW, ya know?

What I'm asking is that everyone just give me the benefit of the doubt here and just let me be. Seriously, the arguing is exhausting and extremely unpleasant. If I don't seem like a typical EII, then consider this a learning experience. I am definitely, definitely EII, whatever supposedly "Fe tendencies" I appear to have at times. I don't think being funny or friendly is in any way Fe-related, but whatever.

I've had a lot of influences in my life from other egos / types (including IEIs), picked up a lot of habits along the way that may seem uncharacteristic of INFjs, but we can't all be textbook examples.


Anyway. I'm done here. Y'all have a good evening.


PS - I think we all owe the OP an apology for totally hi-jacking this thread.

[anou]

I don't enter into a forum or a room screaming "Bitcheeeeeees" like you do. ISTp do that.

ISTps definitely do not do that. An EII might...if in an insane mood.

I honestly think every type could do that. I believe people should never be seen detached from surrounding world. I think every experience one does, even those considered to be unimportant, has an affect on that person, even if that effect is only a thought. I believe it`s an interaction, which influences how someone feels and understand himself and others, which influences one`s wordview and "character", which puts on surface traits, thoughts and behaviour, which would remain hidden or even not exist under other circumstances... Shagbag`s behaviour could have so much reasons... People are more complex than internet postings let guess us... I really do not understand the sense of all those "retyping" of forum members...

[Kirana]

What do you guys think of duality outside of romance? What's the relationship like? There's generally a limit on intimacy, and as such on the benefits of duality, but aside from that, pretty cool, no?

my best friend is ESE. my experience with duality has always been in the context of friendship. it's great - she befriended me, despite how scary i appeared (or so she says) and i really did not need to do much to obtain the friendship, and it always felt comfortable. she always appreciated my thoughts, which i now realise is her Ti seeking. much of my learned ability to cope socially was learned by watching her, because she was good at it, and i trusted her not to be doing it as a fake front, which i cannot stand observing let alone copy.

[Creepy-male]

What do you mean by a fake front?