crazedrat is IEI

**Gilly** · 12-31-2009, 04:17 PM

Welcome him.

**strrrng** · 12-31-2009, 04:22 PM

He was knighted long ago.

**Gilly** · 12-31-2009, 04:23 PM

I like things to be official.

**crazedrat** · 12-31-2009, 05:17 PM

that's fine. i do think i'm IEI in many ways. But I am much more confident in scientific areas / constructing logical explanations than in social or political areas. I suppose I should go into an explanation... :

I have learned to be very manipulative through my life, but I still always have the feeling (in every social situation) that things are going to turn on me and I will be ostracized ...(as if I have zero control over the situation). I cannot call social or expressive situations my area of strength; I am highly attuned to them, but in a reactive way uncharacteristic of INFp.. who can, typically, control the flow of social situations (and easily align with people of utility). I also cannot control my emotional outbursts, for a surge of overwhelming negative energy. INFps seem much more collected and in control of their emotions. Their emotional reactions are measured, reasonable, politically tactful... mine are none of those. That, and I am very good with science / philosophy / math. Those areas are, I feel, my most confident. Throughout my life my most impressive achievements have been in these areas. For example like a month ago I pointed out a flaw in the philosophical position of my research methods of psychology teachers understanding of the scientific method (though I partially attribute that to studying socionics), I got 100 his test without reading the book. I kill any kind of debate. I can actually come up with my own theories and explanations for most anything almost instantly, and somehow, they end up being right and often times insightful.. it's like an instant reaction. I consider that my Te creative, partially overshadowed by strong Ni dominance and underappreciated / misunderstood by most who listen to it. ...(most will instantly disagree out of arrogance.) On top of this, I identify almost entirely with the INTp descriptions, VI as INTp ..(other than an INFp smile which I do have), and there are many aspects of INFp descriptions I do not identify with. I don't feel like I have anything close to duality with ESTps I've met or on the forum, but I've met ESFps and the chemistry was unmistakable. Other intertype relations I've had fit the INTp scheme of relations. I reconcile all this by saying I am INTp-Ni very close on the border with INFp. But sometimes I do think I can teeter across..

Creepy-male · 12-31-2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by crazedratXII

that's fine. i do think i'm IEI in many ways

So then it would be interesting to hear of in which ways you think you're ILI. Care to oblige?

**crazedrat** · 12-31-2009, 05:54 PM

Actually I'd really prefer you get out of the thread. I don't respect your opinion enough to oblige you anything.

**Gilly** · 12-31-2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by crazedratXII

that's fine. i do think i'm IEI in many ways. But I am much more confident in scientific areas / constructing logical explanations than in social or political areas.

Funny that, same for me. Could it be intelligence? No, certainly not...but let's look further:

I have learned to be very manipulative through my life, but I still always have the feeling (in every social situation) that things are going to turn on me and I will be ostracized ...(as if I have zero control over the situation). I cannot call social or expressive situations my area of strength; I am highly attuned to them, but in a reactive way uncharacteristic of INFp.. who can, typically, control the flow of social situations (and easily align with people of utility).

You have social anxiety. I do, too, and it has nothing to do with type; I'm a fucking Fe dominant, for crying out loud. You wouldn't be this highly attuned to social dynamics if you were Fe PoLR; they are simply oblivious. We may feel paranoid in social situations, but part of this is due to being overly sensitive to the dynamics, combined with past experiences teaching us to expect the worst.

I also cannot control my emotional outbursts, for a surge of overwhelming negative energy. INFps seem much more collected and in control of their emotions. Their emotional reactions are measured, reasonable, politically tactful... mine are none of those.

That has nothing to do with being ILI; that has to do with your dominant E-type being part of the Reactive triad. You might point to someone like Nick as a comparison; he has outbursts that aren't always totally controlled. He may maintain a larger degree of control to some extent, but remember he is a 3 wing, which implies a much degree of behavioral control than 5 wing.

That, and I am very good with science / philosophy / math. Those areas are, I feel, my most confident. Throughout my life my most impressive achievements have been in these areas. For example like a month ago I pointed out a flaw in the philosophical position of my research methods of psychology teachers understanding of the scientific method (though I partially attribute that to studying socionics), I got 100 his test without reading the book. I kill any kind of debate. I can actually come up with my own theories and explanations for most anything almost instantly, and somehow, they end up being right and often times insightful.. it's like an instant reaction. I consider that my Te creative, partially overshadowed by strong Ni dominance and underappreciated / misunderstood by most who listen to it. ...(most will instantly disagree out of arrogance.)

This is just you being smart. I destroy everyone in my philosophy classes or anything where debate is involved, but Te and Ti are both technically "weak" functions for me (and no, I don't just steamroll people; I lay out logically irrefutable arguments in a calm manner and address all objections made). I always got good grades in science and math, too. You are Ni subtype, which implies stronger/more prevalent Ti than many of the people who are probably "obviously IEI" to you, but really it's just intelligence.

On top of this, I identify almost entirely with the INTp descriptions, VI as INTp ..(other than an INFp smile which I do have), and there are many aspects of INFp descriptions I do not identify with. I don't feel like I have anything close to duality with ESTps I've met or on the forum, but I've met ESFps and the chemistry was unmistakable. Other intertype relations I've had fit the INTp scheme of relations. I reconcile all this by saying I am INTp-Ni very close on the border with INFp. But sometimes I do think I can teeter across..

Identifying with descriptions just shows what appeals to your ego

You're IEI. Fucking accept it. Nick and I have discovered a myriad of IEIs who are behavioral clones of yours; you're practically a fucking archetype

**crazedrat** · 12-31-2009, 07:38 PM

in light of realizing B&D is ISFp, and on that note, my psychotic brother is ISFp, I have revised a few of the conceptions I had about INFps and I am considering this. But I am not yet ready to change my type, mostly because the intertype relations don't seem to fit. And there are real aspects of INFp descriptions which I don't relate to. Especially the aversion to 'business logic' as they call it. I would say I'm attracted to 'business logic'. But I will look into this further and make a decision, I am not entirely closed off to the possibility. It might help if nick could describe to me exactly how Te polr works and feels..

**strrrng** · 12-31-2009, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by crazedrat

other than an INFp smile which I do have

It's irrefutable evidence.

**strrrng** · 12-31-2009, 08:29 PM

RE: polrs -- I find it more significant to focus on Fe polr than Te. I could describe the function and how it manifests poorly in my psyche, but that's a lot less relevant to you being IEI. What I do think, is that an Fe polr would lack the keen awareness of interpersonal dynamics that you clearly illustrate. A recent example would be how you and I sized up haveluciddreamz's intentions in that thread immediately, and pointed out how they manifested within specific actions and reactions. A Te-ego wouldn't notice those kinds of things, and personal criticisms regarding actions would be more centered around the objective consistency lacking in someone's position, not underlying subtleties that give away intentions.

Another example that I think points to our commonality as IEIs, is the manner in which we have gone about mockingly undermining various NTs (ephemeros, polikjum, ashton, etc.). Aside from disputing stupidity with reason, the tactics usually entail "exposing" the transparency of someone's behavior, again, as it betrays intentions (i.e. wittmont in the mimosa thread lol).

Lastly, you are simply far too native in idea formulation for me to buy you as a gamma. Your longer explanations are ridden with Ti (overdone at times -- much like myself), and your way of sizing people up echoes the likes of myself, krae and other beta NFs I have interacted with. Additionally, beta aristocratic values pretty much ooze from you -- i.e. making a satirical thread about cataclysmic forum destruction, subjectively determing peoples' "worth" and very abruptly informing them of where they stand (i.e. "your opinion is worthless, therefore you should not speak" -- this is SeTi outlining explicit boundaries, somewhat arrogantly), and clearly getting off on the emotional antics that pervade this place (you always conveniently intervene in conflict situations with a sarcastic comment which incites further conflict

).

**crazedrat** · 12-31-2009, 08:52 PM

haha. yeah i suppose you're right. at this point, I'm changing my type to INxP. I think I am simply Ni, if that makes sense. Ni dominant, Se dual seeking, Ej polr / creative, and Ij hidden agenda / demonstrative.. the precise application of which fluctuates given the circumstances. I do relate to you guys, and I see where you're coming from. But at the same time, there are other betas i don't relate to. And there are some gammas I really do think are.. well, like braindead cows. Others I love talking to because they get it, like FDG. So.. Yeah.

And although I use business logic fluently, I can also get highly annoyed by the presumptuousness of poor business logic. In a way which, when I think about it, rivals the alienation and powerlessness I feel when confronted by Fe at times.

**DirectorAbbie** · 12-31-2009, 08:56 PM

You're not a feeler, XII. You can go ahead and revert your signature.

**Jarno** · 01-01-2010, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Director Abbie

You're not a feeler, XII. You can go ahead and revert your signature.

agreed.

**Morcheeba** · 01-01-2010, 12:39 AM

I could see him as IEI, he is too confrontational in my opinion to be an ILI; they tend to not want to bring that kind of attention upon themselves. It could be that he is a 4 so his behavior on the forum manifests itself differently than a typical ILI. I think only a 4, from what I understand, would mislead someone into thinking they were female instead of male.

**Joy** · 01-01-2010, 07:01 AM

For as much as he seems to have had problems with me, I've never really had a problem with him. I think he's funny and even cute. And I've always thought of him as IEI.

**JuJu** · 01-01-2010, 05:54 PM

I agree with this... He's INFp.

The question is: why has it taken this long for him to realize it..?

Did you know..? 100 years ago, psychologists classified people with developmental disabilities by a scale that went:

* lowest class of human intelligence = "idiot"
* second lowest of human intelligence = "imbecile"
* third lowest class of human intelligence = "moron"

...Did you know..? By this scale, over 25% of American WWI soldiers tested as "morons." Finding this, psychologists lowered the threshold of "moron" from 'mental age of 13' to 'mental age of 11.'

*the more you know*

**Morcheeba** · 01-01-2010, 06:17 PM

I'm pretty sure that he is one of the most intuitive and intelligent members on this forum; and perhaps his confusion on self typing stems from the fact that he is fairly young; to delineate his intelligence via supposed facts you learned from history class is just petty. And, your posts are chock full of

HA imo.

**redbaron** · 01-01-2010, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Morcheeba

I'm pretty sure that he is one of the most intuitive and intelligent members on this forum; and perhaps his confusion on self typing stems from the fact that he is fairly young

I agree. I think it's much easier to type oneself and others as they get older.

**JuJu** · 01-03-2010, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Morcheeba

And, your posts are chock full of

HA imo.

Perhaps it'd be good for you to learn that each type encompasses a wide variety of personality traits. Yes, my personality is different than yours--certainly, we express ourselves differently in writing; however, this does not equate to us being different Sociotypes.

The last post you cited (your response is quoted above) was full of Ni for a Fe purpose... That said, from what I know of your ideas about Socionics from our past interaction (this is Ni in action, fyi,) I know your understanding of Socionics to be very flawed... Flawed along the lines of user Strrrng. That is, e.g. Ashton Kutcher is ENFp. It's no wonder that you think I'm ENFp--b/c Ashton Kutcher is my exact type and subtype. Fe-ENFj.

Just because I don't get along with you online doesn't mean I'm not in your quadra, or not your type.

You post about me based on preconceived notions you have from before you ever even engaged me in conversation--I find it not only childish and ignorant, but also somewhat creepy. Stalkerish.

I'm writing back now to ask you to stop that.

Although I've found that the internet is a terrible predictor of how people will interact (i.e. 'get along') in real life, I'll tell you honestly that I've met plenty of betas I don't like. (Granted most of my friends are beta, some are gamma, none are deltas and only two are alpha INTjs.) There are ignorant and annoying people of every quadra and type--even my own. This is what I think about you. That is, I can tell you're a beta, but I don't want to waste much more time talking with you.

These "you're not beta" things have arisen b/c I've called out Nick on misunderstanding Socionics... In other words, it's a few people whose motives in Sociotyping me aren't pure, (b/c of what I've said criticizing their understandings of Socionics,) and have indulged their own (various) psychological problems in responding to me on an internet forum... Also, as I wrote above, they tend to mistype ENFj as ENFp anyway--this also factors in.

That's what it is... Reality... All I can do is recognize the reality... And frankly, it's other peoples' problem--not mine--so there's nothing I'm going to do about it, other than ask you to stop, (as I asked them.)

I believe in telling people things in a straight-forward manner. Not sugar-coating them.

Lastly, you have not--and will not--convince me that I'm a different Sociotype (in your case, a "Te HA" type.) I write this because I've had direct, personal experience confirm my self-typing over and over again as correct... In light of that direct, personal experience, your words do not have the intended effect of making me reconsider, but serve only to annoy.

**crazedrat** · 01-03-2010, 01:52 AM

I also think you're a possible ENFp. You remind me of TheAssPirate.

**Wrong Way Ticket** · 01-03-2010, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by crazedratXII

I also think you're a possible ENFp. You remind me of TheAssPirate.

Is it just me or is ENFp the go-to typing when someone is an extrovert isn't clear cut typable?

**crazedrat** · 01-15-2010, 12:46 PM

I have realized I have been wrong for a long time, and that I am infact INFp-Ni. There are a few reasons I think I have been wrong...
1: I grew up in a home of emotional repression
2: I am strong with thinking, but that can be explained by Ti and being a very far end INFp-Ni
3: the intertype relations seem to match INTp. But looking at INFp, I can match those with myself in some circumstances as well. Ultimately I think the intertype relation is affected by me being very close to the INFp/INTp axis. Some ENFjs feel more like mirrors to me, others more like supervisors.. Asston feels like a supervisor, FDG feels like a mirror.. etc.
4: After reading the filatova INFp description without bias I realized many of the descriptors apply to my life. Especially if I examine myself behaviorally.. Less if I hold on to the ego I have. In that case, INTp describes me better. (On that note, I'm having a surge toward behaviorism recently)
5: I may end up explaining all this... (eventually) in a complex way using ratian socionics. (a branch of socionics which does not yet exist, but I am confident will someday). In that case, I may eventually reverse this typing .. (or actually, expand onto it so that I am both INTp and INFp in certain senses)
6: That is all

**sarinana** · 01-15-2010, 12:53 PM

yeah i thought about this...you probably don't realize yourself how emotional you sound when you are trying to explain me that I am ESE.

**crazedrat** · 01-15-2010, 12:55 PM

yeah i dont. but we can still have sex eventually since we are semi duals.

**Absurd** · 01-15-2010, 01:05 PM

Man, you're funny

**crazedrat** · 01-15-2010, 01:28 PM

wow right now it's really weird man. i'm realizing so many things about my life that i have pushed out of awareness. i'm gonna have to explain this with multiple types somehow. an ego type, an id type, things like that. i will do this eventually but right now i just want to ride the fucked up wave of realization i'm having. really depressing. just a second..

FUCKING SHIT FUCK MOTHER FUCKIN PUSSY ASS DICK SUCKIN BITCH FUCKIN DICK HEAD ASS! GOD DAMMIT YOU FILTHY PIG SLIME CUNT ASS LICK BITCH ****** PILL POPPIN BUTT PLUGGIN SACK OF SHIT!

wow that felt really good.
damn im gona have some fun with this new realization

Creepy-Cyclops · 01-15-2010, 01:48 PM

I thought about it a little after I (think) I posted on your typing thread, IEI sounds pretty good for you over ILI imho. It's all good in the hood, ha.

**thePirate** · 01-15-2010, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by crazedratXII

wow right now it's really weird man. i'm realizing so many things about my life that i have pushed out of awareness. i'm gonna have to explain this with multiple types somehow. an ego type, an id type, things like that. i will do this eventually but right now i just want to ride the fucked up wave of realization i'm having. really depressing. just a second..

FUCKING SHIT FUCK MOTHER FUCKIN PUSSY ASS DICK SUCKIN BITCH FUCKIN DICK HEAD ASS! GOD DAMMIT YOU FILTHY PIG SLIME CUNT ASS LICK BITCH ****** PILL POPPIN BUTT PLUGGIN SACK OF SHIT!

Dude, tell me about it. This was pretty much my reaction after realizing I was ENFj. Do you have delta parents too? You should definitely write up something.

Good luck with this, I dont have much(any) advice as to how to deal with it but I reckon you'll be fine.

@JohnDo, actually I have known certain IEI's to talk like that about people, I dont know why thats outside of IEI behavior? kind of a silly statement on your part

**Gilly** · 01-15-2010, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by crazedratXII

wow right now it's really weird man. i'm realizing so many things about my life that i have pushed out of awareness. i'm gonna have to explain this with multiple types somehow. an ego type, an id type, things like that. i will do this eventually but right now i just want to ride the fucked up wave of realization i'm having. really depressing. just a second..

FUCKING SHIT FUCK MOTHER FUCKIN PUSSY ASS DICK SUCKIN BITCH FUCKIN DICK HEAD ASS! GOD DAMMIT YOU FILTHY PIG SLIME CUNT ASS LICK BITCH ****** PILL POPPIN BUTT PLUGGIN SACK OF SHIT!

wow that felt really good.
damn im gona have some fun with this new realization

Catharsis. This thread is

.

Creepy-male · 01-24-2010, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by crazedratXII

wow right now it's really weird man. i'm realizing so many things about my life that i have pushed out of awareness. i'm gonna have to explain this with multiple types somehow. an ego type, an id type, things like that. i will do this eventually but right now i just want to ride the fucked up wave of realization i'm having. really depressing.

Don't feel sorry, right now I am actually beaming with glee at this post, if I could only imagine your emotional vulnerability and depressing realizations as you on the ground, I'd kick you and laugh... really I have no empathy for you, I just find it funny cause your generally a dick in my opinion and its nice to see you get displeased over something.

Now you come at me in your predictable I am a sarcastic ass response, I pretty much expect it so I know not to take what you say as serious, in fact I may not even check back to see your response because frankly we have no business to accomplish here, so whats the point in entertaining your response! Nothing... all I got to say is I am pulling for whatever things you have pushed out of your awareness to fall down on you like a ton of bricks and bury you. Then I can laugh at you while you try to dig yourself out.

So far you've been successful with posting 2 lines of ALL CAPS and I assume so far you've been successful by generally being an ass, but when that fails, oh man, it gets good for me =).

**strrrng** · 01-24-2010, 06:29 AM

Pathetic.

**crazedrat** · 01-24-2010, 07:46 AM

i think you're over-imagining how 'emotionally distressed' i am. i'm really happy that i know my type .. i also think it's sort of amusing you think your words have an emotional effect on me.
anyway,
discoblow: wtf are you doing with a 2 year old picture of me on your harddrive? fuckin hell.. Joy can you please delete all our pictures off discoblows harddrive?

**crazedrat** · 01-15-2010, 03:06 PM

it's weird im realizing now all these girls I had typed as ESFp were actually ESTp. I had divided in my mind the ESFp Fi and ESFp Ses, but actually there were just ESFp and ESTps. But ESTps are much hotter than I thought they were. I have to find one now... Actually there are two ESTps right now who I could get with maybe..
Hmm.. things are looking up.
And now I dont have to associate myself with the fucking retards I've seen in gamma quadra. That is good too.
Allie is probably ISTj though...
Hmm..

Truth is I think my ego is dissolving and like .. melting away parts of me, and now I've come closer to the true behavioral me, who was always INFp, but the ego me was more INTp. Maybe with an ISFp superid. I am going to have to explain this phenomenon with ratian socionics, definitely..

**JohnDo** · 01-15-2010, 03:37 PM

I disagree. You should post some pictures of you. My guess is C-ILI. As I can identify C-ILIs by V.I. some pictures of you would make it clear...

And now I dont have to associate myself with the fucking retards I've seen in gamma quadra. That is good too.

No IEI in this fuckin world would ever talk like this. Believe it or not...

yeah i dont. but we can still have sex eventually since we are semi duals.

You are lucky if you ever have sex. Maybe with an ice bear in Alaska

**Absurd** · 01-15-2010, 03:52 PM

Haha! This is some really funny shit!

**Bardia** · 01-15-2010, 04:21 PM

About fucking time.

**sarinana** · 01-15-2010, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by JohnDo

I disagree. You should post some pictures of you. My guess is C-ILI. As I can identify C-ILIs by V.I. some pictures of you would make it clear...

No IEI in this fuckin world would ever talk like this. Believe it or not...

You are lucky if you ever have sex. Maybe with an ice bear in Alaska

in this thread he sounds exactly like my IEI friend.
I don't know if crazedrat will feel good about this but she is a girl.
and once I stopped taking everything she says seriously she became the funniest person I have met so far.

mhm...now I wonder...how could I stand her for whole 4 years.

**Jarno** · 01-15-2010, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by crazedratXII

it's weird im realizing now all these girls I had typed as ESFp were actually ESTp. I had divided in my mind the ESFp Fi and ESFp Ses, but actually there were just ESFp and ESTps. But ESTps are much hotter than I thought they were. I have to find one now... Actually there are two ESTps right now who I could get with maybe..
Hmm.. things are looking up.
And now I dont have to associate myself with the fucking retards I've seen in gamma quadra. That is good too.
Allie is probably ISTj though...
Hmm..

Truth is I think my ego is dissolving and like .. melting away parts of me, and now I've come closer to the true behavioral me, who was always INFp, but the ego me was more INTp. Maybe with an ISFp superid. I am going to have to explain this phenomenon with ratian socionics, definitely..

I think you are paranormal or something.

**munenori2** · 01-16-2010, 09:06 AM

lol I feel like beta is amassing in numbers for some reason.

**ArchonAlarion** · 01-16-2010, 09:07 AM

ITS WHAT THEY DO >=)

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