Gilly's Type

[Gilly]

Please talk about me so I can ignore you and continue to be utterly confused.

[Kim]

Only an EIE can be this much of an attention whore.

[strrrng]

sigh. that's why there's stickam

[717495]

EIE because niffweed thinks it. Plus, you know I don't really see ILE or IEE. I doubt you're Ne dominant, I think that suggestion sucks balls. No offense, gays. There're too many people who think they're ILE, like Jake or whats his face. Non extroverts. Just saying that so you know what an ILE isn't, and know that it's not in your blood, I don't think. I think you're trippin' dawg. IEI, never thought no, but you seem like you would be overall more Fe in real life.

[ArchonAlarion]

Only an EIE can be this much of an attention whore.

Internal object dynamics leading and internal field dynamics creative, although sounding sophisticated and abstract, is actually just a term for attention whore.

Socionics.

[Khola aka Bee]

ILE, durr. I've been saying this for years.

[JuJu]

You're EIE, G.

Do you want evidence..? Vi by demeanor/gaze? Examples of each of the IM elements you're exhibiting..? Comparable celebrities..?

The posters who say anything other than beta NF haven't learned real Socionics yet.

polikujm -- there's still a trend at this forum -- even after years -- of Betas/Gammas thinking that they're ENTp... (Also, as I bet you've noticed, ISTjs almost invariably think that they're ISTp.) I'm not sure whether it has to do with the type descriptions of ENTps being so damn rosy/inability to understand the outward manifestations of IM elements... Some combination?

Regardless, it's gotten people stuck on erroneous Socionics types for years... It happened to me years ago, and it's currently happening to many people here.

I have faith that the English-speaking world's Socionics will improve, however, as many of the old, mistyped Socionics forum denizens (many of whom had a poor understanding) move on... The forum's general understanding appears to be improving, (albeit slightly and slowly.)

[ArchonAlarion]

shut up.

[JuJu]

shut up.

You just don't want to face it... I didn't either when I'd typed myself incorrectly.

[ArchonAlarion]

I just can't handle the truth.

[JuJu]

I just can't handle the truth.

Fair.

[Park]

Please talk about me so I can ignore you and continue to be utterly confused.

As you can see, no one cares any more. Find your self a new audience, maestro.

[Gilly]

I just can't handle the truth.

Well, you've certainly given everyone here reason to think so. Pacing around, going for walks to cool down, refusing to consider alternate viewpoints until every angle has been analyzed...sound familiar?

[Gilly]

You're EIE, G.

Do you want evidence..? Vi by demeanor/gaze? Examples of each of the IM elements you're exhibiting..? Comparable celebrities..?

Yes to all of the above

The posters who say anything other than beta NF haven't learned real Socionics yet.

That's what I thought too.

[strrrng]

The posters who say anything other than beta NF haven't learned real Socionics yet.

The only people who haven't learned socionics, are the ones who go around preaching to others without considering any other viewpoint as accurate unless it aligns with their dogmatic doctrines. Cut your political bullshit, it's transparent.

That's what I thought too.

You're seriously gratifying this? Jesus Christ.

[ArchonAlarion]

Well, you've certainly given everyone here reason to think so. Pacing around, going for walks to cool down, refusing to consider alternate viewpoints until every angle has been analyzed...sound familiar?

Well I do the first two, but I always consider alternate viewpoints, obsessively in fact.

[strrrng]

I find Jake's compulsive walking to be rather endearing.

[Gilly]

You're seriously gratifying this? Jesus Christ.

I think you're reading it the wrong way; all subtleties in tense were intended.

[strrrng]

I think you're reading it the wrong way; all subtleties in tense were intended.

I see.

[Gilly]

Well I do the first two, but I always consider alternate viewpoints, obsessively in fact.

Consider as in briefly entertain and quickly dismiss based on some Ti dogma? Yes. Consider as in attempt to internalize and actually comprehend dissonance between perceived views and those of others', and actually give them due consideration?

[strrrng]

Nah, Jake is pretty open-minded IMO. The dogma you're witnessing is more of a byproduct of the frenetic need to come to understandings on things, and the insecurity brought about by the prospect of abandoning certain viewpoints. It's not just arrogant adherence for the sake of some aristocratic sense of gratification.

[Gilly]

I've never thought of Jake as aristocratic in any way; he's just mentally a teenager.

[strrrng]

Which is why labeling him as dogmatic is extremely exaggerated.

[ArchonAlarion]

Consider as in briefly entertain and quickly dismiss based on some Ti dogma? Yes. Consider as in attempt to internalize and actually comprehend dissonance between perceived views and those of others', and actually give them due consideration?

This can be true, but I know when I do it and it makes me feel stressed, so I don't.

That's where the anxiety comes from. Not being certain about things mentally, and therefore needing to examine and analyze ALL beliefs to make sure I haven't missed anything. I keep a mental log of everyone's positions on everything lol.

[JuJu]

The only people who haven't learned socionics, are the ones who go around preaching to others without considering any other viewpoint as accurate unless it aligns with their dogmatic doctrines. Cut your political bullshit, it's transparent.

LOL... Don't let it ruin your night... It's just what I believe.

P.S. I like you, you know... There's no reason for us to argue either--we're very far off in terms of what each other thinks of as "Socionics." I've found that the original theory works well--that's Socionics to me... Thus when I say "haven't learned Socionics," I'm referring to the original theory... You consider SOcionics something else--something you've refined with Steve, Ashton, ARchon Al etc. That's fine... It's not what I'm talking about when I refer to Socionics... I don't doubt that he's ENTp in your Socionics. You see what I mean?

[CheGuevara]

I really don't understand how someone can think he might be ILE or EIE. These two types have almost nothing in common.

- Most ILEs are brilliant thinkers, most EIEs are retarded concerning logics.
- Most ILEs see interesting possibilities, most EIEs see what might be wrong.
- Most ILEs ignore ranks and titles, most EIEs believe in leaders and leadershp.

Gilly is obviously EIE. Probably creative subtype.

[ArchonAlarion]

[CheGuevara]

ArchonAlarion still believes he is ILE and even tries to convince Gilly that he is also ILE.

Archon is ILI.
Gilly is EIE.

If one of them was in my Alpha Quadra I would leave it and try to become a Gamma so that I am as far away from them as possible.

[ArchonAlarion]

lol at Gilly supervising me.

[somavision]

I really don't understand how someone can think he might be ILE or EIE. These two types have almost nothing in common.

- Most ILEs are brilliant thinkers, most EIEs are retarded concerning logics.
- Most ILEs see interesting possibilities, most EIEs see what might be wrong.
- Most ILEs ignore ranks and titles, most EIEs believe in leaders and leadershp.

Gilly is obviously EIE. Probably creative subtype.

This is an interesting way of describing the difference between the two types. Is it from Gulenko's descriptions?

[strrrng]

LOL... Don't let it ruin your night... It's just what I believe.

P.S. I like you, you know... There's no reason for us to argue either--we're very far off in terms of what each other thinks of as "Socionics." I've found that the original theory works well--that's Socionics to me... Thus when I say "haven't learned Socionics," I'm referring to the original theory... You consider SOcionics something else--something you've refined with Steve, Ashton, ARchon Al etc. That's fine... It's not what I'm talking about when I refer to Socionics... I don't doubt that he's ENTp in your Socionics. You see what I mean?

I see that you're referring to some vague divide in our ideas to deflect the criticism directed at your manners of expression.

[CheGuevara]

This is an interesting way of describing the difference between the two types. Is it from Gulenko's descriptions?

Functional analysis. ()

- ILEs have strong , EIEs have weak .
- implies generating interesting ideas, implies looking for fault
- implies free thinking, implies believing in leadership

But you can also compare Gulenko's description and will come to the same conclusions, of course.

Nevertheless, there are Te-ILEs who like the concept of leadership and there are Ni-EIEs who don't like that at all.

Peple who don't use subtypes will never really be able to make use of socionics...

[electric sheep]

lol @ che being a harmonizing LII. All he's done is stir up shit on this forum. What's harmonizing about that?

[somavision]

Functional analysis. ()

- ILEs have strong , EIEs have weak .
- implies generating interesting ideas, implies looking for fault
- implies free thinking, implies believing in leadership

But you can also compare Gulenko's description and will come to the same conclusions, of course.

Nevertheless, there are Te-ILEs who like the concept of leadership and there are Ni-EIEs who don't like that at all.

Peple who don't use subtypes will never really be able to make use of socionics...

I don't think describing EIE's as logically retarded can be taken from any type description or from real life.

If you want to be taken seriously, or if you don't want to appear to be a complete and utter idiot, choose your words more carefully. If your choice of language is filled with exaggerations and inaccuracies, people will rightly disregard you, as I am doing.

Oh and lose the condescending attitude and get your facts straight before being preachy.

And why is Ti associated with free thinking whilst Fe leadership, they are complementary elements?

Apart from that... fair enough.

[electric sheep]

Edit: Actually just to clarify... why does Fe look for leader ship and not Ti. do they not operate best as a pair?

Indeed. There's nothing in the functions about one being more of a leader than the other. Maybe Fe needs guidance from Ti, but that speaks nothing about leadership. Ti needs guidance from Fe too.

[CheGuevara]

I don't think describing EIE's as logically retarded can be taken from any type description or from real life.

is their suggestive function so I call them logically retarded. You can call me ethically retarded if you like. Every type is retarded in a way. That's one of the core concepts of socionics, the order of functions. I'm not a native speaker btw so my expressions may seem a bit inadequate sometimes. Or maybe it's just because of this thread that I use expressions like that... ( )

If you want to be taken seriously, or if you don't want to appear to be a complete and utter idiot, choose your words more carefully. If your choice of language is filled with exaggerations and inaccuracies, people will rightly disregard you, as I am doing.

Maybe you missed something. Gilly called me a schmuck, an idiot and a fuckstick more than one time. Do you think I should take him seriously (especially in this thread ) ?

If I had called you something like that I would understand that you don't take me seriously, of course.

Oh and lose the condescending attitude and get your facts straight before being preachy.

I'm not preachy at all because being preachy is -related.

And why is Ti associated with free thinking whilst Fe leadership, they are complementary elements?

Sorry, but if you don't know that you certainly haven't read Jung's "Psychological types" carefully. You really should do that (but don't think I'm condescending, please ).

[somavision]

Arctures, you have go to be the most retarded person I've ever met, like you are really really stupid.

Is he actually a joke account then?

Che are you actually a joke account.

If not,

Yes I have seen the stuff Gilly wrote about you. And at least he was upfront enough to call YOU whatever he was calling you, rather than indirect type sniping.

I havn't properly studied Jungs Functions (I have had a bit of a read though), as Socionics and Jungian typogology are not the same thing.

Regarding any other responses you had... my brain cannot handle reading them. Actually good point about the retard thing, not a great choice of wording though as retarted is a word that is not really in fashion and when it was, I believe it was used mainly to describe those with learning difficulties.


Having Fe as their suggestive function LII Harmonising types, tend to preach clumsily.

[CheGuevara]

Is he actually a joke account then?
Che are you actually a joke account.

No.

Yes I have seen the stuff Gilly wrote about you. And at least he was upfront enough to call YOU whatever he was calling you, rather than indirect type sniping.

I'm a polite person. Maybe that's one of my faults. Furthermore, if I tell Gilly what I really think about him I might be banned. So I confine myself to functional analysis

I havn't properly studied Jungs Functions (I have had a bit of a read though), as Socionics and Jungian typogology are not the same thing.

Not quite. But free thinking is -related and believing in the concept of leadership is -related, of course. In my opinion the -description on wikisocion is inaccurate but you should read the EIE and ESE descriptions on socionics.com. For wikisocion says:

Types that value Ti naturally question the consistency of beliefs that are taken for granted in everyday life.

Regarding any other responses you had... my brain cannot handle reading them.

What's your type?

If you are a joke account. Genius.

Maybe I'm a genius but certainly no joke account...

[somavision]

I've read the Socionics.com descriptions. I have read many descriptions.
You seem to have some knowledge and I'm sure you have an understainding of sorts when it comes to typing. you were certainly only one dichotomy out when VI'ing my friend and his girlfriend... well I don't think you are correct but I will have to look at this.

I would sugest though that you stop trying so hard to prove yourself, relax, have some respect for the experiences, knowledge and understanding of the other posters here.
Some are not so great (like myself), but others really do know what they are talking about.
And you have made many statements that have frankly made you look stupid.
I can and wil find them if you want.
There are Russian sites that are excellent resources. for example
http://www.socioniko.net/en/1.1.types/index.html
many people here have spent many years studying, have read every description going, know all about the functions and relations from every typology going. If you want to be respected you will have to earn that respect and stop acting like a precocious twerp.
Your remarks about other peoples abilites are frequently if not constantly condescending.
i.e. read your threads about various misconceptions etc. and they really did make you look like a fool
I think it's far too soon to be talking about you being a genius. Start with trying not being an idiot and build on that.
I self type as IEE.

Just to stick to topic. I agree Gilly seems EIE, naturally too charming for ILE doesn't have that Alpha NT clumsiness.

p.s. this is a rewritten post

[strrrng]

That's one of the core concepts of socionics, the order of functions.

You know, there aren't many people on this forum who are useless enough to inspire hope at the prospect of their being sacrificed for Ashton's return.

I'm a polite person. Maybe that's one of my faults. Furthermore, if I tell Gilly what I really think about him I might be banned. So I confine myself to functional analysis

You'd have a greater chance of staying here, if you demonstrated genuine directness in your personal criticisms – especially in response to those made about you. Guess it must be the "Fe retardation."

Maybe I'm a genius but certainly no joke account...

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised. So, the question becomes: what kind of person makes a joke account to present themselves as foolishly robotic and blindly arrogant?