Lady Gaga

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Lady Gaga is in my opinion a SEE, she speaks like one of them, she looks like a gamma woman and most surely has and in her.

Her music is crap.

[Marie84]

Lady Gaga is in my opinion a SEE, she speaks like one of them, she looks like a gamma woman and most surely has and in her.

Her music is crap.

I think SEE too

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I think that Lady Gaga is from a quadra that lacks and . She doesn't seem herself to be an intuitive type, what in my opinion, narrows the possibilities to beta and gamma sensory types. Typing her as a beta pragmatist (ST) is really unlikely to be accurate. She can't be an intuitive type, since her ego doesn't seem to speak from a really mental and intellectual layer, she surely doesn't seem to speak from an intellective prerogative. In my opinion, that of course can be wrong, she has to be a gamma SF. Narrowing to ESI and SEE possibilities, I think the more likely choice would be SEE. Look at these videos and compare her to Varg Vikernes, an IEI and to Scarlett Jahansson, a SEI, both showing a lot of on the videos. Lady Gaga, from the few videos I've seen, - due the great dislike I have to her music - appears to base a lot of what she says and expresses on , like talking about the sentimental perspective she has as an individual about facts from her past and present life.

compare:







Can anyone else here see the symbiosis between Paris Hilton and Lady Gaga on this video? They seem somewhat alike.





I've never watched anything by Lady Gaga before, neither I have ever listened to a full track by her, but watching to these few videos I see that she is much worse than what I thought.

[marooned]

I personally have little issue with the SEE suggestion... I still see her as IEI (a type that is obviously just like SEE), but I guess what I mean is that SEE isn't a bad suggestion imo. I would see anything in Alpha or Delta as completely, ridiculously unlikely though. I have a horrible feeling I won't bother watching anything else though so my IEI impression may remain frozen as is. I can see why SEE is being suggested and that was why I asked earlier "where's the rest of this argument?" because I wanted the SEE vs. Beta NF debate to continue. (Although I thought Scarlett Johansson was SEE, so probably that probably doesn't help.)

Anyway when I first saw some of Gaga's music videos I thought she had strong Se and was wondering about LSI. But then in interviews she seemed way more personable and even silly (and not in an LSI-ish way), and I started getting an Fe creative impression (which I can't explain exactly) and thinking that probably she's acting more in her videos than she actually is. I also think that dramatism is a huge focus of hers and I do associate it with Fe. All that said I do see the similarities between her and Hilton (and I think Hilton probably is Gamma SF) and agree that she does the sort of deadpan emotionless talking that at least people like Hilton go into. Her videos though seem to have a Beta flare to me. (One thing about Beta NFs is that they are not always outwardly emo. When the Ni program is running it can be pretty deadpan itself.)

Also I got the impression from her videos of interests in highly dramatic and thrilling love relationships for the sake of drama more than anything else. It's about if it's exciting or thrilling enough, passionate enough, violently exciting enough, etc. This seems more Beta to me, and not really that Gamma. It seems Fe>Fi. I also see her absurdism as rather Beta... I think she's parodying a lot of pop culture stuff, but blah, once again I don't know how to say how, but I feel it's a rather Beta style of doing it.

And there are my overly simplistic thoughts on this matter.

[Morcheeba]

I think it's safe to say that satan worshippers don't have types

[reclaimpower]

I think it's safe to say that satan worshippers don't have types

Damn.

[Marie84]

I personally have little issue with the SEE suggestion... I still see her as IEI (a type that is obviously just like SEE), but I guess what I mean is that SEE isn't a bad suggestion imo. I would see anything in Alpha or Delta as completely, ridiculously unlikely though. I have a horrible feeling I won't bother watching anything else though so my IEI impression may remain frozen as is. I can see why SEE is being suggested and that was why I asked earlier "where's the rest of this argument?" because I wanted the SEE vs. Beta NF debate to continue. (Although I thought Scarlett Johansson was SEE, so probably that probably doesn't help.)

Anyway when I first saw some of Gaga's music videos I thought she had strong Se and was wondering about LSI. But then in interviews she seemed way more personable and even silly (and not in an LSI-ish way), and I started getting an Fe creative impression (which I can't explain exactly) and thinking that probably she's acting more in her videos than she actually is. I also think that dramatism is a huge focus of hers and I do associate it with Fe. All that said I do see the similarities between her and Hilton (and I think Hilton probably is Gamma SF) and agree that she does the sort of deadpan emotionless talking that at least people like Hilton go into. Her videos though seem to have a Beta flare to me. (One thing about Beta NFs is that they are not always outwardly emo. When the Ni program is running it can be pretty deadpan itself.)

Also I got the impression from her videos of interests in highly dramatic and thrilling love relationships for the sake of drama more than anything else. It's about if it's exciting or thrilling enough, passionate enough, violently exciting enough, etc. This seems more Beta to me, and not really that Gamma. It seems Fe>Fi. I also see her absurdism as rather Beta... I think she's parodying a lot of pop culture stuff, but blah, once again I don't know how to say how, but I feel it's a rather Beta style of doing it.

And there are my overly simplistic thoughts on this matter.

I see what you mean but keeping in mind that SEE's are skilled at Fe it's not rare to see them use it to their benefit.
Kylie Minogue, for instance, has been typed by some people as an IEE (which I think is likely) and she tends to wear a lot of flamboyant outfits and put on dramatic performances, although not to the same intensity as Gaga, but I think that's more so due to Ne/Si vs Se/Ni

[Mattie]

I've been watching her Telephone video over and over lately I'm not really into celebrity typing, but an creative type seems the most likely.

[marooned]

Grrr, she does seem rather SEE in the telephone interview.

[discojoe]

She's ESE.

[discojoe]

Oh. Have fun.

lmao

na na na na na no.

Ok, watching interviews now I am not sure. I personally think she VIs ESE, but her actual behavior is so bizarre.

[Ave]

Shes Fe- ENFj, close to a split subtype. Im just not seeing SEE.

[Capitalist Pig]

I have to admit, Lady Gaga gives me a hard-on.

I've been watching her Telephone video over and over lately

The "clean" or explicit version?

[Mediator Kam]

I liked her until she became the biggest whore imaginable, which was pretty much the Telephone video onwards.

[MatthewZ]

My vote's for SEE.

[Crispy]

I can see either EIE or SEE. She acts more EIE and looks (VI) more SEE.

[MatthewZ]

Could someone direct me to the -dom I'm apparently missing?

[Ave]

Could someone direct me to the -dom I'm apparently missing?

Its actually rather superficial. Its just an intuitive thing that i cant put words on. But Id say lets look at the way she bahaves; theatrically and she likes to be a limelight whore, which is unrelated to , if you beleieve Gulenko's statment that ESTps do not like to be the center of attention and prefer to remain in the wings.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

She's mediocre as an artist IMO. A lot of the gays love her, and well 'poker face' is catchy but it didn't exactly rock my world either. I think as a person though, she seems really cool. She just did work for homeless gay teens. (I realized I already replied to this thread but well....)

She just does narcissistic attention-grabbing things that aren't creative, they're just like OMG THERE'S A PINEAPPLE ON MY HEAD! You can't say you're an artist just by originality alone. (introverted snob look)

[neverthesame]

I presume IEE but I'm not entirely sure.

[somethingsomething]

Here's her donig something unusual even for her and something I don't like : Catwalk Queen: Lady Gaga reveals her masculine side for Vogue Hommes Japan

[Sol]

ENTP

[Kun]

She's so obviously an INFP

[Gilly]

Its actually rather superficial. Its just an intuitive thing that i cant put words on. But Id say lets look at the way she bahaves; theatrically and she likes to be a limelight whore, which is unrelated to , if you beleieve Gulenko's statment that ESTps do not like to be the center of attention and prefer to remain in the wings.

Right, so there are no SLEs who are E3s or celebrities...

[Ave]

Right, so there are no SLEs who are E3s or celebrities...

It was Gulenko's statement, not mine.

Besides your statement is very vague.

[Gilly]

It was Gulenko's statement, not mine.

Well then I definitely disagree with Gulenko.

Would you cite his opinion if you didn't think it was relevant?

Besides your statement is very vague.

No, my rhetorical question was meant to demonstrate that there are OBVIOUSLY SLEs out there who enjoy attention and the limelight. In fact I would assume that quite a few of them do, being extroverts, Se dominant and Fe seeking.

[Gilly]

That being said I do agree that it's highly unlikely that Gaga is SLE.

[Ave]

Well then I definitely disagree with Gulenko.

Would you cite his opinion if you didn't think it was relevant?



No, my rhetorical question was meant to demonstrate that there are OBVIOUSLY SLEs out there who enjoy attention and the limelight. In fact I would assume that quite a few of them do, being extroverts, Se dominant and Fe seeking.

Yeah I gotcha. Madonna is an example of SLE you describe. You could say there are SEEs who do too but I mean does Britney, despite enjoying the limelight get caught up in theatrics like beta nfs are described doing?

[Gilly]

Personally I don't believe Brittany Spears to be SEE, so...I can't answer that question. Though there are certainly SEEs who do like the limelight, no matter what Ashton would say (cue logically diplomatic response)

Personally I think Gaga is IEI>EIE>SEI, which one I'm not entirely positive. But she is obviously some Fe type, and I am inclined to Se/Ni>Si/Ne.

[Ave]

But she is obviously some Fe type, and I am inclined to Se/Ni>Si/Ne.

Im inclined to agree.

[krieger]

She's INFp as far as I'm concerned. No Se whatsoever in her interview behavior and not enough detectable Fe to warrant an ExFj typing.

[Exodus]

Could someone direct me to the -dom I'm apparently missing?

Word. She actually uses a lot (consider the whole gay community thing). Also very highly image and status conscious. SEE. I might post a more detailed analysis of some interviews if I feel like it.

[Jarno]

Word. She actually uses a lot (consider the whole gay community thing). Also very highly image and status conscious. SEE. I might post a more detailed analysis of some interviews if I feel like it.

I think SEE too. I'm not confident about it though.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Her music could use more substance. All she talks about is acting like some faggy hollywood whore. Something flashy that looks nice but wheres the relateability?

I like her more sad music (well sad for lady gaga) about heartbreak and real love. My favorite song of hers is this one:

[UDP]

Tht's curious BD, a lot of young women I know think there is so much power and motivation in it.

I guess I'm more thinking how you do but I don't realyl know what to make of her.

Sometimes I think it's a matter of opinion, like, do you think this piece of artwork is significant or interesting or not, and if you do it's just because you want to be favorable of it. IDK.

[eSDe]

MEGA SEE

[Jinxi]

ENFp.

[Exodus]

I kind of agree with the SEE typing now.

[Beautiful sky]

Word. She actually uses a lot (consider the whole gay community thing). Also very highly image and status conscious. SEE. I might post a more detailed analysis of some interviews if I feel like it.

I thought, on occasion I saw Ne in her, but I think it was just a role function thing; I type her SEE now that I've had a chance to watch more videos.

[jason_m]

Let's assume for a second that she's Se-leading...

Please find moments in the video when she says anything in a similar category to these comments:

No, stop! Stop it now!
Stop bullshitting.
I'm just messing with you.
Just sit down!
Oh shut up, man! (in jest)
Don't even start!
I have to take a lot of crap.
Don't cry over spilled milk.
They cornered me