INFj's make up less then 1 percent of the total human population, I am proof of one and so are my three latest friends, and we can tell you that we don't use profanity except in one place...really.Originally Posted by Mariella
This is part of a moral system, an idealistic structure of value of relationships and people above words that hurt or harm...why can't people understand this?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Why do you assume that?
LOL, no you aren't.
Based on the typings I've seen from you, I feel no confidence in this.
Even if you were right about these typings, you cant' extrapolate from a few people an assumption about minor details of every other person of that type.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
The bedroom or the divorce court?
[quote=Maritsa33;626012]Huh? Why do you assume "N is a rare genetic tendency" and no, everyone does not "know" that (the word you're looking for is "believe" btw), and where does this other thing come from?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I was talking about the location that you would use profanity..
There are a whole slew of assumptions behind this. That type is genetic, that it's genetic in that way (S vs N, one gene each, S being dominant, etc.), that it's entirely genetic with no other influences.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
That's operating under a number of unprovable assumptions. Namely, that N and S are largely or completely determined by genetics, that they are controlled at a single gene location, and there is an equal distribution of each gene in the world's population. (although, as you correctly concluded would be true IF your assumptions were valid, the two would not have equal expression)
Furthermore, even if all of your assumptions were true, it would be fallacious to state "for two S types, who get married, to have an N type baby, someone in either side of their ancestry must be N." Put simply, such a statement would imply that the first N-type person had an N-type ancestor, but that contradicts the given that such a person was the first N, and therefore cannot be true.
My eyes are going to roll out of my head.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
new page: don't forget to tell us what your MBTI Type is.
I'm trying to figure out if MBTI would actually say I'm ENTJ as opposed to ESTJ.
My ESE/SEI grandparents have 8 kids, about half of whom seem to be Ns.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
VI only, remember N's have a vision deal.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You're ESTj
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
lol, yeah.
You need to get over this VI thing and look at people's personalities a bit when trying to figure out their personality type.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
That's correct.
I'm curious as to how MBTI works and what it would call me.
I think she meant deal as in bargain at the N Store.
Did you actually ask your mom if you were adopted because it didn't seem like the types worked out? Like you would assume you were adopted and lied to about that before you'd consider your typings were wrong and/or that your system is flawed?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
The problem with your method of determining types is you can't determine type that way, because there are specific things with each type that people miss if they don't know what to ask or to look for; that's been the very same case here with typing people based on a paragraph of question and answer. Right?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Of course I asked; but it seems that quadra type effects personality type outcome too, there's just so much to study, I think it would be best to wait and see if the human genome can target the specific gene sequence that ties morphology with personality type/traits.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
IMO the biggest fault in Socionics is how difficult it is to determine someone's type. But the fact that it is difficult to do it one way, and easy another, doens't make the easy way more accurate, or accurate at all. Those two issues are not related to each other.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
So the possibility you having people typed wrong and/or your system being flawed are not even on your radar?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Nope, VI is very accurate.
Join me in this thread as an example...
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...d-stepmom.html
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You have no interest in such a thing anyway, but trust those who say they are your dual, when they are not.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa, for the love of God (assuming you believe in a deity), have a bit of an open mind for what people are telling you... The problem is not so much your conviction, it's that you don't offer any reasoning behind your beliefs that can guide other people into what you believe in. You show a John the Baptist complex, coming here and just preaching as if it's your God-given right, and you don't care about guiding people whatsoever to try and understand you.
No, thanks.
Thank you for the moral support.
You are right that my apology doesn't mean I think she's right. In fact, I stand by the substance of what I said, and consider her not only wrong on multiple counts and in multiple ways, I also consider her an unkind, manipulative, and (at least intellectually) dishonest person. However, none of that changes that how I behaved was beneath my standards, and I wanted to keep my apology clean and without qualifiers. Because regardless of how she (or other people) behave, I still need to be good myself. I guess it's a personal integrity thing.
As for what she thinks - she's shown a remarkable ability to filter incoming information to fit her own predetermined opinions. Basically, she only hears what she wants to hear. So *shrug*, based on my own interactions with her as well as observing her interactions with others, I don't think anything that I do or don't say will actually change much with regard to how or what she thinks.
INFJ - high in I and N, low in F and J, as per a test I took a week or so ago at a friend's behest.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
OH, I think you're going to see my ugly side come out now. YOU ARE NOT INFJ AND CAN'T BE SO GET OVER YOUR SELF.
We, INFj's never, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, claim each other to be dishonest; you word twisting, lying, scound.
You can use emotional manipulation however so you would like it sister, but you will only hurt yourself in the process. You can type yourself as a manipulative person.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Mine is ENFP. Husband's is ISTP, although the P and J were pretty close.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
lmao!!! Please...
ROFL! This is classic! First, we should all put your first sentence in our signatures so you can read it every day, only directed at yourself. And the second sentence, where you say INFjs never call anyone dishonest, and then immediately call her dishonest, is just comedic gold. Thanks.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Nah, I think her logic is that since I'm not (I can't possibly be) INFj, it's ok to call me names like liar and to try to hurt me, etc. It's only if I were INFj that it wouldn't be ok.
Anyway, I've been meaning to ask - how are your girls?
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
She is lying about her type and she called me dishonest, with no proof of it...that is one ugly button of mine.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Read this it will do you a world of good "He feels much more confident and therefore has a clear conscience, only in the field of manipulating people." ESFP
You called me dishonest, you don't know the first thing about INFj's.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Aww, thanks! They're great. The baby has started walking! She's 13 months.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Hmm maybe you are ESI. That sounds to me like something an ESI would say. "How dare you doubt my integrity!" Sounds like my ESI brother.
Anyway, even if she weren't EII, which I truly believe she is, why would you assume she's lying about it? "Lying" indicates intentional deception rather than just being mistaken. Why do you assume that intent?
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
EII value integrity very highly.
I don't lie. PERIOD.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I have quite a few friends with first children around that age. It's fun because even though a lot of them now live far away I can still watch the babies grow via Facebook, haha. Though it's not the same as being able to hold and interact with them. Is baby talking much yet?
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
As far as MBTI goes
I seem to be increasingly E (I was borderline in the past, and now towards 70%E)
Always heavily lopsided on T
I have and still remain to be somewhat in the middle about N/S. That is confusing me somewhat, as far as MBTI goes.
J P is more J.
I wanted to give MBTI a go through one more time, but I guess I just keep finding why I don't really like it and socionics is 'better'.
She says a few words. The older one was talking more at this age. But she knows "mama" and "dada" and "kitty" and "egg" and "cracker" and "sissy" and "yum" hmm I think she knows a few more but I can't think of them. Oh, "hi" and "up". Maybe that's it? She understands a lot more than she can say.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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