SLI/ISTp of enneagram type 4

**Park** · 03-14-2009, 05:56 AM

This is what we have so far:

Originally Posted by Winterpark

Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion

yeah SEI's can definitely be 4's

How about SLIs?

Originally Posted by Brilliand

Originally Posted by Winterpark

How about SLIs?

Hmm... different, but not socially so; perhaps different in work practices?

I think the SEI 4 might be related to

DS, but there may be a difference between the SEI's +Ne and the SLI's -Ne... as in the SLI wouldn't be insecure about being different, but just know himself to be different (and be insecure instead about what that entails).

All guesswork, of course; does any of that resonate with you?

Originally Posted by Winterpark

Originally Posted by Brilliand

All guesswork, of course; does any of that resonate with you?

Yes, well, that last sentence does. But could you expand?

Originally Posted by Brilliand

Originally Posted by Winterpark

Yes, well, that last sentence does. But could you expand?

Originally Posted by Brilliand

as in the SLI wouldn't be insecure about being different, but just know himself to be different (and be insecure instead about what that entails).

A Delta's abstract Ne would be more final than an Alpha's... in the sense of its decisions not being disturbed by anything else. If anything, it would disturb

. So I suppose your being different might create insecurities in your understanding of people/relationships (as opposed to Alpha's insecurity about the difference itself as it relates to social life).

Originally Posted by Winterpark

Thanks Brilliand.

I'm assuming you're not denying the possibility of an SLI being a 4, like many others would.

Originally Posted by Brilliand

If anything, it would disturb

.

What would disturb

? Or did you mean to say that it ("Delta's abstract Ne") could be disturbed by

?

Originally Posted by Brilliand

So I suppose your being different might create insecurities in your understanding of people/relationships (as opposed to Alpha's insecurity about the difference itself as it relates to social life).

What I get from this is that a Delta (an SLI) wouldn't care about not fitting social norms (which would be an Fe/Ti concern?) and therefore will not regard their difference as a problem or something that needs to be fixed or feel bad about it, but instead, the SLI 4 will focus on getting people to see & accept them for who & what they are and can become insecure about their ability to maintain stable interpersonal contact and about their difference affecting this ability negatively. <-- Fi HA insecurities?

Originally Posted by Brilliand

Originally Posted by Winterpark

I'm assuming you're not denying the possibility of an SLI being a 4, like many others would.

I don't think I know enough about the Enneagram to make such a claim.

Originally Posted by Winterpark

What would disturb

? Or did you mean to say that it ("Delta's abstract Ne") could be disturbed by

?

In Alpha, Ne cycles into Fe. In Delta, Fi cycles into Ne. So Alpha Ne is to Alpha Fe as Delta Fi is to Delta Ne. If the Ne is insecure in Alpha due to the Fe -> the Fi is insecure in Delta due to the Ne.

Originally Posted by Winterpark

What I get from this is that a Delta (an SLI) wouldn't care about not fitting social norms (which would be an Fe/Ti concern?) and therefore will not regard their difference as a problem or something that needs to be fixed or feel bad about it, but instead, the SLI 4 will focus on getting people to see & accept them for who & what they are and can become insecure about their ability to maintain stable interpersonal contact and about their difference affecting this ability negatively. <-- Fi HA insecurities?

That fits. But from the angle I'm taking here, I'd expect that to be more related to Delta ST than to Fi HA (i.e. it would apply more to ESTjs than to INTps). Probably the INTps would not see the need to be different.

**Park** · 03-14-2009, 05:56 AM

Discuss.

**Mediator Kam** · 03-14-2009, 06:06 AM

I am shocked it is even suggested.

**ArchonAlarion** · 03-15-2009, 05:04 PM

It is very hard to see, but I will never discount a possibility.

I think they'd have to be 4w5 or 5w4 however.

Creepy-male · 03-15-2009, 05:10 PM

fwiw I know a 5w4 SLI.

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion

I think they'd have to be 4w5 or 5w4 however.

I am thinking the same.

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Salawa

I would be surprised.

Why?

Originally Posted by Kamajama

I am shocked it is even suggested.

Why?

Creepy-male · 03-15-2009, 05:47 PM

"Absolutely not! I am not a 5. I am a 9. Now stop trying to get me to talk to people."

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gulanzon

fwiw I know a 5w4 SLI.

How certain are you of his/her enneagram type? How certain are you of his/her socionics type? How well do you know him/her?

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Gulanzon

"Absolutely not! I am not a 5. I am a 9. Now stop trying to get me to talk to people."

What does this have to do with anything? What is your point?

Creepy-male · 03-15-2009, 05:59 PM

I just note that several Fives I know seem to fend off social interactions. Sorry, random silly interlude :x

Certain of his socionics type: SLI. He's my BFFFL. Enneagram I'm unsure of, but he makes me think of a Five. Oh, and another SLI too. And another, but she's a Two. So maybe it's Fe PoLR and nothing to do with being a 5.

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 07:35 PM

What the fuck is "BFFFL"?

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Allie

Winterpark, are you considering E4 for yourself?

Yes, I am.

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Allie

What aspects of E4 do you relate to, or make you consider it a possibility?

Most aspects, and the fact that I can't really identify (that strongly) with any other E-type except 5. But I identify with 4 as much as I identify with 5, if not more. Still, neither one of them fits 100% or like my socio-type does, but if I had to have an e-type it would probably be 4w5 or 5 with a very heavy 4 wing. (and sp/sx of course)

Fwiw, I doubt you're a four.

Why?

**Park** · 03-15-2009, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Allie

I'm asking what you relate to. Now, “do you relate?” and/or “how much?”. Anything in particular that makes you think you're a four?

These questions tire me. But I'm extremely tired atm to begin with. Plus I've discussed this with someone else just recently and the thought of having to go over the same things again tires me.

And thanks for the links. I've already seen/read every single one of them. =) The "www.enneagram.com" videos totally suck though, very bad representation of the types. The "enneagramworldwide" ones are much much better...