Discussion on Empowering Si/Ni

[krieger]

Continuation from this thread: http://the16types.info/vbulletin/sho...t=3739&page=34

EJ-Ni types are extremely irresponsible because in their world view it's the other person who carries the risks, the aggressor.

I take it you're saying that because Ej-Ni is Empowering, while the Se of the Ej's dual is Limiting...

I'm always a bit puzzled by how Creating Ni (or Si) is Empowering... It seems to me that it has something to do with using a certain trick without fully understanding how it works behind the screens despite knowing that it is pretty complicated. A kind of behavior that makes people go "do you actually know what you're doing?" to which the answer is "no, exciting isn't it?"... Us Ij's ignore the kind of information involved until we feel we properly understand it, but Ej's have a less restrictive attitude towards it.

Anyway, not meaning to hijack the thread. Keep up the good writing.

I take it you're saying that because Ej-Ni is Empowering, while the Se of the Ej's dual is Limiting...

I'm always a bit puzzled by how Creating Ni (or Si) is Empowering... It seems to me that it has something to do with using a certain trick without fully understanding how it works behind the screens despite knowing that it is pretty complicated. A kind of behavior that makes people go "do you actually know what you're doing?" to which the answer is "no, exciting isn't it?"... Us Ij's ignore the kind of information involved until we feel we properly understand it, but Ej's have a less restrictive attitude towards it.

Anyway, not meaning to hijack the thread. Keep up the good writing.

Nice observation (as most of yours). What happens to me as an ENTj - if you accept this typing, of course - is an even more "interesting" phenomenon. People seem to think that I know what I am doing and that I can give them advice on how to do it, yet I feel like this trust is somewhat pushed or built on me around nothing, since in those situations I rarely feel like I have mastered the task. My understanding of this whole mess was that this chain of events is what pushes the EJ-Ni towards Te (that is, actually acquiring certainty of knowledge in the given task).

A pratical example: an ISFj small business owner that I barely knew asked me to work as a translator for him because "it looked like I could speak and write in english quite well". Yet I held no degrees or titles that certified that I am an expert on the matter. This type of behavior somehow forced me to really learn to speak and write in english decently.

Nice observation (as most of yours). What happens to me as an ENTj - if you accept this typing, of course - is an even more "interesting" phenomenon. People seem to think that I know what I am doing and that I can give them advice on how to do it, yet I feel like this trust is somewhat pushed or built on me around nothing, since in those situations I rarely feel like I have mastered the task. My understanding of this whole mess was that this chain of events is what pushes the EJ-Ni towards Te (that is, actually acquiring certainty of knowledge in the given task).

Yup. And once you've mastered the Te bit and manage to walk through the specifics of a task without even thinking about it and learn to do all sort of frivolous stuff beside it, you know you're concrete Si and you've turned into an ESFj. The funny thing is, once you're at that point you AGAIN don't know what you're doing. Creating/Empowering Si right there.

Thing is, while I can see this stuff happening on a micro-level, I don't see any evidence of a change of the hard-wired type in it. If the person is really an ENTj, s/he will inevitably start "thinking things through" again. The temptation to go deeper into things will just be too great to resist. I've pretty much experienced it.