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    A person's superego functions are such because they are the alternative to using the regular function. For example, ENFj argues that if a causality chain is becoming a viscious cycle, then one had better do something to stop the chain than to let it run its course, or at least to pick up after it. The worst possible thing is to do nothing. Doing something is the alternative to allowing the forces awakened by this causal chain to fight it out amongst each other, and then having to perform the work necessary to restore harmony. The Great Depression and its aftermath are a case in point: everything economic went downhill; people did nothing or not enough; emotional passions clashed against each other; and a huge exchange of energy was waged in a global struggle of military force. Had something been done, that violent energy would have probably manifested instead as positive emotion and trade growth, interdepency etc..

    This is the ENFj perspective on WWII and the Depression years which preceded it. In fact, through the lense of FeNi strengthening TiSe, the basis for all of the dischord in those years can be observed. Because people did nothing when they could have done something, TiSe reacted with an avalanche of regulations: on the one hand welfare, social security, and other instruments of the social safety net; on the other trade protectionism and the restraint of assistance between nations. The work struggle created by these regulations is with us still, as are the emotional reactions to being compelled to assist others on basis of them. In Germany in those times, the causal chain tread a different path. The Nazi party grew popular when it agreed to meet the demands of Germans who wanted a vast regulatory body to oversee everything in their lives, so caught up were they not only in their own viscious cycles, but also others' as well. The result was totalitarian socialism. Hitler turned the outcome of this system back onto itself, using German prosperity to raise an army by which he could set his own causal chain into motion. TeSi and FeNi reinforce each other.

    In general, the superego is thought of as the "bad alternative" to using the functions of ego block. This of course being because one is not as good at using those. Should something go wrong because one has not already done all that one could, then dealing with it in a way that ill suits you is your punishment; for the superego arises from without, in that by abdicating responsibility you create problems for others, and from within in that you create problems also for yourself.

    It is meaningful to note that one need not shoulder all the responsibility for a situation. Similarly, one must also try to accept that although you yourself may not be good at handling a situation, others may. Just because someone is wanting to use functions in your ego block does not make them stupid; it may just be a viable alternative, and especially when your own limits are reached it may be best to let this alternative run its course in the care of a capable other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    A person's superego functions are such because they are the alternative to using the regular function. For example, ENFj argues that if a causality chain is becoming a viscious cycle, then one had better do something to stop the chain than to let it run its course, or at least to pick up after it. The worst possible thing is to do nothing. Doing something is the alternative to allowing the forces awakened by this causal chain to fight it out amongst each other, and then having to perform the work necessary to restore harmony. The Great Depression and its aftermath are a case in point: everything economic went downhill; people did nothing or not enough; emotional passions clashed against each other; and a huge exchange of energy was waged in a global struggle of military force. Had something been done, that violent energy would have probably manifested instead as positive emotion and trade growth, interdepency etc..

    This is the ENFj perspective on WWII and the Depression years which preceded it. In fact, through the lense of FeNi strengthening TiSe, the basis for all of the dischord in those years can be observed. Because people did nothing when they could have done something, TiSe reacted with an avalanche of regulations: on the one hand welfare, social security, and other instruments of the social safety net; on the other trade protectionism and the restraint of assistance between nations. The work struggle created by these regulations is with us still, as are the emotional reactions to being compelled to assist others on basis of them. In Germany in those times, the causal chain tread a different path. The Nazi party grew popular when it agreed to meet the demands of Germans who wanted a vast regulatory body to oversee everything in their lives, so caught up were they not only in their own viscious cycles, but also others' as well. The result was totalitarian socialism. Hitler turned the outcome of this system back onto itself, using German prosperity to raise an army by which he could set his own causal chain into motion. TeSi and FeNi reinforce each other.

    In general, the superego is thought of as the "bad alternative" to using the functions of ego block. This of course being because one is not as good at using those. Should something go wrong because one has not already done all that one could, then dealing with it in a way that ill suits you is your punishment; for the superego arises from without, in that by abdicating responsibility you create problems for others, and from within in that you create problems also for yourself.

    It is meaningful to note that one need not shoulder all the responsibility for a situation. Similarly, one must also try to accept that although you yourself may not be good at handling a situation, others may. Just because someone is wanting to use functions in your ego block does not make them stupid; it may just be a viable alternative, and especially when your own limits are reached it may be best to let this alternative run its course in the care of a capable other.
    My question to you is do you believe someone can type themselves accurately if they claim they know their superego function.

    eg.That is ...does NiFe not know that it is reliant upon, from time to time, SiTe ?
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    Trying to make things right is the price of not cohorting with the right people. One chooses the path which gives meaning to live, thus giving people a sense of purpose. Without common purpose, people won't work together and that in turn will lead to each person relying on everything they have to get things done: a person may rely on their own superego (or even super-id) functions instead of arranging with someone strong in those functions to take over that task. You've got to get people on the same path by giving them something to aspire to, a position to reach. It is the aspiration to position which gives life meaning. A life without aspiration is unrewarding; people will seek then, meaning from wherever they can get it: vain pursuits such as personal glory arise when a society lacks a coherent meaning system. People need to be pursuing position relative to each other, not to some crazy far out idea of "history". A common meaning produces its own history. The alternative is people working against each other to advance their own ambitions; systems of interdependence faltering in the face of naked self-interest; and each person's overall potential diminishing, along with the brightness of their own futures. If you are INFp, then this is your burden to carry.

    If a person can manage to type the substance of the immediate alternative to their own inaction, then I would say that they have a good impression of their superego block. The superego is that which you must try to avoid by making the best possible use of your ego functions at every moment.

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