dbmmama and Fi?

[Blaze]

@mimosa: yes you describe creative Fi very well indeed. flexible. is leading Fi the same way though?

[strrrng]

At least my Fi-rules don't allow me to EVER make my laws universal. In my perception, the Fi-rules are about feelings (fields) - "I can't hurt people", "I should respect others and their believes", etc. The Fi-rules are NEVER about "objects", like the rules you describe here are. You talk about how MOTHERS and KIDS are and should behave to live happy lives. Also, my Fi would never, ever allow me to think that what is right for me is right for anyone else, not even for my children. And I treat my children differently as well, according to how I see them responding to different care taking. I work, but I don't judge anyone not working, nor others working more than me. Nor fathers working, nor fathers staying at home. Nor parents leaving their kids with the grand parents or in day care. I "judge" all by the different feelings I pick up, and I see that some people are happy with how they live, some are not. And it's not about staying home or not. Both can be good, both can be bad, even simultaneously or different from person to person, depending on a lot of things. I think that is how my Fi works, and that's why I think you are wrong when you think your "rules" are about Fi. Your rules limit choices and thus the flow of energy, the very flow of energy I perceive to be Fi. If your rules limit Fi, how can they be Fi-valuing? Your rules, as I perceive it, limit Fi as they limit it's freedom.

This sheds absolute no light on her type (or Fi, for that matter).

[hellothere]

I think maybe Fi-leading is perhaps a bit more rigid than that, but I agree fundamentally with Mimosa's views (except I don't necessarily get "feelings" nor would I make an association between feelings and fields, hmm but I guess Fi could be how you feel about something, the relation between you and that something, so I guess in a way it makes sense). It seems more generally to be a delta outlook to me. I actually think the main distinction she is trying to make is not (or is not just) Fi/Te vs Ti/Fe but rather Ne/Si vs. Se/Ni (though it could be both). I think valued Fi blocked with Se could be what Mimosa is pointing out in dbmmama, whereas she herself maybe uses Fi blocked with Ne.

I was going to quote something from wikisocion about Delta types not liking rules which didn't take individual circumstances into account, but now I can't find it :S

[FDG]

Well, to be honest, I tend to agree with dbmamma on that point. Not necessarily on the way she expressed her position, but my views are aligned with hers as far as the core issue goes. I've seen Fi types (Diana, if I recall correctly) agreeing with her, too.

[strrrng]

I don't say Fi-types can't agree, or disagree for that matter. I say it's probably not Fi-rules, rather cultural rules. dbmmama (who I like a lot) seemed to think these are Fi-rules, and I don't think they are.

What is an Fi rule, to you?

[Lotus]

She's probably ESFj.

[strrrng]

I think maybe Fi-leading is perhaps a bit more rigid than that, but overall I feel some resonance with Mimosa's views. It seems more generally to be a delta outlook to me. I actually think the main distinction she is trying to make is not (or is not just) Fi/Te vs Ti/Fe but rather Ne/Si vs. Se/Ni (though it could be both). I think Fi blocked with Se could be what Mimosa is talking about, whereas she herself uses Fi blocked with Ne.

Any distinction between Te/Fi and Ti/Fe was lost in the convoluted string she spewed. As for a difference between Ne/Si and Se/Ni, I think that is remotely plausible, as Se/Ni tends to be more absolute (if that is what you're referring to) in it's experiential outlook.

I was going to quote something from wikisocion about Delta types not liking rules which didn't take individual circumstances into account, but now I can't find it :S

Yes, and I am grateful that you couldn't find it.

[hellothere]

Any distinction between Te/Fi and Ti/Fe was lost in the convoluted string she spewed. As for a difference between Ne/Si and Se/Ni, I think that is remotely plausible, as Se/Ni tends to be more absolute (if that is what you're referring to) in it's experiential outlook.

yes, that's what i was referring to

Yes, and I am grateful that you couldn't find it.

why? do you think that is inaccurate? maybe i dreamt it up

[Ezra]

I think it's quite clear that dbmmama is a Fe-valuing, probably Fe base, type.

[Creepy-bg]

I think it's quite clear that dbmmama is a Fe-valuing, probably Fe base, type.

ya because it's so easy to get a "quite clear" impression of somebody you've never met and only interacted with over a forum.

[Kristiina]

Can't say about Fi valuing... but I do think ESFj is the most likely type for dbmmama.

[strrrng]

Well, to be honest, I tend to agree with dbmamma on that point. Not necessarily on the way she expressed her position, but my views are aligned with hers as far as the core issue goes. I've seen Fi types (Diana, if I recall correctly) agreeing with her, too.

Right, I didn't see any specific function usage in dbmmama's paragraph, really. Her opinion made logical sense.

[strrrng]

As I said, it was not about her opinion, it was about her thinking her opinion has to do with Fi. I don't think it has, and that was meant to help her.

Why did it have to do with EJ or Fe, then?

[hellothere]

I was going to quote something from wikisocion about Delta types not liking rules which didn't take individual circumstances into account, but now I can't find it :S

Yes, and I am grateful that you couldn't find it.

actually it was from Rick's site:

Subdued elements:
The Delta Quadra doesn't appreciate high ideals or abstractions that don't relate well to real life. They also don't like large institutions or power systems that do not take into consideration the interests of separate individuals.

I guess that's not really what Mimosa was pointing out in dbmmama's post, but I still think the reason for her [Mimosa's] view at least is her Ne-valuing

and also there's a similar theme in Alpha

Subdued elements:
The Alpha Quadra is especially sensitive to and critical of mercantilistic views, ostentatious displays of wealth and status symbols, rude and aggressive behavior, moral criticism, and people who suggest they are wasting their time on unproductive things.

its Ne/Si vs. Se/Ni