Why Ti is more important than Te: organization vs chaos

[Ezra]

My perspective. Some of you may disagree.

I think the thing that stands out about Ti is organisation. This is lacking in Te types. There's no rigidity; no consistency or principle nature in those weak in Ti, and they couldn't care less, because they have their Fi system instead. Personally, I think this is useless when standing it up against Ti. So, why is Ti so important to me? Because I am far more concerned with organising what I think about something - anything - in the world than I am with throwing (or receiving) a myriad of facts or a shitheap of information at someone's (or my) brain and having the desire for them to digest it. Being able to know exactly what I think about a certain thing when it is brought into question, and being able to precisely relay this to an individual, is very important to me. It's an internal chemistry I'm talking about; it's about my organising what I think about something internally so that I can use it in the external world through my Se. To exchange my Se with Te would be a death wish; I am who I am because I know exactly how to utilise my strengths and put on the backbench my less useful strengths (Te and Si). It's not that I think Te is utterly pointless or useless (indeed, it has its uses, which is why I do use it from time to time); it's that Se is far more useful and, what's more, when it's combined with Ti, it's unbeatable.

[Park]

You are full of horseshit - if you call that Ti.

[Phaedrus]

You are full of horseshit - if you call that Ti.

I agree.

[xyz]

My perspective. Some of you may disagree.

I think the thing that stands out about Ti is organisation. This is lacking in Te types. There's no rigidity; ...

Well that's all the reason I need to keep my Te

[Blaze]

*cough*

[xyz]

Yes?

[Blaze]

Yes?

lol

[strrrng]

the thing is, Te has structure to it; it's just not about inherent structure. Te looks at effects and connects them in a sort of causal chain, which is objectively accurate, but doesn't say anything about the inherent principle. This, I agree, is why Ti is important: it brings a conceptual order to chaos.

but I still don't think you're beta, Ezra...lol

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Ezra, buddy? I like you and all but I think you pulled that idea right out of your ass. Couldn't follow any of it.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

And yes people need to explain the functions much, much better- and sticky it already, and also generally define what a function IS exactly in the first place, or link to me where I can find it because all those mental masturbatory posts help nobody at all. Concrete examples or isn't this a sound science OR theory just a peter pan fairytale.

[Ezra]

Funny responses. I expected them all to be good, even from Ti devaluers, who would - I hoped - say something like "yes, this is exactly why I do not care about Te". I certainly wasn't expecting anyone to call it bullshit. Why is it bullshit?

the thing is, Te has structure to it; it's just not about inherent structure. Te looks at effects and connects them in a sort of causal chain, which is objectively accurate, but doesn't say anything about the inherent principle.

This sounds more to me like how a Gamma NT would think than a Delta ST would.

This, I agree, is why Ti is important: it brings a conceptual order to chaos.

Yes.

but I still don't think you're beta, Ezra...lol

One day, Nick, one day.

Having an answer to everything is meaningless, if the given answer is not factually accurate and up-to-date.

Yep, you're right, and that sentence alone practically steers you in the direction of Gamma. It's Te, but it doesn't really answer this topic.

I don't know. Why can't you?

lolalicious

Maybe because she doesn't know what (and who) a Ti dominant is, she probably thinks Ezra is one. And the ENTp that "puts the Ne spin on it" is probably Sunshine Lively with whom she's had a few pleasant conversations just recently which of course is more than enough to say that she get's Ti creatives better, especially ENTps.

When you say "dominant" what do you mean?

In fact, what do you mean qbsirena when you talk about Ti dominant?

In MBTI, "dominant" is your leading function. In socionics, when I say "dominant" - and I rarely do, because it's MBTI-infused and confusing - I mean that it's an ego function. So if I am Ti dominant, I could be LII, SLE, LSI or ILE.

[FDG]

Anyway, I was obviously not speaking in objective terms when I said that.

I think the two functions have simply different uses in different social contexts, Ti is definitely more important than Te when there is the need for a societal reform from the root upwards, for example. Te is more important than Ti when a social structure is already existant and working, and has to be improved in efficiency and kept in good status.

[Sirena]

In fact, what do you mean qbsirena when you talk about Ti dominant?

In MBTI, "dominant" is your leading function. In socionics, when I say "dominant" - and I rarely do, because it's MBTI-infused and confusing - I mean that it's an ego function. So if I am Ti dominant, I could be LII, SLE, LSI or ILE.

By dominant I meant "leading". And no, I wasn't including you in my explanation of "Ti dominants" since you are Ti creative, if in fact you are SLE.

[Logos]

By dominant I meant "leading". And no, I wasn't including you in my explanation of "Ti dominants" since you are Ti creative, if in fact you are SLE.

So you have difficulties reading the descriptions of only two types?

[lefty]

My perspective. Some of you may disagree.

I think the thing that stands out about Ti is organisation. This is lacking in Te types. There's no rigidity; no consistency or principle nature in those weak in Ti, and they couldn't care less, because they have their Fi system instead.

I think actually extrovered thinkers with their Fi can be too subjective and that the combination can also lead to narcissism. Now everybody, if you look at Model B, contains both combinations. So people might be more ourtwardly difficult or more privately, unconsciously, or more so in how they live. I'm stubborn and can be very lazy, but to me Te Fi can be creul, a pain in the ass, too subjective and unable to follow logic, etc (although i've seen pretty good deduction skills, too, and analysis, but I dont know if that's due to the consciouis Te Fi or the less conscious Ti Fe). Again, on some level I think we're all Te and Fi and Ti and Fe.

[Reuben]

Am I ESE?

No.

Piss off.

[Ezra]

I was contemplating what I said here about Ti being better than Te, and all those who shunned my explanation saying "that's not Ti" can fuck off. Because their explanations were non-existent.

[strrrng]

This sounds more to me like how a Gamma NT would think than a Delta ST would.

Maybe so, but I think the essence of Te is still about causal processes. gamma NT's may be more conceptual about it, and use it more within "time" (back-and-forth in processes), whereas delta ST's would be more concerned with a sort of present-based, observational understanding (absorbing in the details more....TeSi = death zomggg), but yeah....Te is awesome, I fucking love my polr

[Ezra]

Maybe so, but I think the essence of Te is still about causal processes. gamma NT's may be more conceptual about it, and use it more within "time" (back-and-forth in processes), whereas delta ST's would be more concerned with a sort of present-based, observational understanding (absorbing in the details more....TeSi = death zomggg), but yeah....Te is awesome, I fucking love my polr

How can you have a "present-based, observational understanding" of causal processes? I genuinely want to know.

[Expat]

How can you have a "present-based, observational understanding" of causal processes? I genuinely want to know.

That is one way of referring to Si, which is the external dynamics of fields.

[discojoe]

My perspective. Some of you may disagree.

I think the thing that stands out about Ti is organisation. This is lacking in Te types. There's no rigidity; no consistency or principle nature in those weak in Ti, and they couldn't care less, because they have their Fi system instead. Personally, I think this is useless when standing it up against Ti. So, why is Ti so important to me? Because I am far more concerned with organising what I think about something - anything - in the world than I am with throwing (or receiving) a myriad of facts or a shitheap of information at someone's (or my) brain and having the desire for them to digest it. Being able to know exactly what I think about a certain thing when it is brought into question, and being able to precisely relay this to an individual, is very important to me. It's an internal chemistry I'm talking about; it's about my organising what I think about something internally so that I can use it in the external world through my Se. To exchange my Se with Te would be a death wish; I am who I am because I know exactly how to utilise my strengths and put on the backbench my less useful strengths (Te and Si). It's not that I think Te is utterly pointless or useless (indeed, it has its uses, which is why I do use it from time to time); it's that Se is far more useful and, what's more, when it's combined with Ti, it's unbeatable.

[Gilly]

lol...

[discojoe]

Ezra wants to see the moral breakdown of the world.