+ vs -: external vs internal?

[tcaudilllg]

Why not? But I caution, consider this from ye olde Jungian standpoint of introversion/extroversion in the abstract, not correlated at all to the extroverted/introverted attitude, but rather to the actual differentiation of that which is "outside" from what is "inside", which is something that Augusta's socionics does not in fact account for in the least.

[tcaudilllg]

Based on this view, I would argue the following:

-Ti = how the world affects you
+Ti = how you affect the world

-Fi = what the world wants from you
+Fi = what you want from the world

-Te = what you give to the world
+Te = what the world gives you

-Fe = how the world sees you
+Fe = how you see the world

-Se: how the world moves you
+Se: hiow you move the world

-Ni: the path of history
+Ni: your path in the world

-Ne: your own potential
+Ne: the potential of the world around you

+Si: comfort for yourself
-Si: comfort to the world

This may or may not make sense... still probing it.

Edit: Revised -Ti and +Ti; formerly stated as "how you fit into the world" (-Ti) and "how the world fits you" (+Ti).

[tcaudilllg]

Updated with definitions for all sixteen Model-B aspects. Critique is welcome.

[Kristiina]

How does it help us if we get a new +/- definition system that doesn't click with the rest of the theory or with any texts about +/- functions. Like... umm... wouldn't it just complicate matters?

[Creepy-bg]

How does it help us if we get a new +/- definition system that doesn't click with the rest of the theory or with any texts about +/- functions. Like... umm... wouldn't it just complicate matters?

yes

[tcaudilllg]

How does it help us if we get a new +/- definition system that doesn't click with the rest of the theory or with any texts about +/- functions. Like... umm... wouldn't it just complicate matters?

What are you talking about? We don't know what the existing one is! Nor, I suspect, do its designers....

[tcaudilllg]

Hitta, what's your take on it?

[krieger]

I don't consider + and - to be that meaningful these days. It is easy to bypass them by simply considering how every aspect of a function is linked to an aspect of a "function block". For example, -Accepting can be understood to be the accepting function in a Result block...

To give a more commonplace example:

+Thinking = thinking in ST types.

Simple as that.