Which PoLR is easiest to spot?
For me, it's Fe. No other PoLR generates such awkwardness or embarrassing social situations. I'm sure some are good at hiding it, but the totally out-of-place remarks and inappropriate social behavior immediately stand out when I see it. It's not always a bad thing; it's sometimes refreshing, and I usually find it very entertaining, but in a social setting it can be just awful.
Ni and Se
Se and Fi.
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I can't spot Si at all. To me it seems like a pretty trivial PoLR.
"Waaaa, my room's a mess and I don't want to work out and I'm not sure how I feel!"
Grow a pair, imo.
weak Si/strong Si is actually the element (and polr) i spot in other people most easily.Originally Posted by discojoe
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Si is stupid and being so bent out of shape about it is cute and silly.
It's been my experience that a person will more easily spot the weakest concious function in another when that particular function is their strongest.
Like, OMG Gilly!!! Like, maybe, you're like an ESFp like!
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Like, OMG Gilly!!! Like, maybe, you're like an ESFp like!
Like, no way! My ethereal computer art man might just have to don some chaps and a rhinestoned cowboy hat!
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Se and Fi definitely. +2 to Gilly.
I'd agree. Reason being is that social situations happen all the time, so individuals who partake in this will obviously be shown up to either have grand social skills or poor ones.
Well, I think social anxiety can come off as weak Fe.
It's easy for me to spot Se PoLR, but it's hard for me to identify any other PoLR. I feel like other IEs or maybe instinctual variants cover for other PoLRs more easily than for Se. E.g., having a social-first or social-second instinctual stacking seems to help my ILI friends be very good at promoting the group mood (Fe-like behavior), and being self-preservation-first seems to ensure that an LIE I know takes care of his physical well-being and makes time to relax and enjoy things (Si-like). My LSE friend is excellent at extracting the essence from situations (Te [or maybe ignored Ti] and Ne somehow producing Ni-like behavior?).
What on earth could produce Se-like behavior in an Se PoLR? Maybe enneagram 7/8? But those are very rare enneagram types for Se PoLRs (EII/LII)...
I just don't feel like anyone has as poor a relationship with their PoLR as Se PoLRs do (though I am probably biased by my own experience/being able to relate to it the most).
I can spot them all, but not always and not in everybody. Probably, the one that stands out the most for me is Fi PoRL. They have a meanness (and sometimes outright evil, as is the case sometimes with SLE) that is characteristic.
Hm, evil... can you give an example? What I perceived as a bit insensitive in them are the jokes, I've heard one say "How were your holidays? Did you get a new nose?" to someone, sort of inappropriate and tapping into some very problematic territory. Evil would be some gaslighting tactic to bully someone
Evil is having no empathy at all for people. That's not being mean (SLE's are usually not mean, they are very suave and give an impression of kindness), but behaving in way that is not in the best interest of another person. This is something that comes naturally to Fi PoLR types. That's why they make good salesmen.Hm, evil... can you give an example? What I perceived as a bit insensitive in them are the jokes, I've heard one say "How were your holidays? Did you get a new nose?" to someone, sort of inappropriate and tapping into some very problematic territory. Evil would be some gaslighting tactic to bully someone
Ah, I get the correlation. Why do you think Fi PoLR is more prone to pulling a non-empathetic move?
Sounds more like narcissistic personality disorder.
Ntr still, maybe it's just the people you're exposed to
No, it's about having no compassion. Empathy is a cognitive-social process used to channel collective disgust and hatred as often as it's used to channel kindness and compassion. The-HA-driven desire to preserve order, often through use of
-driven force, is one function of empathy. You'd be hard-pressed to say that instilling coercion upon your target is showing him compassion.
Compassion is an emotional incentive to help someone in worse circumstances than your own. It can be channeled empathically or it can stay fully internalized, but the motivation is always to help the other person, never to harm him. It's possible to show empathy without compassion -- and, in rare cases, to show compassion without empathizing, like in cases where you never actually meet the person you're helping face to face.
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Some general notes, you don't need to see these all as directed at you, although I'm taking your statements as a prompt . . .
You're making an interesting distinction between compassion and empathy, but if you're saying that Fi-polrs cannot act compassionately, my experience says this is utterly untrue. First, I think any type can behave compassionately. Second, I've known several SLEs who were real suckers for people whose circumstances were grim, and who were exactly the kind of people who would not tune out or turn away from someone they knew was suffering. I've seen them get taken advantage of, too, by people who should share some of that burden but let the SLE shoulder all of it, and by people they tried to help but who just couldn't get their act together, or were flat-out bad characters.
How I often see Fi-polr manifest in SLEs is a lack of certainty about how other people feel about them, about where they stand with the people they care about. Sometimes they assume they are not liked or wanted, and develop various defenses in response to that feeling. They also are vulnerable, as my previous paragraph implied, to being used.
I don't interpret
I'm not trying to paint this type as saintly, but they are complex and aren't given much credit in socionics discourse for what is tender and selfless in them.
ILEs I feel less qualified to talk about, because I probably don't understand them as well.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Ya go to far m8
Good or evil is really. The socion is symmetrical, so I couldn't say any type is a mistake...
OP, polrs are harder to spot than ego functions and mobilizing, even demonstrative
I find Fe PoLR very easy to spot and very endearing. After that comes Se PoLR then Ne PoLR. Fi PoLR usually only shows itself once the friendship ball starts rolling. Si PoLR is impossible.
Ti PoLR through conversation probably applies Fi PoLR. It can be basically this: OMG people teasing with me useless math or OMFG get rid of your feelings and detach. Granted that I have seen ENFp getting interested in advanced level math book (after being terrible at it in school)which can be other way around with ESFps.
It is easy to tease out Ne PoLR.
Of course seeing Se POLR in a spot.
Te PoLR but I don't really care about it. Can be humorous or something...
Depends on the interaction environment.
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Fe PoLR: After working with an SLI in my java class, I've come to realize there's no way in hell that my Fe is in the same placement as his.. I think I'm taken too literally and everything I say is meant to be more open to interpretation (which to me is Beta NF syndrome but I don't think I'm one of those either) >_>
Both Ji PoLRs are pretty easy to spot too, but I don't really bother correcting them or feeling annoyed by it...especially ILE/IEEs because I'm receptive to both their creatives when applied to their leading function anyways
Si polr and Se HA both kinda violate my very being, impossible not to notice their physical presence. Always wanting to do something... always trying something... I just wanna smoke weed in bed and listen to music with a cat or at least a pillow that looks like a cat
Here's an interesting question: do Fe PoLRs notice when other people mess up with Fe? Are they only oblivious of their own lack?
Fi PoLR for me is extremely obvious, and kind of overbearing. When ILEs, for example, are trying to "make nice" and socialize, it comes off to me as being too straightfoward about it almost. Idk. It's hard to describe. It's like they try to adhere to some set of social rules they've made up and it just seems like they aren't actually paying attention to the other person. Like, I should smile and shake hands with this person, etc. Rather than being natural, it always feels like they are "doing" something. Maybe it's them just trying too hard?
I don't think they think in those terms. More like they subconsciously want other people to respond to the mobilizing and just in general be cool to them, even when they aren't being cool.
Fe and Si, though the Vulnerable function is not always easy to distinguish from other functions like the Suggestive.
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I don't really have anything to add. You can either try and fail or succeed to experience this yourself or ignore me. I don't care
I already have enough experiences with ILEs thank-you =)
No worries btw.
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Ti, Si and Ni polr are probably the tougher ones. Fi polrs tend to rub me the wrong way a lot of times so they are pretty easy to spot, especially SLEs. Ne polr is easy to spot online while Se, Fe and Te polr is easy IRL.
Depends on what you are doing, if you are reading a really well written book by an IEI you are probably not going to notice the Te polr so much (unless you are in a certain bad mood and being very critical) because the great Ni+Fe+Fi+Ne is going to make up for it and "stand out."
It's the times where you can't "stand out and shine" with your valued functions where the polr will be obvious in an awkward way... like, maybe the IEI has to give some Te report of business instead of a romantic adventure story. Then the Te polr will come out... or even when you ask them to operate the cash register.
Te polr is often obvious because American society is very Te valuing. And in situations where it's *both* Ti and Te valuing, the Te will still feel more potent because of extroverted function vs. introverted function. Though you put somebody in their right element- the good will drain the bad so much you won't know the bad so obviously.
Se polr is also obvious because of how we put assholes/aggression/willpower/assertiveness/Type A personality up on a pedastal.
Si polr is not so obvious because we are a society that is "Get a job you ****** and stop talking about your feelings online."
Lesson of the day: Do what you are good at, improve your strengths- and don't worry so much about your weaknesses lol.
@Bullets
I agree with the part about polr's not always being obvious.
Si polr is not so obvious because we are a society that is "Get a job you ****** and stop talking about your feelings online."
Is this really how you think si polr types think? What about LSE? They're the most busy work, micro managing type out there.
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In all seriousness, everyone more or less seems to put their Suggestive and/or HA as the most obvious PoLR. Coincidence?I think not
An EII girl I befriended did this thing that reminded me of se polr. She was super friendly btw. We had a little group of three friends that sits together and we work together sometimes, she tried to pass this paper to this xEE girl we know, the girl didn't respond so the EII put the paper next to her book and said "I'll just leave this here" in a meek way. Seemed like a mixture of "not my job to make her respond," and "maybe you'll be annoyed if I call you more than once"
Kind of adorable that girl. Although, she seemed off put by me occasionally, and I had to constantly try to restate things more gently or she looked shocked.
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