ISTp-ENFp duality and implicit perception of emotional needs

[meatburger]

Ugh, I feel the same way.

Im gonna shit everywhere and be spoon fed by people making airplane noises till im 110 i hope. I will try to take care of myself if i can. Its worth it to see what type of new technologies and discoveries they make.

[Christy B]

Im gonna shit everywhere and be spoon fed by people making airplane noises till im 110 i hope.

!!!!

[Chocolate]

I'm the same. I was a caretaker for seniors for some time and it really depressed me. The whole steady decline, reliance upon others and meaninglessness of life makes me not want to live to that age. But I don't think i'll ever get to that point. I would hate to be a burden to people. The day I have to start wearing diapers, someone has my permission to off me.

The same here. I would like to be a crazy granny like my ESFp grandma, if I had a possibility to choice my late years. She drives a car 100km/h, travels a lot, paints pictures and goes to parties with her friends. This prospect is quite optimistic barring age limit.

@ Chocolate haha i like your avatar and name its just very cute.

Thanks . I can say that this name is my substance . My family says I don't eat properly, but I love eating chocolate too much hahah.

[tiny_dancer]

Wow. I'm glad I don't have these intuitions. I'm going to be an old person like my ENFp grandmother. I have no idea how old she really is because she's so full of life and she relates really well with us grandkids. (Yeah, if I really wanted to know I'd just look up her b-day somewhere.)

[reyn_til_runa]

or it could just be that all SLIs are buddhists.

seriously, i don't see what's so hard to understand about not wanting to be too attached to a life/world that could end at any moment.

"attachment is the root of all suffering...."

there's nothing morbid or anti-Ni about it. it just is.

[mikemex]

buddhists (...)

"attachment is the root of all suffering...."

Thought it was "desire".

[reyn_til_runa]

Thought it was "desire".

yes, but attachment to this desire is the problem, not the desire itself.

[Sirena]

Have you ever seen the Neil Simon play "Plaza Suite"? In the third part of that, there's this bride freaking out worried about getting married who locks herself in the bathroom. And her parents are freaking out about her being locked in the bathroom while the guests are arriving. This goes on for ages, with her parents getting more and more upset and getting nowhere with her. So finally, the groom comes up, and they begrudgingly tell him what the problem is - that she's anxious and crying, and she's locked herself in the bathroom and won't come out. He shows no emotion, walks over to the bathroom door, pounds on it and says "cool it". And that's all she needed - she comes out of the bathroom ready to get married. The anxiety of her parents wasn't helping her anxiety. She needed someone without all that extra emotion to relax her.

That is the best thing about ISTps.

I can completely relate to that. I wish I had an ISTp growing up. All my family is so anxious and dramatic!

[Mattie]

I believe I've only met one or two ISTps that I can remember, and I think what's most appealing about them is their flexibility with me, they don't mind my mood changes or if I get bored of something, and for guys they are rather "emotional tolerant," I barely even know what I mean by that, it just seemed appropriate. They also made me feel special because it was like I was one of the few people who get them to emote, and there was something unexplainable that was attractive. Unfortunately for the most recent one, he and I have no common interests so it makes our relationship extremely dull, because we don't really have much to talk about and he's a bit into the sex too much =P

[xyz]

I do that with people whom I feel won't judge me for every little thing I say. I feel you guys are real good at not making me feel judged.

[Sirena]

I do that with people whom I feel won't judge me for every little thing I say. I feel you guys are real good at not making me feel judged.

Judgement be upon you! Oh shit, I'm already turning evil. HELP!!!!

[xyz]

Judgement be upon you! Oh shit, I'm already turning evil. HELP!!!!

You're beyond help

[Sirena]

You're beyond help

I must be if even my duals are giving up.

[xyz]

I must be if even my duals are giving up.

Remember, I said you only turn evil for your birthday. That means only 1 day.

I'll come back when those eyes stop glowing red.

[Sirena]

Remember, I said you only turn evil for your birthday. That means only 1 day.

I'll come back when those eyes stop glowing red.

Is it normal to get pre-birthday evil symptoms? Just remember, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ACTIONS until June 7. Having said that....*spits fire like a dragon*

[xyz]

[Sirena]

wuss....

[xyz]

wuss....

You're all talk.

[Sirena]

You're all talk.

Shit! I hate when my duals call my bluff.

[xyz]

Shit! I hate when my duals call my bluff.

it's fine, we both have our quirks. Let's just go get some ice cream.

[Lotus]

it's fine, we both have our quirks. Let's just go get some ice cream.

(You're not even duals )

[Sirena]

it's fine, we both have our quirks. Let's just go get some ice cream.

I just realized I have a compulsion for having the last word. Having said that....WORD!

[Sirena]

(You're not even duals )

Oh yeah I forgot, LV is SEE or something. No ice cream then!

[xyz]

(You're not even duals )

Oh yeah I forgot, LV is SEE or something. No ice cream then!

Oh fuck you guys

I just realized I have a compulsion for having the last word. Having said that....WORD!

You Ne people are all the same

[Sirena]

Oh fuck you guys



You Ne people are all the same

Yep.

[Mattie]

Did someone say ice cream? =D

[tiny_dancer]

God, PLEASE, someone bring me some ice cream!! It is 80 degrees in my office, I am melting out of my chair, and I can't think!! *cranky*

[jessica129]

It's 50 in my office all year round no matter what. Makes for a fun time when it's -30 out in the winter.

[napalm]

Unfortunately for the most recent one, he and I have no common interests so it makes our relationship extremely dull, because we don't really have much to talk about and he's a bit into the sex too much =P

Oh no! A man that likes sex!


Are you kidding or something? I don't even understand what you just said, could you please elaborate?

[humblepie]

I shit you not my ISTp friend has said exactly the same thing to me. Hes told me more than once that he can see himself dying early (he can feel it). All i can say is that i think hes nuts. Unless ISTp's have some innate death sense that ive never heard of?? What is with that, like weak Ni or something lol.

that would be just TYPICAL! put us through torture for years, then when we finally get you to open up and things start going good you up and die on us! bloody typical! nature is such a whore-bitch i wouldn't be surprised!

[pianosinger]

That does seem to describe how my IEE friend is around her duals. She comes up with zany little comments all the time and they just don't blink, and roll with whatever she says. They also don't make a big deal out of it, like call attention to it being a joke, but rather 'accept' the reality of it and play it deadpan. Umm, maybe I'm explaining this badly. I'll try to give an example.

This is so me! No one seems to understand my sense of humor! My FIL has kind of an odd sense of humor, which I like; I get his jokes, but instead of instantly laughing I will play along like it's serious, trying to joke along and I just get this look from him like, "I was making a joke, you didn't get it!"

[consentingadult]

As I have explained in a thread started by Dioclecian, I hypothesize that the attractiveness in an SLI for an IEE is that the SLI does not project/force unspoken expectations on the IEE (that other types might do anyway, even against the subconscious will of the IEE), which allows the IEE to act fully from intrinsic motivation.

I would like to extend this hypothesis: The attractiveness in an IEE for the SLI is that the SLI does not have to speak out their emotional needs and wants, because the IEE will perceive them anyway and try to fulfill those needs.

I realize that both aspects are somewhat IEE-centric, and that more SLI-centric (Si/Te) aspects can also be added to clarify the nature of IEE-SLI duality.

Does this make sense?

Yes, it does make sense indeed. To paraphrase Maritsa: "Confirm"!

[applejacks]

Well, when my husband and I started going out, after the first few dates I honestly thought he didn't like me. He just didn't show much response to me at all. I was mystified. He still mystifies me sometimes - I'll think he's angry or upset or something and I'll ask him what's wrong and he'll say, "Nothing's wrong. Why would you think that?" But I don't know about the joyful thing at the end. Sometimes he will suddenly surprise me and show a lot of emotion but that isn't a really common thing, and it particularly wasn't when we had just started dating.

So she could be ISTp but it's hard to say from so little information.

I'm resurrecting an old post! My apologies, but I have to chime in because this is me and my husband in EVERY way!!

I'm fairly certain that I'm IEE (very much Ne leading, and always wanting to bond via sharing Ne and Introverted Ethics about ourselves, experiences, etc).

My husband.. I'm not entirely sure what he is, but this sounds very much like him. I would show up for a date dressed to the NINES. I'm talking hair done professionally, form fitting dress, high heels, tasteful perfume, turning heads as I walk to him... and he won't say a thing. Yet four days later, he might make a comment to me or to someone else that I was the hottest girl in the room. But somehow it never occurred to him at that time to tell me that I looked pretty. Nor did he show any emotion or reaction to me when he first saw me.

And yet, he'll cry at the end of the Dark Knight Rises, because it was done to such perfection.

I'm so confused, but it has me fascinated!

[applejacks]

that would be just TYPICAL! put us through torture for years, then when we finally get you to open up and things start going good you up and die on us! bloody typical! nature is such a whore-bitch i wouldn't be surprised!

Holy shit! My husband MUST be ISTp! SAME thing! He tells me all the time that he's going to die young, and that he's always known. He's too afraid to check his blood pressure, because he seems to think it's always high, and he truly doesn't see himself living past 60.

(Again, sorry- I'm reviving these really old posts, but I just got married and I'm trying to make sense of it all! And apparently I only have 30 years left with this man!)

[DaftPunk]

Holy shit! My husband MUST be ISTp! SAME thing! He tells me all the time that he's going to die young, and that he's always known. He's too afraid to check his blood pressure, because he seems to think it's always high, and he truly doesn't see himself living past 60.

(Again, sorry- I'm reviving these really old posts, but I just got married and I'm trying to make sense of it all! And apparently I only have 30 years left with this man!)

being a health worry nut doesn't correlate with si ego

Edit: It can hapen that people think that their hidden agenda is their leading function. You seem to be very springy (but in pleasent way) and I think you really might be ESE

[Suz]

being a health worry nut doesn't correlate with si ego

Edit: It can hapen that people think that their hidden agenda is their leading function. You seem to be very springy (but in pleasent way) and I think you really might be ESE

I was actually thinking similarly. For example:

I would show up for a date dressed to the NINES. I'm talking hair done professionally, form fitting dress, high heels, tasteful perfume, turning heads as I walk to him...

That does not seem IEE-ish at all. IEE dont understand perfume, and stereotypically dont know what to do with their hair. Also high heels are the epitome of uncomfortable, and i dont think an IEE would be one to trade comfort for being dressed to kill.

I dont know about strictly calling you ESE, but I would peg you as someone fairly competent with Se and Si. And also extravert. So consider SEE, ESE, SLE, LSE.

If you see Ne in a positive light, you may VALUE Ne, in which case you might be ESE or LSE. But Ne egos tend to have trouble with looking sharp, even when they want to. They also tend to not be aware of people's heads turning.

oh and yeah @Daft21, ime EIIs and LIIs are the HORRIBLE health nuts. the Si-HA's go wayyy overboard with the hypochondria and reaction to it... Si egos tend to automatically take care of their health without a big to-do about it, especially SLIs who are Mr. & Ms. Practicals (LSEs too for that matter). LSEs though tend to overdo the workaholism, imo.

[Suz]

(Again, sorry- I'm reviving these really old posts, but I just got married and I'm trying to make sense of it all! And apparently I only have 30 years left with this man!)

Big congrats on your recent wedding!!

[applejacks]

I was actually thinking similarly. For example:



That does not seem IEE-ish at all. IEE dont understand perfume, and stereotypically dont know what to do with their hair. Also high heels are the epitome of uncomfortable, and i dont think an IEE would be one to trade comfort for being dressed to kill.

I dont know about strictly calling you ESE, but I would peg you as someone fairly competent with Se and Si. And also extravert. So consider SEE, ESE, SLE, LSE.

If you see Ne in a positive light, you may VALUE Ne, in which case you might be ESE or LSE. But Ne egos tend to have trouble with looking sharp, even when they want to. They also tend to not be aware of people's heads turning.

oh and yeah @Daft21, ime EIIs and LIIs are the HORRIBLE health nuts. the Si-HA's go wayyy overboard with the hypochondria and reaction to it... Si egos tend to automatically take care of their health without a big to-do about it, especially SLIs who are Mr. & Ms. Practicals (LSEs too for that matter). LSEs though tend to overdo the workaholism, imo.

But can you really go so far as to say that an IEE can't wear perfume or a dress? Truth be told, I try my hardest to make my outfits match or look decent, but they never seem to gel. Nor do my socks EVER match. But it's not all that hard to pick a dress. When you start adding additional items, it gets a little complicated for me. That, and I'm usually unkempt and happy about it, until my self-esteem starts to suffer, and I realize I need to step up my game.

ESE.. IEE.. I guess it'd be hard to tell over text either way. I need a personal interview! Tinychat broadcast intervention!

[anndelise]

That does not seem IEE-ish at all. IEE dont understand perfume, and stereotypically dont know what to do with their hair. Also high heels are the epitome of uncomfortable, and i dont think an IEE would be one to trade comfort for being dressed to kill.

I dont know about strictly calling you ESE, but I would peg you as someone fairly competent with Se and Si. And also extravert. So consider SEE, ESE, SLE, LSE.

If you see Ne in a positive light, you may VALUE Ne, in which case you might be ESE or LSE. But Ne egos tend to have trouble with looking sharp, even when they want to. They also tend to not be aware of people's heads turning.

I know you didn't mean as strictly as written, but I did want to clarify a bit...

We don't know how often she dressed to the nines, nor what kinds of problems, if any, which dressing up may have led to during the process, nor even what she considers 'to the Nine'. There's nothing in socionics that says that NeFi won't nor can't dress up once in a while, doing makeup, doing hair, wearing a nice dress, wearing some heels for a while. The heels might come off rather quickly, but they're only needed for that brief entrance, heh. Some form fitting dresses can even be made from comfy material. But even if not, it's a temporary thing, usually of a social nature, especially when having an interest in someone's opinion. NeFi do have Se role and demonstrative Fe.

There is also nothing about NeFi that suggests that they wouldn't be aware of turning heads. Again, 4D Fe. Now, in my younger years I would dress up once in a while to go dancing, and I did turn heads. i usually would quickly check to make sure my skirt was down, my top wasn't too far down, and there was no TP caught on my heels. And I might have worried about my makeup and the change of lighting and been horrified at the resulting image. However, I'm not a particularly confident person, and was even less so back then. Applejacks strikes me as more confident of herself, but nothing that was quoted necessarily means Not NeFi.

Perhaps you have other reasons for questioning her type. I would just be hesitant about doing so based on the quoted material.

[Beautiful sky]

@applejacks, IEE can and do wear perfume.