Bizarre Si/Ne vs. Se/Ni thoughts...
I was trying to think aboutand
and think of comparisons. Still my thoughts are overlapping in unclear ways.
What prompted this was my overall interaction style with someone I know who I think is ESE. I was asking myself, why we have so much difficulty getting along (trying to think about it in terms of Socionics). And I realized that the thing out of everything that seems to create the most issues (on my end) is her disregard for???). She doesn’t seem to really care what people want, fully consider their autonomy, etc. and I see that as not respecting the rights and conscious will of others. The point is, that I value what I want (ahem, if I know what it is) and I care about what others want. So the conflicts with her I think largely stem from what I see as her continued tendency to disregard the will and autonomy of others, as though it is irrelevant, as though it doesn’t exist. In her mind there are often things that are more important and worth more than what an individual person wants – in my mind there often aren’t. She also doesn’t seem to be very good at understanding things from the point of view of others… this confused me because if she’s Fe leading, shouldn’t that be easy (especially when paired with Ne-valuing)… but then I realized the reason I feel she doesn’t see things from others’ viewpoints is that she, again, doesn’t notice their individual will (she does notice other things). I can’t always see people’s will, but I try to think about it, or at least ask them to make sure.
But what does that have to do with Si vs. Se? Why does valuing Si mean disregarding Se? This is where I haven’t connected the dots. I am starting to notice that Si/Ne valuers often seem to have a larger vision in mind, about what is good for the group somewhat disregarding of the individual (the higher vision is more important). But to me the individual is always more important than almost any higher vision. In my mind, higher visions are not worth sacrificing free will for (granted that may not be quadra related). So maybe it’s that the Si ego person values Ne>Se and that’s what’s creating this sort of conflict (overall vision>individual will). But how would Alpha and Delta higher vision thinking differ? Delta does seem to be somewhat individualistic, which I suspect could have something to do with Fi-valuing… Maybe each quadra has its own brand of individualism. Alpha perhaps has a strong sense of intellectual individualism/freedom in terms of thinking and ideas (actually the ESE person I was thinking of does seem to value that, though she doesn’t seem to value freedom of action). And I do think that individualists can be found in all four quadras. Gamma for some reason doesn’t seem to value freedom of expression very much (or maybe I’m wrong, and categorizing too much).
I’m not trying to offend anyone with this (so sorry if I have). And I know there are quite a few misperceptions in what I wrote, so if you notice them, feel free to point them out. Mainly I was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts (any) on this (whether strongly or loosely related).
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Originally Posted by Loki
then it's very much about individual human potential: what someone can be, or has the potential to be... or other inherent potentials in humanity.
is more about potentials that are more objective, like things that could be, not necessarily what people can be. But how would 
work together?
