Creative Se, Creative Ne, cautiousness

[Ms. Kensington]

I was thinking about creative Se today in terms of how it represses Ne. I would like some discussion on what creative Se is, some examples. Before this I had associated creative Se as being preoccupied with what is currently present in their surroundings, and not being open to possibilities that are valid.

I then thought about an Se creative as working to minimize risk, but wasn't sure if all Ixxjs do this or if it wasn't the creative Se. I am told very often that I am too cautious or deliberative. Could we have some examples of cautious behavior, as I am not sure if it always has to do with one's polr.

I think I am cautious in areas both of events and of ideas, but I think I don't care as much about one of these. Would one be more free to "play" with one's creative function or one's polr in your experience? This question is aimed mostly at people with creative Se, but is open to all.

[PotatoSpirit]

This is too tough, K )c:

I was thinking about creative Se today in terms of how it represses Ne. I would like some discussion on what creative Se is, some examples. Before this I had associated creative Se as being preoccupied with what is currently present in their surroundings, and not being open to possibilities that are valid.

I don't know how it's different from Se leading, if that's what you are asking. It's function could be to concentrate on concrete ways to change your environment to your advantage (including pushing people).

I then thought about an Se creative as working to minimize risk, but wasn't sure if all Ixxjs do this or if it wasn't the creative Se. I am told very often that I am too cautious or deliberative. Could we have some examples of cautious behavior, as I am not sure if it always has to do with one's polr.

I don't think I'm particularly cautious.

I think I am cautious in areas both of events and of ideas, but I think I don't care as much about one of these. Would one be more free to "play" with one's creative function or one's polr in your experience? This question is aimed mostly at people with creative Se, but is open to all.

I wouldn't even know how to begin playing with my polr.

[mikemex]

cautiousness = well developed Ni

[Ms. Kensington]

now im thinking a cautious attitude overall might be Ixxj temperament.

If you talk about cautiousness in different areas it might be different.. what do you think?

[FDG]

Negativism+Ij = most cautious; if you add Ne Polr, again more; I'd say ISFj for the palm of most cautious. ISTjs really aren't.

[munenori2]

I'm cautious FTW!!!1!

Specifically in social situaions though. Gotta feel my way into the group, so to speak.

[FDG]

Gotta feel my way into the group

better than the group feeling theirs into you, that's for sure

[snegledmaca]

cautiousness = well developed Ni

Then I must have a very developed Ni.

I'm very cautious, I've never willingly taken a risk in my life and do all that I can to avoid being in situation out of my control.

[BLauritson]

I wouldn't normally describe myself as being cautious from my own point of view, but I suppose in the grand scheme of things I am. I guess I'm just used to my cautious behaviour as being "normal" as it were.

[Blaze]

I was thinking about creative Se today in terms of how it represses Ne.

side note: this is exactly what's happened to me over the years. what a great observation. it's kind of like you realize the limitations of Ne, that it's only good in certain situations, and you become like a devil's advocate about theory, ideas, practicality of application, etc etc.

my students say there is no instructor at the school where i teach who is like me. that everybody else is heavily idealistic and theory focused and i'm totally practical, hands-on, and help them to understand what the practice of social work will actually be like.

*shrugs* ok back to the topic.

[Kristiina]

cautiousness = well developed Ni

Then I must have a very developed Ni.

I'm very cautious, I've never willingly taken a risk in my life and do all that I can to avoid being in situation out of my control.

I'm very very cautious!

[Creepy-bg]

I'm too cautious... but i think i may be growing out of it

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Slacker]

I think Ni leads to cautiousness too.

[Ms. Kensington]

Seems a few people think ISTjs aren't especially cautious. Sunshine, i was trying to think of Se in terms of repressing Ne, but I didn't think that it really worked out like that in terms of cautiousness as evidenced in this thread.

What types do you think are most likely among Ixxjs to say

"How is that idea going to work?"

"I am private because I don't know who is listening".

I think both represent a general attitude of cautiousness but in different areas. Do you think that the same person is likely to say both ?

Seems to me the first might not be considering possibilities, while the one below may or may not be considering them.

A general attitude of cautiousness I think stems from not having enough information to make a decision. Seems like this would fit with what an Ixxj does.

I can see an Ni person being cautious because past experiences tell him to be in a certain area. But in general isn't an Ni person's thing to absorb and observe freely?

[Blaze]

Seems a few people think ISTjs aren't especially cautious. Sunshine, i was trying to think of Se in terms of repressing Ne, but I didn't think that it really worked out like that in terms of cautiousness as evidenced in this thread.

yeah it might not work in terms of cautiousness, but the idea that Se represses Ne is a very interesting one. the idea of reality dominating fantasy or something like that. i'm not really being all that clear, i just think you tapped into that tension nicely with that sentence.

What types do you think are most likely among Ixxjs to say

"How is that idea going to work?"

"I am private because I don't know who is listening".

I think both represent a general attitude of cautiousness but in different areas. Do you think that the same person is likely to say both ?

Seems to me the first might not be considering possibilities, while the one below may or may not be considering them.

A general attitude of cautiousness I think stems from not having enough information to make a decision. Seems like this would fit with what an Ixxj does.

an attitude of cautiousness can flow from any leading function....cautiousness about what? an entp will be cautious to take a new job that he would see as limiting possibilities or being too micro managey. an infp might tend to be cautious about doing anything that will disrupt good relations with a group. an entj might be cautious about a business deal which is too risky and not based on enough facts....

the IJ temperament i think is just more likely to adapt to change more slowly than other types, but this might be different from caution.

I can see an Ni person being cautious because past experiences tell him to be in a certain area. But in general isn't an Ni person's thing to absorb and observe freely?

[Wittmont]

I think Ni leads to cautiousness too.

Definitely. Ni is to back off and watch all the possible outcomes and let things move along slowly with a gentle push now and then to get things moving in the right direction. Ni is not a direct hands on approach, especially if things are complex and confused.

[Ms. Kensington]

Seems a few people think ISTjs aren't especially cautious. Sunshine, i was trying to think of Se in terms of repressing Ne, but I didn't think that it really worked out like that in terms of cautiousness as evidenced in this thread.

yeah it might not work in terms of cautiousness, but the idea that Se represses Ne is a very interesting one. the idea of reality dominating fantasy or something like that. i'm not really being all that clear, i just think you tapped into that tension nicely with that sentence.

What types do you think are most likely among Ixxjs to say

"How is that idea going to work?"

"I am private because I don't know who is listening".

I think both represent a general attitude of cautiousness but in different areas. Do you think that the same person is likely to say both ?

Seems to me the first might not be considering possibilities, while the one below may or may not be considering them.

A general attitude of cautiousness I think stems from not having enough information to make a decision. Seems like this would fit with what an Ixxj does.

an attitude of cautiousness can flow from any leading function....cautiousness about what? an entp will be cautious to take a new job that he would see as limiting possibilities or being too micro managey. an infp might tend to be cautious about doing anything that will disrupt good relations with a group. an entj might be cautious about a business deal which is too risky and not based on enough facts....

the IJ temperament i think is just more likely to adapt to change more slowly than other types, but this might be different from caution.

I can see an Ni person being cautious because past experiences tell him to be in a certain area. But in general isn't an Ni person's thing to absorb and observe freely?

yeah i dont think that really works for cautiousness as a general attitude toward life in the example of ENTp.

yeah, if you have more thoughts about what is repressing what.. in terms of examples, that would be appreciated.