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    Quote Originally Posted by Mea
    Ok. I can see ENFp.

    About positivism and negetivism:
    POSITIVISM - NEGATIVISM
    POZITIVIZM - NEGATIVIZM

    Positivists (Extroverts from the I and III quadra, introverts from the II and IV quadra):
    pozitivisty (ekstraverty I i III kvadr, introverty II i IV kvadr):

    1. In situation they are in or situations that are possible positivists focus their thinking on a positive vision of the surrounding world, situations, possibilities, prospects.
    2. In everyday life positivists are inclined to think of positive things that could result from situations as oppose to negative things that could result from them (For example moving is viewed as an opportunity to gain new acquaintances, friends and so on). This results in an optimistic attitude, but not naïve and avoidant of reality, possible failure and things that might go wrong.
    3. Positives are better at managing positive situations (when opportunity presents itself). They are inclined to converts negative experiences into positive ones (Find the silver lining).
    4. They speak of the positive more, negative moments they present in a positive background ("Yes, they are grave problems, but..." – and then continues to paint a positive picture). Conversations that are purely negative (Where the other person is stressing the impossibility of things looking up) often irritate positivists.
    5. In the voice of positives one can detect positive intonations. If they are giving other people instructions they present them with "positivity keys" i.e. information on what to do in such situations (For example "You can call them only at a certain time")

    Negativists (Introverts from the I and III quadra, extraverts from the II and IV quadra):
    Negativisty (introverty I i III kvadr, ekstraverty II i IV kvadr):

    1. In situations negativists focus their attention to aspects of the situation that are insufficient, which can be treated as negative foreshortening of prospects, events, situations.
    2. In everyday life negativists are inclined to think of negative things that could result from situations as oppose to positive ones (For example moving means losing establishes supports and so on). Negativists have an attitude of focusing on negative aspects and avoiding them (For instance "positive" development of a situation is due to the fact that nothing bad happened)
    3. Negativists are better at coping with negative, bad experiences. They allocate negative parts of a situation and deal with them.
    4. negativists are more inclined to speak about negative aspects of something. Positive aspects are presented on a negative background ("Well, that is good, but..." – and continues to paint a negative picture). Negativists are irritated by "excessively positive" attitudes (When another person "forgets" to mention or even consider negative aspects of something)
    5. In speech of negativists there are many negative formulations, intonations (Hints, subtext and so on). For example: "Negative experiences are not always necessary, they're not necessary to me" "It will be an occasion to do absolutely nothing" "I cannot say that is true" etc. If giving instructions they focus on things to avoid, what not to do (For example "If you call them at such a time it will be pointless")

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    Previous researches into this attitude were generally reduced to measuring positive/negative in the "everyday" sense of the word. In our opinion, these attitudes are a consequence of a deeper mechanism: one group of people perceives properties of a given situation and describes how they pertaining to themselves (Positivists) while the other group distances themselves from them. Positivists describe a subject, individual, phenomenon, attempting to describe it through characteristics inherent in the object, while negativists focus on properties that are not inherent to the object. The surface impression of optimism and pessimism as hallmarks of these two attitudes occurs because of this. In reality both the positivist and negativist can posses these two attitudes and talk equally of things pertaining to either" good" or "bad" things, the difference being in attitude, the form in which they present that stuff (For example "I cannot say that you are not lacking" – negativism, and "You are lacking" – positivism).

    Hypothesis

    The difference in approaching experiences between positivists and negativists arises because positivists are better at remembering, noticing events occurring because of something happening, when something happening was better, not better, when something happening was inadequate and so on while negativists are better at remembering, noticing when something not occurring was better or not better or insufficient and so on (Generally negativists are better at remembering events that happen because of an absence of something happening and are inclined (Prefer) to draw conclusion from that type of information).

    Examples

    Positivists:
    "In order to trust one must first mistrust" "I always believe in a positive outcome. In that sense I will most likely tell you something relating to a positive outcome. I do not speak of possible failure, why should I bring people down with things that haven't even happened?" "I'm irritated when people only see "mucks" (Inadequacies) in others" "I try not to give instructions, but when in contradiction, I avoid instructions like: Do not go! Do not do! Do not..." "Even a negative experience is positive" "I start off by trusting people and then work from there"

    Negativists:
    "my first reaction to everything is "What ever it is I'm sure it's not more important then this"" "I do not speak about good" "One must take into account all the negative possibilities. It goes without saying that people can always surprise you" "If the mood is too good - there is something fishy about it" "In my instructions I always give people "negative" moments. I foresee those negative moments so I try to provide people with awareness of them" " People in general are good, but never the less it's still better to be cautious when dealing with them" "When they write textbooks, mathematical or similar, they always construct proofs "by method of contradiction"" "I often bring bad news" "When asked "How's it going?" I answer "It's all bad"" "Well, if I wanted to enjoy myself I wouldn't go to a restaurant nor a casino...well, most probably somewhere in nature..." "Then there will be a building, but this does not concern you. After that you will see a street leading away from your path, do not go down it, but continue. After that you will go around the next building, there will be two entrances through which you will not go in"
    *saves to desktop*

    Should make a interesting read with a cookie and a glass of milk, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    I hate to do this, but tereg, if you really want to find your Socionics type, you'd be better off not paying attention to dee.
    I was anticipating this based on the interaction between him and others in the thread (and other threads)

    And my response is this:

    The proof will be in the pudding. As long as I'm honest about myself the validity of what he says will evident by directly responding to his questions.

    It is ultimately his opinion that he's offering and I'm not going to try to dissuade his opinion, but rather just matter-of-factly answer his questions. If he chooses to change his opinion, that is his prerogative.

    I have no problem taking time to answer his questions, because I'm looking at just the questions themselves, not the person behind it. And it also allows me to consider the differing point of view and be able to determine whether or not what he says makes sense or not. EDIT: and if they can be applied to me.

    I would rather withhold judgement about the validity of his statements until I consider each of the questions, respond and get the response back.

    I prefer doing it this way because it is worth my time and effort. Even if it means what he says is not correct, at least I took the time to consider it, respond to it and rule it out.
    Go for it. Just don't want you to be sucked in by a false interpretation of Socionics.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    The video makes me think ENFp, but

    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    When I went to fall camps and stuff like that, they'd have that trust fall activity. Basically you stand on a 3"x3" square about 4 feet up, close your eyes, cross your arms and fall straight back into a group of people that is waiting to catch you. I had to completely trust the person/people behind me that they were willing and going to catch me. I was forced to block all of those thoughts that they could easily choose to trick me and not catch me and let me fall, I hope I didn't do something to piss them off so much that they would just let me fall, etc etc. And it really did scare me internally, a lot... until I just let go and fell back. The moment when they caught me always came as somewhat of a surprise to me. They didn't have to catch me, but they did. Grace. But I clearly remember that small moment where I consciously decided to be carefree. And it felt pure, free and liberating.

    I trust people about things that I have control over (the things I feel, the things I think... that transparency I try to achieve with people I know). But I struggle with trusting people where I have no jurisdiction or say or control... because it makes me vulnerable. It scares the living crap out of me. But when I do make myself let go, it is always good.
    this could indicate IJ temperament (though again it's mostly an Se-related issue).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    try doing last couple of Elzo's tests: Socionics test and Elzo's test and see what you get. there are also another load of tests that i dug up from a year or so ago recently in GD. should be quite recent. all of that should not be further than three pages into General Discussion.
    Ok, I found and took a test here -- http://linuxcube.org/another_stest/ and tested INTP

    My original post has the results of the Socionic's Type Indicator link for when I first took that test which came out INFJ across the board

    I'll keep looking for others as I wade through the threads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Go for it. Just don't want you to be sucked in by a false interpretation of Socionics.
    I trust that if I should go too far off the beaten path that someone will point that out to me and straighten me out

    Quote Originally Posted by dee
    @ tereg: man, i almost feel guilty i do not respond with as many words. my approach is analyze and classify. i do it with only a couple of words, so just you know.
    Don't feel guilty. I don't want you to have to do any more than what comes naturaly to you. If you are succinct naturally, then I will do my best to accomodate.


    ps, i couldn't find video link. that would be sweet. it's so much better with the video. give it to me man!!!
    If you're referencing what thehotelambush is talking about, it is here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di0tcLvYPDU


    But I should note again that that is more of an artistic expression of myself and not me in candid form.

    If I were like I am in the videos all the time, I would be totally worn out emotionally. And the fact is, I think this is more of a caricature of me than anything (but still quite relevant in how I express myself).

    I really had to stretch my face to the max to make those facial expressions work.

    The videos just help me to let off steam or scratch my creative itch.

    After going through this thread -- oldforumlinkviewtopic.php?t=16499 -- I'm strongly considering making a YouTube video that is more naturally me.

    And I'll find an appropriate topic so as not to suggest I'm doing this for a self-analyzing thread about myself. But maybe that will help flesh out the type vibes people get from it

    There are other things people have said in recent posts that I will touch on in later posts. I don't have time at the moment to get to them and dedicate enough time to satisfactorily answer them to my liking. But I will in due time.

    As a side note, I have a tendency to indulge in things with full steam and attention (like my recent interest in this forum and discussing something that is interesting to me) and usually that leads to burnout. I really, REALLY hope that doesn't happen here because I want to work through this with a good sense of closure. And this community seems very welcoming and warm to me overall, and I like that and want to preserve my interest in the topics discussed here.

    Also, I've been thinking yesterday and today about past experiences in my life where I will be a part of this kind of collective discussion similar to topics that have been going on here and my inclination sometimes to focus a lot of energy to the dissenting opinion(s) when it greatly differs from the majority. It's not that I don't get a sense of the collective majority, because I can intuitively gather what most of the people who have contributed are saying. I guess when I directly focus on a dissenting opinion, I'm trying to either 1) subconsciously help draw the dissenting opinion more towards the center with factual information or 2) draw my own opinion from the majority towards the middle.

    I do dedicate a lot of time and energy to respond to things that seem "way out there", and I strongly sense the "don't because it's a waste of time" feeling. And in the end I feel slightly torn (maybe because I'm a rabid appeaser? =-/ ).

    Blah. Just spewing out for willing consumption and trying to work it all out.

    Ok, I'm done for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Go for it. Just don't want you to be sucked in by a false interpretation of Socionics.
    I trust that if I should go too far off the beaten path that someone will point that out to me and straighten me out
    Maybe. But the people who go off the beaten path here rarely, if ever, come back.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    please do a vid in candid form. i think that would be pretty helpful honestly. if you need a topic, say so and we'll find something for you to ramble about for a while.
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    Yeah, I agree...I don't get the sense that he's the kind of guy the pictures in that video suggested. He seems so rational

    Tereg, it would be awesome if you could make a live vid without preparation and just talk about yourself or your interests or what you did yesterday or....well, you get the point.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    please do a vid in candid form. i think that would be pretty helpful honestly. if you need a topic, say so and we'll find something for you to ramble about for a while.
    Ok, I made a traditional, unedited video blog that is more candid (with the top button buttoned apparently well, it is what it is)

    Here's the problem. I wanted to talk about why I make creative video blogs, but the topic didn't have enough structure, so it is very long-winded, and I rambled and paused a lot.

    But it will at least show you me in a more natural state.

    I would like to make another vid where my thoughts are more defined and clear. So, I would like suggestions about things to talk about.

    For the time being, however, here is the video:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhmjHrh72w[/youtube]

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    He seems ENFp-ish to me. Of course INFj would be the next guess as that's the closest other type.

    *shrug*

    You seem like a nice guy regardless, tereg! Welcome!
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    visually you remind me of a friend who I believe is an ENFp. but your body language in that video seems quite introverted, you don't seem to be very comfortable in front of the camera when you don't have a script... is this true? If I made a video like that, I think I would appear quite similar... to be honest at first I was reeally surprised at how different you were from that other video, but I guess it makes sense if you script and plan your creative videos

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere
    you don't seem to be very comfortable in front of the camera when you don't have a script... is this true?
    I think that if I know absolutely what I want to talk about, then I appear much more comfortable and I can clearly discuss what I want to discuss. I'm not afraid of the camera, but my confidence comes from knowing what I want to talk about.

    I don't necessarily need a script... an outline would do, really. This video felt very free-form to me and didn't have much structure to me. Improvisation is quite difficult for me.

    I think I'd be more comfortable about things like, as Gilly suggested, something I did yesterday, or talking about things that happen in sequential order, things like that.

    I'm tempted to make another video, but I want to make sure first of the topic and the order of things I want to talk about (but not necessarily a script)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    please do a vid in candid form. i think that would be pretty helpful honestly. if you need a topic, say so and we'll find something for you to ramble about for a while.
    Ok, I made a traditional, unedited video blog that is more candid (with the top button buttoned apparently well, it is what it is)

    Here's the problem. I wanted to talk about why I make creative video blogs, but the topic didn't have enough structure, so it is very long-winded, and I rambled and paused a lot.

    But it will at least show you me in a more natural state.

    I would like to make another vid where my thoughts are more defined and clear. So, I would like suggestions about things to talk about.

    For the time being, however, here is the video:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhmjHrh72w[/youtube]
    Equal parts John Belushi, Auvi, Bionicgoat, and...Ed Norton? o_O
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Yeah I didn't necessarily mean a script, but some sort of plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    You seem like a nice guy regardless, tereg! Welcome!
    Thank you, and thank you for your welcome.

    I know what I want to do for the next vid. It will be more clearly defined (still long-winded, but more defined).

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    Ok, this is a two part (i.e. long-winded) video about my recent used car purchasing experience.

    You'll notice my expressive difference right away between when I know what I want to talk about and when it's not so clear.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mflHMjVyVo0[/youtube]
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aek0ErB5V2I[/youtube]

    Ok, I'm done with videos for the moment. I'm going to go do something more practical like read some more stuff on Socionics.

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    your top button is no longer buttoned

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellothere
    your top button is no longer buttoned
    Intentional, of course.

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    ENxx i can't decide between entp or enfj. sometimes i unbutton my shirts but getting a draft of the neck is intolerable--care to comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Improvisation is quite difficult for me.
    @slacker mom -- this particularly does not seem ENFp to me. they seem like hardcore improvisers.

    yeah i sort of am agreeing with heathie at this point. you at least slightly seem like a merry extrovert.

    heathie you look like you might have your hand in your pants in your icon. ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir
    "If you have any questions for me, please feel free to ask. My life is an open book, and I am not afraid to help you better understand who I am, which I hope in turn helps me to understand you better."

    ^My ISFJ mom^

    As I just said, you sound a lot like my ISFJ mom, but then you say that INFJ fits you more completely.

    I'm not really familiar with INFJ, having never met one before, (probably because they're so rare), but what I do know sounds amazingly like you.
    ISFJ much more likely than INFJ. I will go with ISFJ for the moment, ENTJ is also possible.
    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    ENxx i can't decide between entp or enfj. sometimes i unbutton my shirts but getting a draft of the neck is intolerable--care to comment?
    It's feels too uptight to me. I dunno, I have bad memories of people pointing out if I had the top button buttoned in school (if I wasn't wearing a tie).

    Probably some -vulnerable stuff going on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    ENxx i can't decide between entp or enfj. sometimes i unbutton my shirts but getting a draft of the neck is intolerable--care to comment?
    It's feels too uptight to me. I dunno, I have bad memories of people pointing out if I had the top button buttoned in school (if I wasn't wearing a tie).

    Probably some -vulnerable stuff going on there.
    no shit, also you kept going on about how hard the negotiating process was for you and how you didn't like the negotiation bit at all (standing up for yourself and pushing "hey, fuck off i don't want to pay x amount of dollars!"?) this seems sort of important to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    ENxx i can't decide between entp or enfj. sometimes i unbutton my shirts but getting a draft of the neck is intolerable--care to comment?
    It's feels too uptight to me. I dunno, I have bad memories of people pointing out if I had the top button buttoned in school (if I wasn't wearing a tie).

    Probably some -vulnerable stuff going on there.
    no shit, also you kept going on about how hard the negotiating process was for you and how you didn't like the negotiation bit at all (standing up for yourself and pushing "hey, fuck off i don't want to pay x amount of dollars!"?) this seems sort of important to me.
    There's that brass balls thick skinned New York attitude I wish I had.

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    i'm saying IEE after these last couple videos. i think that delta NF is pretty clear. you a kind of introspective curiosity ("ie why do we do what we do?") that seems to be fairly characteristic of delta NFs.

    you, like user hellothere, have a very very clear preference for Fi. you keep talking about the deeper, internal meaning of particular feelings (ie "i hope this video brightens someone's day" did not have an Fe quality to it, but rather took for granted the understandings of the importance of these feelings. there were a number of other examples in talking about the process of fixing your car.


    this is doing a poor job of explaining why i think IEE is more likely than EII. the only possible thing that i can think of is that you seem to enjoy rambling; you seem almost too gregarious about talking about your interested subjects and running wherever they take you to be an EII. but that's really a poor argument on what is minimal evidence; you could easily be EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    Quote Originally Posted by tereg
    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    ENxx i can't decide between entp or enfj. sometimes i unbutton my shirts but getting a draft of the neck is intolerable--care to comment?
    It's feels too uptight to me. I dunno, I have bad memories of people pointing out if I had the top button buttoned in school (if I wasn't wearing a tie).

    Probably some -vulnerable stuff going on there.
    no shit, also you kept going on about how hard the negotiating process was for you and how you didn't like the negotiation bit at all (standing up for yourself and pushing "hey, fuck off i don't want to pay x amount of dollars!"?) this seems sort of important to me.
    There's that brass balls thick skinned New York attitude I wish I had.
    ho ho ho! and i'm a female, too! you do still remind me of this dude who i could decide between alpha/delta for him. i may just go for ENFp for you.
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    Nerd with a soul. Needs a jock with a soul. Conflicts with jocks w/o a soul. Indifference/cold to nerds w/o a soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
    Nerd with a soul. Needs a jock with a soul. Conflicts with jocks w/o a soul. Indifference/cold to nerds w/o a soul.

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    nice summary, there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    heathie you look like you might have your hand in your pants in your icon. ;p
    your wild imagination fuels my wild imagination
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    heathie you look like you might have your hand in your pants in your icon. ;p
    your wild imagination fuels my wild imagination
    let's "read eachother's posts."
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    lol i can't do that.
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    Instead of going when I feel safe to go, suddenly, I shrink that threshhold because I don't want that guy behind me to get pissed off and honk, maybe get out of his car and share a few words with me. So I sacrifice my own safety and necessity just so I can avoid making the other person pissed off.
    Wow. I used to be a lot like this too but I try to be assertive sometimes. I think....that behavior might be attracting bullies and people that think you're a pussy that want to start shit with you because they know you won't fight back. Then again I understand the logic behind it, because due to being a good-natured person I never had to get in a fight at all, but I'd like to think if it came down to it I could kick anybody's ass. I make people angry all the time when I drive just because I'm not good at it, but oh well they can suck me.

    Being like that I think you create a situation where others want to protect and fight for you, so if people do start shit with you it would be like they would be messing with a woman or children, no offense to your manliness or anything. Or women and children, even though I don't care too much for either. (You're cute btw ;p)

    I wonder though they perceive MY driving as aggression and assholeish and think that they have to respond in kind when it's nothing like that, I wonder how many problems in society this 'fight fire with fire' is contributing, esp. in America. But oh well, Canadians and Europeans are pussies anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
    Nerd with a soul. Needs a jock with a soul. Conflicts with jocks w/o a soul. Indifference/cold to nerds w/o a soul.

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    Damn. That is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    this is doing a poor job of explaining why i think IEE is more likely than EII. the only possible thing that i can think of is that you seem to enjoy rambling; you seem almost too gregarious about talking about your interested subjects and running wherever they take you to be an EII. but that's really a poor argument on what is minimal evidence; you could easily be EII.
    some other random thing. god he's just way too open to be EII. most of the ones here also have a bit of a spiritual "heavy" thing going. that isn't really what i see here. obviously irrational and i think his description in the beginning was sort EPish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
    I never had to get in a fight at all, but I'd like to think if it came down to it I could kick anybody's ass.
    I never did either, but... there have been times where I felt like a ticking time bomb. So, in some weird twisted way, if someone really pissed me off and pushed me over the edge (emotionally) and I was forced to defend myself with utter disregard to anything else, I feel like I could do it. But it would really take a lot to push me over the edge. (I really don't want any of you types to test how far) I've frightened close friends of mine by showing just a sliver of that explosiveness. You know... that kind of "Uhhhhhhhhh...... O. K. I'm gonna stand over here." God forbid if I unleash it with reckless abandon.

    so if people do start shit with you it would be like they would be messing with a woman or children, no offense to your manliness or anything.
    None taken. I get the gist of what you're saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    The 1st quadra irrational dual pair was a little bit difficult to read since I don't really identify as a Seeker type.

    The Seeker is critical towards everything created earlier. He looks for new ways and alternatives.
    It's just not me.

    And trying to read solely about what the Mediator provides, for instance...

    The Mediator watches the flow of work and does not let The Seeker stop halfway by getting attracted to a new idea.
    I think that would grind quite a bit with me.

    Although...

    The Seeker cannot regulate distance in communication; sometimes he is out of place, unceremonious, too credulous towards people, too kind to those who envy him. For this reason he may get into trouble. The Mediator saves him from this.
    I would appreciate the Mediator in this case. Maybe at first I'd be a bit annoyed, but if their instinct tells me that something is wrong and I'm oblivious to it, their ability to ground me would be something I appreciate.

    The 4th quadra irrational dual pair sounded more able to touch on things I do need and how the Craftsman is able to address those needs and definitely also things I can provide for the Craftsman. Pretty much throughout that article it felt pretty consistent about my needs/her needs.

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    I will add this.

    http://socioniko.net/en/1.3.rels/dual-4j.html

    There is a friend I have who I believe is ESTj and this describes them and myself very very well.

    Among other things:

    The Humanist is very attentive towards people, which is not applicable to his dual who is interested more in results of work and communication rather than in the very process.
    Yeah.

    The Administrator is conservative enough in his views, and without such support he tends to fall into routine, may even stop in his development, stagnate in everyday chores, or lose his spirituality, romantic feelings and interest towards intellectual novelties.

    On the other hand, The Administrator is capable of thinking clearly and logically, of noticing what’s most important, of modernizing inefficient, outdated structures or technologies. He strives for higher quality and better outcome. The Humanist needs such a partner, who switches his attention from trivialities to more global undertakings. In addition, his dual attracts him as a protector and leader.
    Oh yeah.

    The Humanist is a very softhearted and sensitive person. His kindness is often misused by the others. By contrast, The Administrator is full of initiative, but does not like when others impose their own initiatives on him. He may show aggression, but hardly perceives aggression of the others. The Humanist, in spite of his indecisiveness, defends his own interests silently but impertinently, if he is sure of his being right.
    Very accurate I think.

    In practical affairs he is not very capable of protecting his interests, letting his more penetrative dual do it.
    !!!!

    [The Humanist] likes the integrity and hard work of his short-spoken dual.
    I really do. I really appreciate this.


    Ok, it does seem that I have been gravitating to the Delta quadra, but I'm still curious about dee's and others' observations of Gamma qualities they see in me (INTp/ISFj/ENTj)

    Are there specific questions that you can ask (maybe some questions like what dee was asking me earlier about Beta quadra values) or articles I can concretely compare that might be able to rule out or rule in Gamma quadra?

    Also, seeing that INFj-ESTp is a mirror relationship, I seem to remember someone with this as their signature, but I can't remember who at the moment. Anyways, how smooth is the fluidity of the relationship being able to flow between the two (being a mirrored relationship)? Is there any merit to this?

    In the meantime, I'll focus my reading on Gamma for the time being to see if I can find anything pertinent on my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
    Nerd with a soul. Needs a jock with a soul. Conflicts with jocks w/o a soul. Indifference/cold to nerds w/o a soul.

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    ahahahahha good one lol
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    dee has only been here a few months while most people have been studying this for years at this point. Despite dee's authoritative tone, I would put the opinions of those who have more experience above his.
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    About your type, tereg:

    1. You are definitely not one of the ST types.

    2. You clearly don't have an EJ temperament, so those four types are also ruled out.

    3. Most of the things you have said about yourself rather strongly suggest that you are an ethical type. (Your attitude towards your education also strongly indicate an F type in MBTT. That is much more important than what kind of education you actually have.)

    4. The only logical type that doesn't seem totally impossible is INTp.

    5. V.I. is the strongest argument against INFj, I think, but I cannot rule out any of the non-EJ ethical types for sure, even some of them seem much more likely than others. Based on V.I. only, INFp seems more likely than INFj. A comparison could perhaps be made with ChibiKeba, whom I initially had a similar impression of as dee has expressed regarding your look. (ChibiKeba is clearly an INFp.)

    6. Some people have suggested ENFp, but I think that a rather strong (but perhaps not conclusive) argument against that hypothesis is your writing style and the structure of your texts.

    7. You are more likely introverted than extraverted.

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