Examples of Fi

[Minde]

I know Ann tried this a little bit ago, but I'd like to try it again a slightly different way, with less theory. I think it might be more helpful and educational than running in verbal circles. I say this because I tend to learn well by seeing something, not just hearing about it. So, what are some examples of Fi?

What are situations where people show or have shown Fi? Or even another function as contrasted with Fi?

[Blaze]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

[Minde]

you really want to go here again minde?

Yes, if it means I can manage to squeeze something useful out of it. "Hope springs eternal..."

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

Good. Yes, that's the type of thing I meant.

[Mea]

I'm not sure if this is the best example, but here it goes anyways:

So it's a couple days before Christmas a year ago, and an ISFj friend that I have comes up to me with this extremely fancy looking gift bag, which looked like it took a while to put together. Of course, it's for me ( ), and of course, I didn't get anyone presents because I didn't care enough. So I'm standing there with this (relatively) expensive present, and it turns out that I was the only person at school who she bought a present for. I had absolutely no idea that she cared for me that much, and therefore I felt pretty bad that I couldn't reciprocate.

I'm making her a really nice bracelet this year to make up for that, heh.

I relate to this much more than Blaze's example of the ISFj.

[Creepy-bg]

Blaze's example made me think "What a bitch!" (not you Blaze, but ur boss)

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Ezra]

Yes please; let's have some examples. No one understands Fi.

[Gilly]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

[Minde]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Then you should have no problem coming up with lots of great examples for us.

[Gilly]

*reads the first post*
*headdesk*

[Minde]

[xyz]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

Are you serious?

[Gilly]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

[Creepy-bg]

Blaze's example made me think "What a bitch!" (not you Blaze, but ur boss)

I'd be taken back and sort of resentful that anyone would expect such Si from me if I was Blaze in that situation.

I'd be pissed that I was getting a talking to over somebody else being late. (to be quite honest I'd most likely be the one showing up 25 minutes late to the meeting )

(sorry to derail ur thread Minde)

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[Blaze]

Blaze's example made me think "What a bitch!" (not you Blaze, but ur boss)

I'd be taken back and sort of resentful that anyone would expect such Si from me if I was Blaze in that situation.

I'd be pissed that I was getting a talking to over somebody else being late. (to be quite honest I'd most likely be the one showing up 25 minutes late to the meeting )

(sorry to derail ur thread Minde)

[/hijack]

yeah i kinda was too but wtf can you do? hahaha

so diana you consider this Si not Fi?

[Gilly]

I'd say it's a combination of ethics and sensing. Way too vague to pin on one function.

[cracka]

you really want to go here again minde?

ok. here's one. i'm sitting in a meeting and there are handouts. i take a hand out. a colleague arrives at the meeting about 1/2 hour late. colleague has no handout since she arrived late. isfj, who's running the meeting, reprimands me for not saving a handout for my late colleague, says that i was "not taking care of my colleague."

I woulda went crazy on this person... boss or not... If not a boss and just a colleague on a lateral level as i am, oh damn it woulda been a bad scene...lol

I'm sure the first thing I would have said was, "I wasn't late, I'm not a babysitter, that's your job."
I'd also expect anyone sitting/standing near the late person to share the handout with them, this shouldn't even be something for a person to ask.
lol, you want to feel some ESFJ wrath, blame something on me that was someone else's fault. If I do something I'll be the first to take the blame, on anything... but if it's something as posted above... well that's just crazy to me.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[munenori2]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

This is a pretty good example.

[Ezra]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies. A lot of music is Ni-caked. Fi though? How do you really show Fi in a song?

[Ms. Kensington]

hm.. my INFj friend ascribes human like attributes and seems to feel genuine care for the pidgeons on the deck. I remember this was one time i felt, "her Fi is so pervasive". All things are seen through the form of relations with living things and their ethical treatment and personal needs. *shrug*

[Minde]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

That's lovely, but is that all? I'm sure you have more up your sleeve. Especially after claiming to know Fi so well.

[Mediator Kam]

Apparently, is my dominant function.

Getting into arguments about my strong values system and talking about how I feel sometimes is my way of expressing Fi.

[Minde]

Apparently, is my dominant function.

Getting into arguments about my strong values system and talking about how I feel sometimes is my way of expressing Fi.

As an ISFp, your two dominant functions would be and , not .

[Mediator Kam]

Apparently, is my dominant function.

Getting into arguments about my strong values system and talking about how I feel sometimes is my way of expressing Fi.

As an ISFp, your two dominant functions would be and , not .

OO, got my jungian/socionics functions mixed up, xD.

Nice call Minde.

[force my hand]

The evaluating nature of Fi seems apparent in the way my ISFj mother weighs the timing of social calls and functions. Be it coffee at someone's house or a supper, it operates on a subjective, "well, we've had them over x amout of times, and they've had us over x-1 times, so it's their turn to host." Essentially meaning that until they (my parents) were invited over, she would not be offering an invitation.

If you think about that in a certain context, it sounds negative and tacky, but she's from a conservative, prarie background where that kind of logic took on a positive role. All parties were assumed to have been on board with the idea. I think most of us also kind of operate on that level too - who hasn't gotten fed up with a friend who never makes an effort to get in touch?

In her, Fi also judges behaviour based on utility. Stunt pilots are a 'menace' and 'should not put their families through that', but normal pilots who make a living from transporting people and goods can be 'allowed' to fly planes.

[munenori2]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies. A lot of music is Ni-caked. Fi though? How do you really show Fi in a song?

Well, I would say that first and foremost there is when you mentally associate a song with an internal feeling, maybe due to what's going on when you hear it. The best examples I can think of are movies/video games, say when Cid tries to save everyone by strapping a bomb to his chest and diving off the airship to seal off the underworld (FFIV) or when Celes, despairing over having watched her foster father wither away and finally succumb to his illness, throws herself off the cliff on the island they had been stranded on, yet survives (FFVI). Also, you might also say that it can be combined with Ni, 'constructing' emotional content in the form of a scenario like these I've mentioned, perhaps love between two people that is realized or torn apart or even epic battles between good and evil, the underdog, the weak, and those that abuse power. I'm not really sure what I'm trying to get out here, other than that Fi might be the more visceral emotional content that, depending on how it is understood by the person experiencing it, might be given various forms using whatever natural creative or comprehensive strengths that individual possesses.

So, when at least I talk about Fi, I suppose I'm saying that I take what I most naturally see in the world (people, the relationships which must exist between them, raw emotional feels) and try to make sense of them, give them a form that is expressible or explainable (something I can point to), as well as play creatively with this understanding to make something new.

But I feel like I've been beating this whole Fi and music connection into the ground lately. I think I've gotten a better personal grasp on it though. Anyway, I hope this is helpful in some way.

[Exodus]

I don't know, I think "raw emotional feels" could just as easily be Fe.

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies.

Ni probably has more to do with time than any other element, but I don't think that "time" captures what it's really about. It's about the development of things over time.

[UDP]

Inviting people to discuss your type means that it's not possible for them to cross lines or say anything else that pisses you off?

No, but maybe my standards for crossing lines are a bit different. I just haven't seen much justification here for cussing people out. Perhaps I should have said that this behavior falls under my idea of unreasonableness.

Pray, everyone continue being exactly who they want to be. Just don't expect me to always like or approve of it.

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[Gilly]

I don't see how you can say that. Fi is one of the simpler functions to "get," IMO. The really tough one is Ni.

Not to me. Ni is either about time, or about inner worlds and fantasies. A lot of music is Ni-caked. Fi though? How do you really show Fi in a song?

You describe your relationship with a person...pretty simple.

Ni is not just "time or fantasies." There's actually a definition.

[Gilly]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

That's lovely, but is that all? I'm sure you have more up your sleeve. Especially after claiming to know Fi so well.

pfff...is that a challenge?

Ok, here's another one. I skipped class the other day because I was in the middle of a discussion with my friend about mental disorders. With most people, I would have said "Man, I got like 5 minutes, I gotta split..." But it was a pretty deep conversation and I needed to be there for him, so I skipped.

Here's a good example of rectifying ignorance of Fi with Fe. Yesterday in the car on the way home from the airport, it came up that I had made a scheduling conflict: last week I had agreed to both go out with friends AND cook dinner for my parents last night. I had to make a choice, so I thought about the fact that I hadn't talked to my friend Colin, who was coming to get me, in a while, and I knew that he had been feeling like I was ignoring him since I'm rarely in my room to answer the phone at school. My parents have a hard time getting in touch with me, too, but we've discussed it in depth, and I had talked to them more in the recent past. In other words, I knew that Colin was probably feeling worse about the situation since he didn't know exactly what was going on. Also, I'm living with my parents for the week, and as such, it seemed not entirely inappropriate to "shaft" them just the once in order to reunite with friends.

See, the Fi bond between my parents and I is obviously stronger than with my friends. That's weird for me to say, because I love my friends like hell and I would usually rather spend time with them than my parents, but there's nothing higher than family. If I had made an Fi decision, it would be simple: "I love my family more, so they are my priority." But I examined not the constant, "static" relation between myself and my parents and friends, but the "dynamics," the current happenstances, in order to determine who it would be better to ask to make a compromise with.

[Expat]

@Minde: an example of use of Fi is when you notice that two people aren't getting along well, that there is some issue between them, and you talk to them separately in order to try to find out what is the issue and how you can solve it.

A "darker" example of Fi. I was reading Gore Vidal's memoirs, Point to Point Navigation. He was sort of related to Jackie Kennedy (they had, in succession, the same man as stepfather, and shared half-siblings) and through her he got to know the Kennedy White House a bit. Vidal had a bitter row with Bobby Kennedy, and in the aftermath Jackie sided with Bobby to the point of saying publicly that Vidal had never been more than a very casual acquaintance to her. Because of this, he simply cut her off and never spoke to her again.

[Minde]

pfff...is that a challenge?

Yes. You interpret me correctly.

I knew you could rise to it.

@Minde: an example of use of Fi is when you notice that two people aren't getting along well, that there is some issue between them, and you talk to them separately in order to try to find out what is the issue and how you can solve it.

It doesn't always work.

A "darker" example of Fi. I was reading Gore Vidal's memoirs, Point to Point Navigation. He was sort of related to Jackie Kennedy (they had, in succession, the same man as stepfather, and shared half-siblings) and through her he got to know the Kennedy White House a bit. Vidal had a bitter row with Bobby Kennedy, and in the aftermath Jackie sided with Bobby to the point of saying publicly that Vidal had never been more than a very casual acquaintance to her. Because of this, he simply cut her off and never spoke to her again.

Good, thank you.

[liveandletlive]

I'm not sure how good of a grasp you have on but in my ego block, my first function is and my second one is . Depending on what (or any of the functions) is blocked with and what function it is, is used differently. Because my first function is (which is dealing with the concrete, external surroundings, power, etc.) if something in my environment goes against my morals, I can be evoked to do something rash, without thinking about it like an N person might. I know that this description isn't exactly about Fi in general, more about model A... there's a clearer picture of below- i promise.

OK so with introverted IM elements you are experiencing those elements as an object versus extroverted IM elements where you are experiencing those elements as the subject. For lack of better terms, it's almost as if you "feel" (nothing to do with ethics) these introverted elements more and they have to do with internal states. OK so that may not mean much to you but it helps when describing .

In , it's almost as if you "feel" your own emotions more so than with . They run deep within you and that is why (as some people mentioned in this thread before) types have a tendency to cut people out of their lives if they go against a very important issue to them. It's almost as if they'd rather cut someone out than have to live with themselves for letting someone violate their ethics. Also too something I've noticed from types, is that because their own emotions are not as dependent on others as is, their emotions tend to flunctuate for little or no seeming reason. Their emotions won't always be accounted to external events or situations- "just because."

In contrast, types tend to be very forgiving, and understanding of others' feelings and emotions- thus, they are not as inclined to cutting someone off as an type may be. As much as types "feel" their own emotions, types "feel" others emotions. My Mom is an type and whenever there's a sappy (to me) story on tv or sad song on the radio or a child that has gone missing she'll start to cry or at the very least feel emotionally affected by this whereas I tend to find these things cliche- almost too easy in terms of evoking emotion and remain relatively unaffected. This also works in to how types' emotions don't fluctuate as much as types. types's emotions work like this: Events A+B=C. Event C is sad so therefore I'm sad. This also explains in a way how and work together. is a very logical emotional state if that makes any sense. However, with this whole emotions thing is relative and changes constantly. That's why they need a type to help them make sense of the world, which can get quite clouded for them in their little self-created utopia.

Wow that's a whole lot of symbols...

[Blaze]

Ok, well, I used some Fi a couple of days ago. I convinced my EIE friend to talk to her boyfriend who lives where she's from about her problems with anxiety instead of talking with me, or at least before. He had called me and we talked for about half an hour about how she doesn't tell him much about her life at school. I told her that, if she was going to talk to someone about it, it should be him first, because he doesn't see her and he worries about her and needs to be involved in her life.

That's lovely, but is that all? I'm sure you have more up your sleeve. Especially after claiming to know Fi so well.

pfff...is that a challenge?

*coughsupervisioncough*

Ok, here's another one. I skipped class the other day because I was in the middle of a discussion with my friend about mental disorders. With most people, I would have said "Man, I got like 5 minutes, I gotta split..." But it was a pretty deep conversation and I needed to be there for him, so I skipped.

truth be told gill, you know you didn't feel like goin to class lol.

[Blaze]

The evaluating nature of Fi seems apparent in the way my ISFj mother weighs the timing of social calls and functions. Be it coffee at someone's house or a supper, it operates on a subjective, "well, we've had them over x amout of times, and they've had us over x-1 times, so it's their turn to host." Essentially meaning that until they (my parents) were invited over, she would not be offering an invitation.

Ahh, my ISFj mom does the exact same thing, and it royally pisses me off when she starts bitching about it. My thoughts on it are, "Who cares, the point is that you're getting together with good friends, not to keep a strict tally on whose house it's at." If you're that anal about it, just get them to buy the food or something so that the workload's even.

at the risk of beating a dead horse and possibly incurring the wrath of diana and anndelise, is this not an example of Fi-related social etiquette? lol but yeah i agree. but since my estj mother does it also, it could also just be Fi-valuing behavior as well.

[Slacker]

I think all information aspects have a good side and a bad side. Or maybe many potential good sides and bad sides. Anyway, none are only good, and none are only bad.

A good side of Fi is taking care of those you have relationships with. A bad side of Fi is shaming people into doing what you think should be done.

[Blaze]

I think all information aspects have a good side and a bad side. Or maybe many potential good sides and bad sides. Anyway, none are only good, and none are only bad.

A good side of Fi is taking care of those you have relationships with. A bad side of Fi is shaming people into doing what you think should be done.

wow. well said.

[Danielle]

@Minde: an example of use of Fi is when you notice that two people aren't getting along well, that there is some issue between them, and you talk to them separately in order to try to find out what is the issue and how you can solve it.

A "darker" example of Fi. I was reading Gore Vidal's memoirs, Point to Point Navigation. He was sort of related to Jackie Kennedy (they had, in succession, the same man as stepfather, and shared half-siblings) and through her he got to know the Kennedy White House a bit. Vidal had a bitter row with Bobby Kennedy, and in the aftermath Jackie sided with Bobby to the point of saying publicly that Vidal had never been more than a very casual acquaintance to her. Because of this, he simply cut her off and never spoke to her again.

Very good examples.

What Jackie Kennedy said actually makes me sick to my heart. What a way to cut.

[eunice]

I'm not sure if this is considered negative leading Fi attitude and it would probably make me look like a very calculative person, but I will share it anyway.

Due to Te seeking, I enjoy learning from others on how I can get the best deals and offers around. However, I'm less willing to share such information to others if I feel that it will put me to a disadvantage, or doesn't provide me with any benefit whatsoever. I don't mind telling others about things such as "which shops sell such-and-such goods (mainly goods of mass comsumption eg. cosmetics and toiletries) at affordable prices" because I know that by doing so, demand will go up exponentially if they spread the knowledge to other people they know. As a result, the supply will increase and thus the prices will fall, benefitting me as a consumer.

Examples of when I'm less likely to share information with others:

Yesterday, my friend was asking me whether there is any temp position in the company I'm currently working in (which is a relatively great place to work in), I conveniently said that there isn't even though they are really looking for temps at the moment. I didn't even recommend her the relatively unknown recruitment agency which I have gotten my current position from even though I know that the agency has quite a number of attractive positions from premier organizations. I don't want too many people to get wind of the agency and increase the competition of clinching a position in any company just in case I plan to switch jobs in future. Moreover, I don't want another graduating student or fresh grad in the department for them to compare me with. It might jeopardize my chance in staying in my current position if they feel that she is doing a better job than me and decided to convert her to a permanent staff as well.

The same principle applies when another friend of mine asked me which websites can watch movies online for free. I didn't recommend to her a great website because I didn't want traffic to increase and thus slow down the process of uploading the movie.

etc. etc.

A leading Fe type would be more willing to spread such information because they constantly want to help people and feels encouraged when they benefitted from such knowledge.