Which key words and images/photos represent Betas the best?
Keywords, images, and photos to represent Beta quadra
Which key words and images/photos represent Betas the best?
You are SO not Beta.
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
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Originally Posted by Mark Twain
Cool. Cheers mate. What do you think I am?You are SO not Beta.
When you, personally, say 'value', what do you mean? Because I'm having a really hard time accepting that I actually think Fe is a good way of being or a function that I admire.
So basically you're accepting SLE through process of elimination. Essentially, you are thinking "he is not x, because of d" and "how can he be y when he thinks c?". Is my type really that unclear? Are their glaring contradictions that have forced you to reconsider your impressions of me? I'm very interested to know what you think.i would accept his own ESTp self-typing even over most non-beta types for him.
Also, just out of curiosity, are you an LSE?
I agree. I'm 99% certain I'm not in Alpha, but to me, Beta, Gamma and Delta are still possibilities.it's still possible ezra is not in your same quadra though.
Can you tell whether my favorite photos are beta or gamma?
INFp(INTp)
"I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world"
I just found my new favourite website.
You mean flickr? Yes, it a great site. So my post helped you? That made me feel good!
INFp(INTp)
"I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world"
hashish: cool pix on that website for sure! :wink:
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I guess I'll never really understand "beta" values, then. Because those images are really quite repellent to me. There's nothing I value about military/camo/big guns and epic battle bloodlust. I prefer my passion much less martial.
Bleh.
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
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have you ever considered IEE/enfp?I guess I'll never really understand "beta" values, then. Because those images are really quite repellent to me. There's nothing I value about military/camo/big guns and epic battle bloodlust. I prefer my passion much less martial.
Bleh.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Same here. I can't believe people are actually serious when suggesting those things.
Oh yes, mindless expressions of violence, although extreme do capture the beta essence very well...
Think again.
It's gross generalizations like that that distort reality. Child labor and exploitation would be best encompassed by gamma, slavery by delta, vileness by alpha, do you see where I'm going? Although you may be technically correct the aspect itself is still a far cry from your associations. It's like saying 1.000000000002 is larger then 1. 000000000001.
Or in this case 0.0000000000000001% of it.
Do I see a picture of a marine not doing mindless violence? Do I see a picture of a marine playing chess, or strategizing, or being dutiful or do I see a person living it out through their weapon? (And also I never saw the marine in that picture. I just saw the picture and what it conveys, which I think was the point. You calling the person in the picture a marine is completely irrelevant)also i take disagreement with the word "mindless". so you are calling marines "mindless"?
little red riding hood pointed out that many discussions that start off as nothing to do with me end up becoming a discussion of my type. FTR, I want to point out that while I lead them in that direction, I very rarely initiate them. It's things that people say like "you're SO not beta" that makes me want to talk about myself.
It's probably aI guess I'll never really understand "beta" values, then. Because those images are really quite repellent to me. There's nothing I value about military/camo/big guns and epic battle bloodlust. I prefer my passion much less martial.
Bleh.thing. Anyway, the Spartans were brought up as LSE 8w9s. The Se of the Spartan is related to Se demonstrative. I think it's the same case with the army. They like discipline (EJ) and fearlessness (Se) So perhaps you're correct; maybe those pictures aren't anything to do with betas.
Is there anyone who would react well to those images?
I never really identified with the typical Beta descriptions, etiher, possible because almost none of them were written by actualy Beta's and described it from an "outsider" perspective. Anyway, here's my submission for Beta in image form:
This is that beautiful art deco sculpture of Atlas in front of Rockefeller Center by Lee Lawrie. In Beta terms, this is what is translates to for me: Live as if the world rested on every breath you took, every movement you made, and every word you uttered.
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
Bowie, definately! Vain, artsy, multi-talented, quasi-evil and a bit twisted. Long live Beta.
Wait, are you actually saying that killing people isn't? As in, that is perfectly normal and accepted. The first picture is of a person standing on the corpses of a lot of other people with a savage look on their face. Are you saying there is nothing normatively problematic with that?
Gah, you are missing the issue. Try looking at it this way. How do you figure those people trafficking people intend anything so "vile"? maybe they are trafficking passionately (Se) for what they perceive as a just cause. as opposed to something like just "trafficking for the money". The traficker could also be perceived as obeying trafficking commands (very Ti).how do you figure those marines or that swordsman intend anything so "vile"? maybe they are fighting passionately (Se) for what they perceive as a just cause. as opposed to something like just "living through their weapons." the marine could also be perceived as making battlefield commands (very Ti).
You chose what situation to represent the concept you are trying to describe. There are a million alternatives to choose over the chosen examples that would equally (Or better) convey the beta spirit. It's people's prejudice that try to impose this as the standard, equate it with "being beta". I mean, what if I went around conveying the gamma spirit through analogies with human trafficking, child labor, human exploitation and other atrocities? Even if comparisons were technically valid it just wouldn't be proper or fair now would it? I'm rebelling against that, and you claiming there is nothing wrong with that I see as outrageous.
this seems more gamma to me. you know, kinda crystal clear and heroic without the Se/Ti.I never really identified with the typical Beta descriptions, etiher, possible because almost none of them were written by actualy Beta's and described it from an "outsider" perspective. Anyway, here's my submission for Beta in image form:
This is that beautiful art deco sculpture of Atlas in front of Rockefeller Center by Lee Lawrie. In Beta terms, this is what is translates to for me: Live as if the world rested on every breath you took, every movement you made, and every word you uttered.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I meant it in more of a drama-queen Ni/Fe way. I don't really know how to represent Se/Ti as anything but sex, visually.
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
I don't get any of these... how are any of these images necessarily Beta?
I second that.
Are you a tory, bionicgoat?
No...he's a Conservative Anarchist!I second that.
Are you a tory, bionicgoat?
lol yeah a la freddie mercury...I meant it in more of a drama-queen Ni/Fe way. I don't really know how to represent Se/Ti as anything but sex, visually.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
the only thing I know about torrys is that they're some kind of political group in Britain. You'd need to elaborate for me to tell you if I am or not.I second that.
Are you a tory, bionicgoat?
The Tories is the nickname for the Conservatives.
well if they fight against the Liberal Progressive Horde they're alright in my book!
very beta to me- a lot of people, bright colors, cool stuff. i think that there is something to be said about how the majority of ur pictures were of people.... so IEI of you!
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
Hey Birds, images are personal likes and in theory could possibly reflect Beta.
X-mas tree: Making a joyful tree out of scraps...when that is all that you have. Keeping the spirit motivation up. (I'm not even christian).
Pennies: The artist finds pennies in popular places and paints the landscape on them. Adds personal meaning to items found on location. Also, makes me think of the seeming disregard of the penny.
Girl: Curiosity...Looking closely at phenomenon.
Ax-to-printer: Reminded me of office space. Getting frustration out. Doing something about your situation.
Clock/Mouse: Again recycle items, this time coming from a desire to not over-consume on minutiae.
Huh? I'm IEI and I rarely if ever find pictures of random people interesting. In fact, when I go on vacation, I prefer to take pics of scenery, buildings, nature, etc. (Maybe one or two of me just to prove I really was there!). I have a very strong attraction to the visually aesthetic...
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
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beta-see above; sorry aka- i was referring to hashish- maybe you can look at his favorite photos and see what you think
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
Well, the fact that you have CONSERVATIVE as your signature somehow suggests that you are in some way affiliated with the Conservative party.the only thing I know about torrys is that they're some kind of political group in Britain. You'd need to elaborate for me to tell you if I am or not.I second that.
Are you a tory, bionicgoat?
If that kind of shit appeals to Betas or represents them in any way, I am SO not Beta.
So do I! My ESFj mum doesn't understand it at all, she always wants sombody to stand behind the camera when she notices an interesing building or something of that sort and then tries to catch the right frame for hours which pisses me off so much! I don't even photograph people 'cause I feel too abashed to ask them for posing or to just shoot because it may lead to an awkward situation.
Edit:
But of course I DO find pictures of random people (really) interesting.
You reckon?
INFp(INTp)
"I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world"
Your thoughts impose no necessity on things.Well I like them, so ehh.If that kind of shit appeals to Betas or represents them in any way, I am SO not Beta.
I don't find any of that aesthetically attractive. What I do find aesthetically attractive is Minde's avatar. That is where my Si comes in. I truly enjoy that. The colours here are poorly portrayed and the pixelation is awful. It is aesthetically poor in quality. FTR, that first picture that I posted of the commando I really like. The colouring in that stands out very well. (At the same time, the Duke Nukem picture was awful and thus unappealing.) I only really like high pixelation, because I like quality in detail. It is very pleasureable to look at a good quality Flickr album, for example.if you are a subtype bordering gamma, interest in things Si (bright colors?) + Fe is going to be weaker and/or more subdued. the problem with relating that to your ESTp self-typing though is that "people, bright colors, cool stuff" (within the present context) might also appeal to Se + Fi in some ways.If that kind of shit appeals to Betas or represents them in any way, I am SO not Beta.
Anyway, I am falling away from my SLE self-typing. I'm finding it quite difficult to associate myself with Se leading.
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