Rihanna (Robyn Rihanna Fenty)

[mu4]

Rihanna is EIE, the interviewer is like SEE or something.

Fe dom vs Fe demonstrative. Demonstrative function usage is a lot more uncontrolled vs Rihanna very controlled ego usage.

[Amber]

Rhianna feels EIE all the way. Maybe she has stronger Se or she just seems more assertive or aggressive than a Ni type because of her stack. She has that contained, stiff, but outward-oriented EJ vibe and many of her songs just speak Beta language (explicitly expressed feelings; strident, dramatic persona; violence&love; S&M; disturbed dreams and demons .... looks like some Se-seeking with a particularly Fe intensity).

This is the very definition of Fe for me:





... want you to make me feel/like I'm the only girl in the world...

[Iris]

The interview guy is annoying. lol. Is he EIE?

No no no no. Ew.

[darya]

I agree on Rihanna being EIE. Beta all the way.

I also agree on interviewer being EP, way to scattered for EJ. Fe doms are regulated with their base function, not all over the place.

[Olly From Wally World]

I know some French couple have her typed as 8 and don't remember but may have also been sx which I can see. The good old pod people have her as ESI along with Beyoncé and Madonna lol. They may be right in this case actually, she has the vibe and seems more Gamma than Beta to me. It's interesting to see dom or dom being the thing here. She seems relatively grounded for EIE to me, not someone I can imagine being all Hamlet like.

To me you can see the base and base difference just by looking at the video with Oprah that @suedehead posted. Oprah is the EIE here, IMO.

[darya]

Here, when she was younger, she seems much softer. Very different from how she is now, weird. No way is she 8 though, I see 9 and 7 in her tritype.

[Olly From Wally World]

I dunnnnno. Even watching that video, she seems pretty sensory motor like 8 and ego as well as someone who will be quick to wash you down if you fuck with her, a confrontational vibe but I don't really care about her enneagram, I'm more sure of her sociotype.

Good thing I got from this though is that I believe Gamma SFs are more expressive or give the impression of expressiveness than Delta nfs, as their vibe is more felt due to being Se ego and they are more physically expressive (instead of necessarily emotionally expressive). Sister is SLE, she moves around a lot and gesticulates, demonstrative but more so with force and her body. Would make sense for the few thinking base instead of base since this doesn't happen often here. Her feelings seem more introverted and personal to me and she has a strong no nonsense vibe that can be associated with Gamma and ISxj. She felt at home when she met Jay z, another gamma but I don't see that happening as much with Beta. If you look at the Oprah interview, notice how she differs from Oprah. You can see the desire for emotional effect in almost everything Oprah says. Rihanna on the other hand, doesn't do that at all. I don't feel like she wants to effect the atmosphere. Furthermore, she seems present unlike Ni egos and lacks that sense of ideological strength. Seems more attracted to tangible reality.

[darya]

@Olly From Wally World

Dammit, you have a case haha. Ok, gamma SF 9w8. She isn't that easy to figure out though (ESI blind spot lol).

She changed musically and in terms of image a lot from when she first came out. Kinda grew into her own, real self. We're probably over-thinking stuff in relations to quadras on this forum (I've always related to her lyrics a lot in a superficial way).

[Iris]

@Olly From Wally World

Dammit, you have a case haha. Ok, gamma SF 9w8. She isn't that easy to figure out though (ESI blind spot lol).

She changed musically and in terms of image a lot from when she first came out. Kinda grew into her own, real self. We're probably over-thinking stuff in relations to quadras on this forum (I've always related to her lyrics a lot in a superficial way).

I could kinda see the case for EIE, including a slight rigidity and even slighter physical awkwardness, but there is something about her eyes that says Se.

[Iris]

It is very interesting to contrast her with Oprah, the master of emotional effect. She seems somehow smaller, less impactful. Sensitive. Oddest thing was that she cared about Chris Brown and that no one would understand him. It would have been all over if he had done that to me.

DONE.

[silke]

Rihanna doesn't have the sudden stab-in-the-chest emotional impact of an sx-first, but rather a simple, elegant, contained appeal and a kind of innocence about her - whichever outfit she wears it never seems over the top - which made sp/so seem like a likely choice for her (contrast this with Nicki Minaj's sx-first).

As for Oprah she is also typed as IEE, "the penetrating psychologist", and seems to be in the heart/feeling triad in the enneagram, which, with a lot of application, could make her an emotional violinist sans any Fe.

[darya]

It is very interesting to contrast her with Oprah, the master of emotional effect. She seems somehow smaller, less impactful. Sensitive. Oddest thing was that she cared about Chris Brown and that no one would understand him. It would have been all over if he had done that to me.

DONE.

Yes, and even when you contrast different interviews, it's like Rihanna has a different personality in each. Interesting how she can be a complete bitch to fans and a fragile little girl in the Oprah interview. Seems like a lot of put on toughness.

[darya]

Rihanna doesn't have the sudden stab-in-the-chest emotional impact of an sx-first, but rather a simple, elegant, contained appeal and a kind of innocence about her - whichever outfit she wears it never seems over the top - which made sp/so seem like a likely choice for her (contrast this with Nicki Minaj's sx-first).

Interesting how different we see people To me Rihanna has a ton of natural sex-appeal and swag, like she could be dressed in a bag and still be sexy (NOT looks-wise). Nicki Minaj seems like she's trying too hard and has kind of strange asexual effect at the end - like a robot trying to go throw sexy human motions and still coming off as robot (similar to Lady Gaga- trying so hard, humping the floor in a bikini but still not sexy and looking like an asexual humanoid). Nicki MInaj also looks over the top in every outfit because she has ginormous boobs and ass, so ofc she's going to look more slutty than someone flat-chested.

Just the way Rihanna moves around and looks and flirts is completely hot, either if she plays it innocent or if she vamps it up (which she definitely can to the max).

I agree on her coming off as innocent in some interviews, but that's just her being appropriate to the situation. She's sx/sp like Marilyn Monroe, who was totally innocent acting, but hot as hell and extremely flirty all the time (not to mention all her married men hopping). I mean, there can be different ways of sex appeal or approach to seduction, not just Nicki Minaj bulldozer way

Things like that can get really subjective if you look at it from who seems to make an impact on you and who doesn't..

Besides:

As for Oprah she is also typed as IEE, "the penetrating psychologist", and seems to be in the heart/feeling triad in the enneagram, which, with a lot of application, could make her an emotional violinist sans any Fe.

Oprah is EIE 3w2 imo, not IEE - she's EIE who's trying to sell Delta values to the stupid masses, so she can get rich and come off as messiah. Dr. Phil is LSI and her guy Stedman is also LSI.

[Iris]

Interesting how different we see people To me Rihanna has a ton of natural sex-appeal and swag, like she could be dressed in a bag and still be sexy (NOT looks-wise). Nicki Minaj seems like she's trying too hard and has kind of strange asexual effect at the end - like a robot trying to go throw sexy human motions and still coming off as robot (similar to Lady Gaga- trying so hard, humping the floor in a bikini but still not sexy and looking like an asexual humanoid). Nicki MInaj also looks over the top in every outfit because she has ginormous boobs and ass, so ofc she's going to look more slutty than someone flat-chested.

Just the way Rihanna moves around and looks and flirts is completely hot, either if she plays it innocent or if she vamps it up (which she definitely can to the max).

I agree on her coming off as innocent in some interviews, but that's just her being appropriate to the situation. She's sx/sp like Marilyn Monroe, who was totally innocent acting, but hot as hell and extremely flirty all the time (not to mention all her married men hopping). I mean, there can be different ways of sex appeal or approach to seduction, not just Nicki Minaj bulldozer way

Things like that can get really subjective if you look at it from who seems to make an impact on you and who doesn't..

Besides:

Oprah is EIE 3w2 imo, not IEE - she's EIE who's trying to sell Delta values to the stupid masses, so she can get rich and come off as messiah. Dr. Phil is LSI and her guy Stedman is also LSI.

Ew, Dr Phil is a bigger blowhard than Oprah. NOT my dual. Ick.

[darya]

Ew, Dr Phil is a bigger blowhard than Oprah. NOT my dual. Ick.

Lol, I think he is. They both suck, so it makes sense they found each other and dualized .

[Creepy-male]

To me Rihanna has a ton of natural sex-appeal and swag, like she could be dressed in a bag and still be sexy (NOT looks-wise).

Just the way Rihanna moves around and looks and flirts is completely hot, either if she plays it innocent or if she vamps it up (which she definitely can to the max).

I approve of this message. Rihanna is probably one of the sexiest women I've ever laid eyes on.

[Olly From Wally World]

I see Se but I can't really see Fi. I hear she's rather mean in person and even makes fun of her fans in a rude way... that kinda seems more like a Fi blind spot to me.

I mean, she's pretty different to Beyonce who I type as ESI. Perhaps LSI makes more sense for Rihanna?

sx/sp seems about right

And I would guess this is least common with 9s, 8s are more like that. But yeah, egos can be bitches too (i.e Agni), I don't think you've got to be nice to be one. And some of them only really care about people in relation to them that they are close to probably more so with Gamma SFs than Delta NFs.

ESI - natural relations, dedicated and loving his own, rejecting of outsiders.
EII - artificial relations, forgives transgressions, treats outsides as his own.

As far as LSI goes, she doesn't seem logic-leading or logical at all, really. Logical types can be nice too especially doms who have developed their role (those who haven't seem autistic more than mean). To an extent, I think the true dicks are often ethical types, they know how to really make you feel like shit if they want to due to having a stronger grasp on the human element.

[epheme]

And I would guess this is least common with 9s, 8s are more like that. But yeah, egos can be bitches too (i.e Agni), I don't think you've got to be nice to be one. And some of them only really care about people in relation to them that they are close to probably more so with Gamma SFs than Delta NFs.

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I see Rihanna as Gamme SF as well. And for what it's worth my SEE 2w3 so/sx sister is a total bitch unless you are "in" with her or friends of someone who is "in" with her. And if you are then she would do almost anything for you. So I agree with Olly on this one.

Edit: My sister's E type I'm only 75% sure of, but sociotype and stacking I'm sure of.

[silke]

Interesting how different we see people To me Rihanna has a ton of natural sex-appeal and swag, like she could be dressed in a bag and still be sexy (NOT looks-wise).

Only that I didn't say anywhere that she doesn't have swag or sex appeal. Sx instinct in itself is not about being sexy or presenting a sexualized image of yourself - that's a literal interpretation of it. There are plenty of sexy people among all stackings

Nicki Minaj seems like she's trying too hard and has kind of strange asexual effect at the end - like a robot trying to go throw sexy human motions and still coming off as robot (similar to Lady Gaga- trying so hard, humping the floor in a bikini but still not sexy and looking like an asexual humanoid). Nicki MInaj also looks over the top in every outfit because she has ginormous boobs and ass, so ofc she's going to look more slutty than someone flat-chested.

Nicki Minaj actually can have a more refined appeal than her on-stage persona: http://i.imgur.com/5x9mK45.jpg. So it's not that she's a "big girl" and can't help herself from "looking slutty", she just chooses not to tone it down. There is no sense of balance when it comes to the first and last instincts: typically the primary instinct is overdone, last one is underdone. And I'm just not seeing how sx is the "overdone" instinct with Rihanna.

I agree on her coming off as innocent in some interviews, but that's just her being appropriate to the situation.

Being appropriate to the situation is how social instinct manifests This is something sx/sp's really struggle with. The fact that Rihanna does this naturally and with ease shows that she has social instinct in her stacking.

Here's an sx/sp account that is at sharp contrast to Rihanna's "appropriateness": What I really hate is the people with a higher social instinct acting like I'm a bull in a china shop every time I try to say anything. My sister (6w7 so/sp) is horrible about this, sometimes reacting to every comment I make as though I'm the most horrid, uncouth thing imaginable, and in addition taking everything as some kind of slam or insult, when I'm just talking normally and not thinking anything insulting at all. My 9w1 so/sx ex was also really bad about acting like I was social death, and frequently giving me the feeling that everybody was mad at me or something. I think he was just on guard for potential areas of conflict, though, because sometimes I'd find that nobody was upset with me at all."

She's sx/sp like Marilyn Monroe, who was totally innocent acting, but hot as hell and extremely flirty all the time (not to mention all her married men hopping). I mean, there can be different ways of sex appeal or approach to seduction, not just Nicki Minaj bulldozer way.

Except that sx/sp is one of the most blocked and wrapped into itself stackings, often appearing closed off, impassive, even unapproachable, with the sp wall always being up, which is the opposite of being friendly, warm, and flirtatious with everyone or easily diving from relationship to relationship. Sx/sp's don't have that social flexibility. Several sx/sp posters have already written about their personal experiences with this, both Agarina (link) and Galen (link), but it's like nobody listens and continues to portray sx/sp's as some kind of sex idols or fiends, which couldn't be further from the truth

Marylin Monroe wasn't sx/sp btw. Like Rihanna she had social instinct in her stacking.

Things like that can get really subjective if you look at it from who seems to make an impact on you and who doesn't..

I wasn't discussing how much impact she has on me, but pointing out that her presentation doesn't fit into the sx/sp stacking descriptions neither the personal accounts of it.

Oprah is EIE 3w2 imo, not IEE - she's EIE who's trying to sell Delta values to the stupid masses, so she can get rich and come off as messiah. Dr. Phil is LSI and her guy Stedman is also LSI.

Why overcomplicate things so much? How about: she's a Delta, preaching Delta values to a mostly Delta audience that loves her because she's represents them. The feedback from betas is usually disaffected, yet they insist in cramming her into Beta quadra where she sticks out like a sore thumb and continues rubbing them the wrong way - must be e4 or 'victim' masochism at play here lol

[wacey]

Why overcomplicate things so much? How about: she's a Delta, preaching Delta values to a mostly Delta audience that loves her because she's represents them. The feedback from betas is usually disaffected, yet they insist in cramming her into Beta quadra where she sticks out like a sore thumb and continues rubbing them the wrong way - must be e4 or 'victim' masochism at play here lol

This is not the first time I have seen Oprah typed as a delta quadra sociotype. Something about it seems very right. She is always going on and on about her favourite things (Fi). Her values seem to centre on finding many opportunities, making opportunities, becoming opportunities, opportunities, opportunities, opportunities. She is always stressed out over her body, yet continues to indulge in healthful pleasure (Si -suggestive). The women is a master psychologist. Plus, look at her spiritual relationship with Eckart Tolle (EII)? She loves that soft spoken enlightened guru.

Derail over. Continue.

[darya]

I hope this will be my last post on the topic of variants, cause I'm sick of it through and through

Only that I didn't say anywhere that she doesn't have swag or sex appeal. Sx instinct in itself is not about being sexy or presenting a sexualized image of yourself - that's a literal interpretation of it. There are plenty of sexy people among all stackings

I knoooow Silke That was not my point. As I said before, I type Scarlett Johansson sp/so and find her hot as hell. The same goes for people of all sorts of stackings. That was exclusively my reply to you calling her always appearing innocent, even if she dresses in sexy clothes. I just don't agree with that, plain and simple. She looks mischievous most of time to me, but that's down to the interpretation.

]Nicki Minaj actually can have a more refined appeal than her on-stage persona: http://i.imgur.com/5x9mK45.jpg. So it's not that she's a "big girl" and can't help herself from "looking slutty", she just chooses not to tone it down. There is no sense of balance when it comes to the first and last instincts: typically the primary instinct is overdone, last one is underdone. And I'm just not seeing how sx is the "overdone" instinct with Rihanna.

So when I say Rihanna comes off sexy to me no matter what she does, you quickly say that sx has nothing to do about being sexy, but on the other hand that Rihanna can't be sx first because she chooses to tone the sexyness down and appears innocent. And that Nicki Minaj is sx first exactly because she chooses not to tone down the sexyness. This doesn't make any sense.

Also, apparently Nicki does choose to tone it down sometimes, if she can be refined - and it's exactly the same with Rihanna. Can we get a clear definition of tone down btw- tone down what exactly? Intense eye contact, sexy clothes, vulgarity, acting out, exhibitionism, risky behaviour ? Because if you say that primary instinct is usually overdone and with which I perfectly agree, I don't see the supposed overdone-ess of sx instinct in you, Agarina or Galen -. you seem pretty toned down to me . Not saying there's anything wrong with your stackings, but I just don't understand how she's supposed to be sx last and you three sx first. Doesn't make any sense at all.

If we go by oh so very reliable VI, examples of Minaj toning it down (looking all innocent):

Rihanna on the other hand, supposedly NOT over-doing it ?' Maybe we're not looking at the same person lol.

Rihanna overdones it plenty,she seems extremely exhibitionistic and always about making a statement, changing her whole looks all the time, setting trends and so on...she has cult status -> not sx-last territory (usually sx/so actually).

Being appropriate to the situation is how social instinct manifests This is something sx/sp's really struggle with. The fact that Rihanna does this naturally and with ease shows that she has social instinct in her stacking.

I know this also Silke, I understand perfectly what so blind spot means When I first got to know Rihanna, I actually thought she's some kind of so/sx - that was my impression: some kind of cute, socially appropriate party girl socialite. But then I got to know her more and I've seen how extremely rude she is to her fans, how she tweets all this inappropriate offensive impulsive tweets slamming her fans, tweets racist things about ex Chris Brown’s new gf, gets back together with Chris Brown and is hooked on him, even though that is a hardcore blow to the public opinion of her after she was made out to be a victim and a role model for young girls. This is NOT a definition of socially appropriate person nor something an so-first star with strong PR machine behind her does. And she is way too messy to be sx last.

Compare her to Taylor Swift, an sx-last celebrity imo, and how squeaky clean she is –never says anything inappropriate, always friendly to her fans, low key balanced person. Everything she does is calculated.

For Rihanna being appropriate and tamed down in interviews, c'mon, she's a celebrity - everybody does that. PR.

Here's an sx/sp account that is at sharp contrast to Rihanna's "appropriateness": What I really hate is the people with a higher social instinct acting like I'm a bull in a china shop every time I try to say anything. My sister (6w7 so/sp) is horrible about this, sometimes reacting to every comment I make as though I'm the most horrid, uncouth thing imaginable, and in addition taking everything as some kind of slam or insult, when I'm just talking normally and not thinking anything insulting at all. My 9w1 so/sx ex was also really bad about acting like I was social death, and frequently giving me the feeling that everybody was mad at me or something. I think he was just on guard for potential areas of conflict, though, because sometimes I'd find that nobody was upset with me at all."

These are people who are extremely low on so instinct. Not every so last has next to 0 so instinct. Many people are strong and balanced in all three (these are probably the healthiest and most functional people), so it's difficult to even tell what their blind spot is, because they're good at everything and pay attention to all three areas. People of the same stacking (sx/sp/so for example) can have very different ratios of them. It's very different if this person is very strong in sx and low on both others, has them all almost the same or has strong first two and almost no so instinct. Huge differences in how this manifests in people.

As far as so-last people always being inappropriate and offending people left and right, E types affect this greatly. If we take two examples, 5w4 sx/sp and 3w2 sx/sp are going to come across very differently. 3w2 will still be highly extroverted, good with image and people-savy in any case and 5w4 will be a bit awkward and clumsy with people in all instances. You have to compare people of the same E type among each other,.I've never seen E3 who was completely retarded when it came to dealing with people, no matter the stacking.

Several sx/sp posters have already written about their personal experiences with this, both Agarina (link) and Galen (link), but it's like nobody listens and continues to portray sx/sp's as some kind of sex idols or fiends, which couldn't be further from the truth ]

To be perfectly honest, the way Agarina and Galen write about their experiences seems more and more like sp/sx to me, and not the other way around. Suspiciously a lot of sp in there. But since I don't want to be presumptuous cause I've never met them, I will believe their own evaluation of themselves.

Except that sx/sp is one of the most blocked and wrapped into itself stackings, often appearing closed off, impassive, even unapproachable, with the sp wall always being up, which is the opposite of being friendly, warm, and flirtatious with everyone or easily diving from relationship to relationship. Sx/sp's don't have that social flexibility.

I don’t agree with you AT ALL about sp wall being always up from the people I know irl who I type sx/sp .. Sx/sp is still sx first, concerned mostly with sx things, seducing, mating, looking for highs and connecting. So as this is their primary concern, you bet they will get over their sp wall, as the drive of the sx is too high not to. That’s why they’re called sx first lol.

Good descriptions of sx/sp imo:

(http://typewatchenneagram.blogspot.com/)

sx/sp seducer (weak sp) - sx in full command produces an active recruiter of potential mates; but being sx/sp this remains in the yin mode of seducing. charismatic and overtly sexualized, arguably the most purely sx of all stacks and ranges. draws from so/sx shadow to liven up sx into an erotic playfulness and to keep sx far ahead of their relatively nominal sp. an emotional yearning to their mating ritual; an inherently unstable range that can lead to a pattern of serial heartbreak. often confused for sx/so.

sx/sp mystifier (midrange) - the range where the mystique of the sx/sp stack is at its strongest. unconsciously attracts with intense eye contact and other sx feelers, but holds back enough to give them a kind of untouchable or hard to get close to quality. depending on their true intentions this can either frustrate their sx or reward their functional sp cooling system. like midrangers of all stacks, there's a seemingly casual approach to meeting their variant needs as the secondary instinct is kept both in play and at bay, and others may wonder what they really want.

sx/sp wanderer (strong sp) - the most clasically 'blocked' of the sx's, often exchanging intimacy in favor of the more immediate pleasures of the body. paradoxically the most wandering and restless of the sx/sp's. pulls from sp/so to ensure the sx flood is contained by the sp levee, which can provide a sense of stability at the expense of seeming put off by others. sex can mean a hollow satisfying of the instinct while more vulnerable feelings are suspended. quietly charged but muted, and can seem self pres first.

While warmness is *somehow* connected to so instinct (but more with syn-flow stackings, as so/sp contra-flow for example is the opposite of warm ), flirtatiousness is connected to sx instinct. Sx blind spot people are often dry and unflirtatious - depends on how strong their blind spot is.

You can easilly be so-last and be warm and flirtatious (look at @Aylen, a total sx/sp for example). Sp/sx are in my experience the ones who really strugle with turning these things up, not sx/sp.

Marylin Monroe wasn't sx/sp btw. Like Rihanna she had social instinct in her stacking.

Marilyn was supposedly a complete anxious mess when she had to deal with interviewers and public and cripplingly shy. She isolated herself and lived in her fantasy world by the end of her life. Also not sx last in any way, she was a complete train wreck. I've never ever seen her typed as anything but sx/sp either.

Silke, I know you have so-blind spot , but tbh, I think you're too biased from the viewpoint of your own stacking and evaluating everything from your lack of social instinct and thus way-exaggerating everybody-elses so ability

And I don't mean this in a mean way, I totally understand your frustration with so, but that doesn't mean that only very socially un-savy and closeted people people have so-blind spot. They can be relatively high in it, but other two instincts still override it. Also, if you are 4w5 sx/sp + 459 tritype, that's an extremely introverted combination. Rihanna is in my opinion 379 or something close to that (not completely sure), so you can't look at her from the same perspective as you do yourself - even if she's sx/sp like you (plus for example not as low on so as you in the first place), ofc she's always going to look 10-times stronger on so-instinct than you, that's just logical.

E types and tritypes shape stackings in extreme way. If someone is 459 that's triple withdrawn in itself, if someone is 461, that's also usually not going to be a very friendly, best buddy, sex idol combination by default. I mean anything with 4 or 7 gives the false impression of sx instinct and anything to do with 3 gives the false impression of so instinct, and probably 1, 5 and 6 the impression of sp instinct.

[Why overcomplicate things so much? How about: she's a Delta, preaching Delta values to a mostly Delta audience that loves her because she's represents them. The feedback from betas is usually disaffected, yet they insist in cramming her into Beta quadra where she sticks out like a sore thumb and continues rubbing them the wrong way - must be e4 or 'victim' masochism at play here lol

She's EJ in my opinion and also Fe dominant. She can preach about Delta values, she may even believe in what she says, that still doesn't mean she isn't EIE. She rubs me the wrong way, as she does many people from different quadras, because she's plain annoying and way too grandiose and narcissistic. 3w2 US people are pretty annoying in itself Also her enneagram is very unusual for any kind of delta NF, but it fits perfectly with her EIE status and bling bling appetites.

I don't like certain people from all four quadras, so I guess I must be from omega quadra

Victim mechanism? Lol, that's some over-reaching. No, just plain old elitistic disdain, because she's a mother hen to every US hausfrau

We will have to agree to disagree silke, because I don't think we're going to come to any sort of consensus on variants typing . Which is very weird, cause I think we totally agree in basic theory:

I definitely agree with first instinct being overdone (or sometimes it can go in the opposite direction - it's a source of life-time frustration and is thus unbalanced, so people have problems with dealing and controlling it, so they go about it in different way. Sometimes even trying to shut it off, to get a false sense of control over it).

The last instinct is also out of control and unbalanced,. But whereas the first is a source of frustration (and strugle to turn it OFF) you usually don't give a shit about the last one and/or are really bad about it (and struggle to turn it ON). But when it gets out of control and it starts causing you problems, coz you've neglected it for too long, you can start panicking about it (sp last example: you're not taking care about eating healthy, saving up money, perpetual irresponsible child feel to the person, but then when you're being irresponsible for too long, it starts too fuck you up and you start seeing consequences - get sick, end up homeless, end up a drunk or whatever in extreme cases, and then ofc you start ove-rfocusing on it..".I will stop drinking, i will start saving for my future, I will get a job" . You might very well get too rigid about it and follow too strict regimes for awhile. Because it's not something that comes naturally, it's your blind spot, something that you personaly don't pay attention too or give importance to, so you have to purposelessly put your attention on your self-preservence.

[suedehead]

Fi/Te stare.

[Amber]

hot irresistible stare. don't care what type she is anymore lol

[suedehead]

[suedehead]

[suedehead]

Ok, LSI or Gamma SF sx-first.

[Iris]

Not LSI. Not Fe-seeking. SEE seems right.

[aisa]

ridiculously difficult to type, she seems Se-sth, I think she might be SLE

[Olly From Wally World]

At least she's kinda enough to respond to her loving fans.

[lynn]

IEI-Fe

something about her irritates me and causes dislike and i'm not sure what it is. no clue about her e-type.
she reminds me a bit of antonia thomas and rita ora ...

edit:
maybe she's 4w3 sp/so?
the sp-first 4w3s IEIs i know in real life seem to like to convey an image of being 'badass' (and recklessness) in a socially appealing way. so-secondary would be a zone of comfort, making it relatively easy for her to be successful in the social realm. (and not falling into addictive states like sx-secondary)

4w3 ... > "When I was fourteen and first started going out, I always wanted to be the opposite of everyone else. So I would go to the club in a polo T-shirt and pants and sneakers and a hat on backward, just so I would not be dressed like other girls."

[maniac]

IEI? And shes sp/sx or sx/sp

[Beautiful sky]

SEI

[draon9]

Oh well

[Dionysius]

Se-ESI

Introverted, but strong, active and in the moment (Obviously sensory)

Ni is her 3rd function

Fi Base, assertive subtype (Se)

[mclane]

She is SEE-Se. I can say this with 99% confidence.

[Jake]

IEI 9w1 sx/sp

[summerprincess]

INFp of course

Nooooo I really do not think so. ESFp or ESTp

[Jake]

Nooooo I really do not think so. ESFp or ESTp

Mmm I don't know, probably though

[Dionysius]

You guys are terrible at typing... She is totally introvert... obvious sensory... ESI. One easy typing. Strong Se due to subtype.

Interesting to see "Infp of course" (conviction), then "Se Base probably". Wtf... You don't even know what you're talking about..

[The Reality Denialist]

ego type